Mitochondria Repair

[tendency]

Minimal to no solid science behind their claims. We just have basically no studies supporting most of what they say this stuff does. We'll see mechanistic studies in animals held up as a reason (but look at how that turned out for AOD), some reported anecdotes, etc., but most of the effects they talk about are the sort of thing that is very placebo susceptible.

Meanwhile they have significant financial incentive to sell you on the idea this stuff does a lot. Books, affiliations with peptide companies and clinics, etc.

I'd take their claims with a grain of salt.

Yes, agree and this is all mostly accurate, IMO. However, none of this equates to Seeds being a quack.

He's got a very impressive clinical track record and certainly know the peptide field, far better I would hazard, than almost anyone on this site, lol.

Having said that, yes, I've found he misspeaks in his knowledge and sometimes will argue both sides of a subject and he certainly has his agenda - he is in Beverly Hills after all! But, there's also alot of gold in what he says as well. I would not simply dismiss his knowledge base as quackery. That's my .02 cents, anyhow.

 

[desinr-gal]

Minimal to no solid science behind their claims. We just have basically no studies supporting most of what they say this stuff does. We'll see mechanistic studies in animals held up as a reason (but look at how that turned out for AOD), some reported anecdotes, etc., but most of the effects they talk about are the sort of thing that is very placebo susceptible.

Meanwhile they have significant financial incentive to sell you on the idea this stuff does a lot. Books, affiliations with peptide companies and clinics, etc.

I'd take their claims with a grain of salt.

They have their own online shop of these same peptides and other things. They claim these are made in a US Factory!

 

[desinr-gal]

Now I did start out by following their cheat sheet, on my micro-dosing journey. But I had also watched numerous doctors also advocating this, and it has worked. I have been quite happy doing very low doses. But some of the things I have heard them say have caused concern. Hunter has done really clear videos painstakingly explaining things for people and I like that. But JC seems to be "off in the poppies" as my mom would say. And they have both said things that are disparaging toward those who arent physically fit. So that isnt cool.

 

[deleted.user.18]

Jay Campbell’s a marketer with a DO, not a published researcher—lots of hype, little evidence. Dr. Seeds is a legit MD, but his peptide claims run faster than the science. Credentials don’t turn speculation into proof. In the end, it’s a choice: do you want your curiosity tickled, or do you want to stick with verifiable science? I don’t spend my money on whispers and wind, so I personally choose to follow the science best I can. I always start with “Who are they and how do they know what they claim to know?” Plenty of people profit off our hope and bias. If you start chasing “optimization” without a real problem, you’ll always find a predator ready to sell you one. Fear is always over priced.

There nothing wrong with admitting that your bored but curious (like @randompersonrandom kudos) but I always get a little cagey when the journey starts with uncertainty and FOMO. It’s like good’ol Abe Lincoln always told me, “You can’t trust everything you find on the internet.”

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Jay Campbell’s a marketer with a DO, not a published researcher—lots of hype, little evidence. Dr. Seeds is a legit MD, but his peptide claims run faster than the science. Credentials don’t turn speculation into proof. In the end, it’s a choice: do you want your curiosity tickled, or do you want to stick with verifiable science? I don’t spend my money on whispers and wind, so I personally choose to follow the science best I can. I always start with “Who are they and how do they know what they claim to know?” Plenty of people profit off our hope and bias. If you start chasing “optimization” without a real problem, you’ll always find a predator ready to sell you one. Fear is always over priced.

There nothing wrong with admitting that your bored but curious (like @randompersonrandom kudos) but I always get a little cagey when the journey starts with uncertainty and FOMO. It’s like good’ol Abe Lincoln always told me, “You can’t trust everything you find on the internet.”

Well said. I'm more of an Oscar Wilde man myself.

" I can resist anything except temptation "

 

[randompersonrandom]

There nothing wrong with admitting that your bored but curious (like @randompersonrandom kudos) but I always get a little cagey when the journey starts with uncertainty and FOMO.

oh yeah, make no mistake--I am in full blown midlife perimenopausal mid-life crisis freakout. It's low key and low stakes; I'm happily divorced, I never want for a lover or a friend (separately or in the same person), I have a rich, lovely life and nothing that is passing away is the sort of thing that would leave me with regrets. But I am definitely slightly out of my mind right now, walking around in my high school body, looking gorgeous AND older and trying to keep myself from feeling like those are mutually exclusive, grappling with what it means to me be a middle aged woman and living with the intensity of my emotions just turned WAY up.

It's got me slamming random peptides that promise to optimize my mitochondria. I don't actually really believe that's necessary, but it's certainly entertaining. I AM gonna stop after this, though, and go back to just Klow and Tirzepatide. And my tiny dose of Survo. And maybe epitalon. Shut up.

 

[SummerX]

A couple of weeks ago I decided to try out that protocol that SummerX posted. Went to order from Jeep and they were out of NAD+ and MOTS-C. Then I remembered that Mix was running a special on NAD+, but right on queue Ham posted that the stock in their US warehouse ran out. Ah well, I'll be able to get started eventually...

