LEAN bulking phase

[Galapagosfit]

I'm still on a cut and i'm using Reta to make it easy to stick to calories. I trained for many years and now it's time to show results. i'm being close to my goal pourcentage bodyfat now and thinking about the maintenance phase and the period after. My plan was to go between 10-12% and stay there for the summer and then start a lean bulking phase entering october. last year, I made the mistake to go straight to bulking and I just put fat on all winter. ( i didn't knew peptides back then).

I want your opinion on how much time we should be in a maintenance phase to have the best chance of staying lean? How would you approach a lean bulking phase after GLP-1 medication. ? Which peptides are best for lean muscles growth and gym performance? ( I don't want to go on the TRT road...)

 

[PAPoots]

Depending on your age.. Under 40 I'd look at HGH, over 40 TRT.

I'm in the same boat as you, I am working on getting lean by June, then I'll start bulking up around September. The peptides that help grow muscle cost too much for very little gains compared to Test or HGH.

I wouldn't phase out the GLP-1. Most body builders just reduce it so they still have enough hunger to get enough protein in daily but still get the health effects they provide. Maybe look at a microdosing protocol.

 

[5byfive]

Time between phases really doesn't matter. A week or two if fine. What matters is really tracking your calories and keeping the surplus small. Realize you will probably gain at least 3 or 4 lbs when you transition just in refilling the glycogen stores in your muscles and the related water weight. Beyond that, for a lean bulk, you generally want to run somewhere from a 4:1 to 6:1 bulk to cut ratio. Meaning that for every 4-6 weeks you bulk, you want that to be around the amount you can cut in a week at a reasonable deficit.

For example, if you run a 150 cal a day surplus for 4 months. You will put on around 5 lbs. You can easily cut that back down in a month. Doing that you will get slightly leaner every cycle. If you didn't want to get any leaner, you would do more like a 6:1. Don't forget to calculate in the glycogen/water loss/gain whenever you transition.

 

[Galapagosfit]

you generally want to run somewhere from a 4:1 to 6:1 bulk to cut ratio. Meaning that for every 4-6 weeks you bulk, you want that to be around the amount you can cut in a week at a reasonable deficit.

very interesting, never heard of that ratio before but it's really make sense.

 

[bonelifts]

I'm still on a cut and i'm using Reta to make it easy to stick to calories. I trained for many years and now it's time to show results. i'm being close to my goal pourcentage bodyfat now and thinking about the maintenance phase and the period after. My plan was to go between 10-12% and stay there for the summer and then start a lean bulking phase entering october. last year, I made the mistake to go straight to bulking and I just put fat on all winter. ( i didn't knew peptides back then).

I want your opinion on how much time we should be in a maintenance phase to have the best chance of staying lean? How would you approach a lean bulking phase after GLP-1 medication. ? Which peptides are best for lean muscles growth and gym performance? ( I don't want to go on the TRT road...)

How come you don’t want to go the TRT route, just curious? TRT therapy has been amazing for me regarding lean muscle mass retention and growth depending on mix of Reta / Tesa / and Caloric intake. It’s like a trifecta that I don’t know why more are not using it.

 

[PAPoots]

How come you don’t want to go the TRT route, just curious? TRT therapy has been amazing for me regarding lean muscle mass retention and growth depending on mix of Reta / Tesa / and Caloric intake. It’s like a trifecta that I don’t know why more are not using it.

Ditto for me. I'm 55 though. My current stack is 230mg Test, 8mg Reta, 1mg Cagri, 500 mcg BPC 2x daily, and TB 2.5mg Mon and Thur. I started Cagri a few months ago because Reta did nothing for my hunger and taking more only gave me side effects (hiccups that would last almost 24 hours and restless sleep). Once Cagri kicked in I broke the plateau and I'm back to losing a pound or 2+ a week. I just titrated up to the 1mg two weeks ago and I'm planning on backing the Reta down to 6mg to help with the occasional bout of hiccups and help my sleep some more.

 

[Galapagosfit]

How come you don’t want to go the TRT route, just curious? TRT therapy has been amazing for me regarding lean muscle mass retention and growth depending on mix of Reta / Tesa / and Caloric intake. It’s like a trifecta that I don’t know why more are not using it.

Maybe i'm not informed enough on the subject but it's scarying me... I'm 29, in good shape and don't want to mess with my natural production. I dont want to be on a substance all my life. I don't have kids yet and it is one of my goal to have some eventually. Dont want to mess with fertility... i know when i get older i will probably look at that.