JEEP NAD+500 is in stock and 1000 will be back next week.

They also have MOTS-c 40mg now which is great.

 

[SummerX]

Another common size is 50mg. Uther has it in 30mg and 50mg.

wish there was 100mg.. i just put in an inquiry and request for custom kits of 100mg SS-31 and MOTS-c to my vendors.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

What makes you say this?

Because he's a quack?

His schtick is always all about selling something, and manipulating everything he says and does to ultimately persuade people to buy something. He cherry picks little slivers of positive data to broadcast as immutable fact while ignoring or downplaying the negative - often substantially negative - data just because it helps sell whatever he's pitching that day.

Once self-promotion and profit became more important than medicine, that MD after his name was ultimately more useful to him as a license to say whatever makes him the most money and notoriety than actually helping anyone.

Most physicians start their day hoping what they do has a positive impact on the lives of their patients. Seeds starts his day hoping that what he does has a positive impact on his wallet and fame. Quack quack.

 

[Glowworm]

It is hard to trust someone that just wants to sell you something. My sister-in-law brags about being real life friends with JC for twenty+ years and how his business is so successful. Then in the same breath she berates me for using peptides and never once said wow you look great after losing 60 lbs. I can't help but hold a grudge.

 

[deleted.user.18]

I’m married to a PA who’s spent a decade in the OR, assisting some truly talented surgeons. Her biggest frustration? Many assume that being top of their field in medicine automatically makes them experts in everything else. She’s fact-checked them mid-surgery more than once on outdated or unsupported claims they toss around as gospel. Like literally ivermectin as COVID treatment, and yes even bleach injections (just because your immune system uses hypochlorous acid doesn’t mean injecting diluted bleach does anything but harm- yes, I’m serious this was actual OR discussion as viable and factual)

I’ve got an amazing auto mechanic—brilliant with VW Group cars. But I wouldn’t take his stock picks or medical advice. Expertise doesn’t transfer by ego.

It’s like training dice to roll only threes: after four “failures,” the dice finally land double threes and you declare victory—then start selling your revolutionary dice-training method. That’s quackery in a nutshell.

 

[deleted.user.18]

Apologies @swimmer this thread has really taken a turn off topic!

 

[PopTart]

Seeds starts his day hoping that what he does has a positive impact on his wallet and fame.

I met him when he was in med school - friends were in school with him. He was a flake then and he’s a flake now.

 

[swimmer]

Apologies @swimmer this thread has really taken a turn off topic!

No worries I am enjoying the discussions with my bag of popcorn. Lots of great info as well as entertainment.

 

[CrimsonTaco47]

I feel great on mots-c. Maybe it’s healing all my damaged mitochondria, maybe it’s uppers, idk. But my mom felt like garbage for 2 weeks on it then felt great, research says it’s like a metabolic detox. I’m 35 so maybe I’m metabolically superior . My biggest complaint is that it’s super annoying to have to keep reconstituting new vials when some protocols suggest up to 10mg at a time…I don’t know if I’ve ever seen it sold in a higher amount than 10mg…or at least thats whats most common. It’s so annoying and pricey.

 

[SummerX]

I feel great on mots-c. Maybe it’s healing all my damaged mitochondria, maybe it’s uppers, idk. But my mom felt like garbage for 2 weeks on it then felt great, research says it’s like a metabolic detox. I’m 35 so maybe I’m metabolically superior . My biggest complaint is that it’s super annoying to have to keep reconstituting new vials when some protocols suggest up to 10mg at a time…I don’t know if I’ve ever seen it sold in a higher amount than 10mg…or at least thats whats most common. It’s so annoying and pricey.

I’ve bought 20mg and 40mg kits, but really want 100mg kits.. but my vendor says 50 kits MOQ for 100mg

 

[psycho_driver]

Haha, this thread is great. I was trying to give a diplomatic answer earlier. I like what I'm reading!

Also, Hunter Williams may be knowledgeable but ugh does he sound like a douche canoe.

When he hopped on his wife's stream the other day I figured out what it is that is a bit off-putting about Hunter. I don't think he has an ounce of a sense of humor. He also kinda has dead eyes.

 

[psycho_driver]

Anyone have faith in, or experience with NAD+ patches?

The Mind Pump guys claim they like the patches way more than other methods of delivery, but that was when they had a guest on who sells patches so . . . (I did like that guest, smart guy and he explained some stuff I didn't know about MOTS-C ISRs)

Also the sports performance coach who says "umm" a lot in his interviews but seems to be extremely knowledgeable says to definitely never get NAD+ IVs. He says you're just supercharging any cancer and senescent cells by doing so.

 

[jordekorn]

Another common size is 50mg. Uther has it in 30mg and 50mg.

I actually got 30mg x10 from nexaph for 310$, no shipping cost and came 2 days later. Ss-31

 

[Think]

I actually got 30mg x10 from nexaph for 310$, no shipping cost and came 2 days later. Ss-31

Are you satisfied with the quality?