 

[Gt3294a]

I'm still on a cut and i'm using Reta to make it easy to stick to calories. I trained for many years and now it's time to show results. i'm being close to my goal pourcentage bodyfat now and thinking about the maintenance phase and the period after. My plan was to go between 10-12% and stay there for the summer and then start a lean bulking phase entering october. last year, I made the mistake to go straight to bulking and I just put fat on all winter. ( i didn't knew peptides back then).

I want your opinion on how much time we should be in a maintenance phase to have the best chance of staying lean? How would you approach a lean bulking phase after GLP-1 medication. ? Which peptides are best for lean muscles growth and gym performance? ( I don't want to go on the TRT road...)

For me, and been at this a long time, there is no time at maintenance or whatever that makes it easier to stay there. Rather, it is solid discipline. But low dose Reta makes it easier. If no trt for you, others will tell you about the peptides to increase test, which seem like the next best alternative for adding muscle assuming all else is dialed in. HGH isn’t going to help at low doses or be that impactful unless your Igf is partiality low already in my opinion.

 

[wildweasel]

I want your opinion on how much time we should be in a maintenance phase to have the best chance of staying lean? How would you approach a lean bulking phase after GLP-1 medication. ? Which peptides are best for lean muscles growth and gym performance? ( I don't want to go on the TRT road...)

- How much time in maintenance after a cut: not really needed honestly. just keep your diet clean and intake calories close to maintenance

- How would you approach a lean bulking phase after GLP-1 medication? Do you know your tdee? personally i do 300 cals over maintencance for lean bulking. theres no trick here, just keep calorie surplus intentional and controlled. Get a food tracking app. measure all food you eat, keep it scientific and you literally have nothing to worry about

Which peptides are best for lean muscles growth and gym performance? - enclomiphene + hgh for testosterone boosting (they double mine when on them, do not suppress natural, only real side effect is minor bloating from aromtization of the extra test your balls are producing). Also HGH is the bees knees, 2-4iu daily should do you right.

 

[Galapagosfit]

- How much time in maintenance after a cut: not really needed honestly. just keep your diet clean and intake calories close to maintenance

- How would you approach a lean bulking phase after GLP-1 medication? Do you know your tdee? personally i do 300 cals over maintencance for lean bulking. theres no trick here, just keep calorie surplus intentional and controlled. Get a food tracking app. measure all food you eat, keep it scientific and you literally have nothing to worry about

Which peptides are best for lean muscles growth and gym performance? - enclomiphene + hgh for testosterone boosting (they double mine when on them, do not suppress natural, only real side effect is minor bloating from aromtization of the extra test your balls are producing). Also HGH is the bees knees, 2-4iu daily should do you right.

I already track my calories for deficit. When achieving my goal bodyfat, I plan to add like 100 daily calories every week to build my metabolism back up. I will watch my weight and evaluate every week if it's too much or too little.

I started cjc-1295/ipamorelin this week to help with recuperation during the cut. I don't know enclomiphene yet. I will do some researchs on it. Thank you all for the good suggestions

 

[d0se1]

Maybe i'm not informed enough on the subject but it's scarying me... I'm 29, in good shape and don't want to mess with my natural production. I dont want to be on a substance all my life. I don't have kids yet and it is one of my goal to have some eventually. Dont want to mess with fertility... i know when i get older i will probably look at that.

At 29, stay away from TRT, It's for life. If you are healthy, your levels should be in the normal range. Now if you decide to venture down another road make sure you do your research first.

 

[mrmors]

Peptides aren't for muscle growth, if you try and use them for that, you're in for a hard long slog. Anabolics, test, and hgh are for that, and a lot of hard work in the gym.

 

[Pin&Play]

At 29, stay away from TRT, It's for life. If you are healthy, your levels should be in the normal range. Now if you decide to venture down another road make sure you do your research first.

Agree. Check your levels first and do what you can to raise that number naturally (you will improve your life 360° anyway)

I'm 36 with high T level naturally and no intention to take the TRT one way route... maybe in 15-20 years, sure

I might consider HGH in a few years. For now, I'm happy with what I can get with just peptides (I'm aware I can't really speed up muscle growth, but being able to keep diet in check and speed up recovery make it much easier)

 

[Song1]

I'd stay away from TRT at 29 with no kids however in my late 40's I had my levels checked and my free T was in the 120's so TRT has been amazing for me and I couldn't care less if I stayed on it for life at least I don't feel exhausted and my trainings through roof as a result - feel 15 years younger, stronger, fitter, more alert. HGH would probably be your best bet with ceratine and weights training, diet - Try and push protien intake as high as you can.