对于那些最终选择从灰色市场购买替泽帕肽的人来说，你们为什么决定走这条路？
是什么让你们最终觉得可以接受，又是什么让你们确信它是安全的？
我只是好奇，因为我偶尔也会有“我该不该这么做”的想法。
是什么让你们最终觉得可以接受，又是什么让你们确信它是安全的？
我只是好奇，因为我偶尔也会有“我该不该这么做”的想法。
对于那些决定从灰色市场购买商品的人，我有一个问题
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哈哈。对我来说，这玩意儿不算贵。我通过Brello买的，15毫克的处方，一个月166美元，我和我女朋友每三个月一共500毫克，因为我们俩一周大概用10毫克。但我想要更多这种神奇的东西（tirzzzzzz），时不时就会有人在tirz的Reddit版块上发帖说“我花了2美元在灰色地带搞到了1000毫克”，然后他们的评论就会被删，账号也会被封一段时间。Need_to_shrink said:
我也想试试。我找到了一些其他的Reddit论坛，然后就来到了这里，从那以后就一直在烦着大家。人生就是这样！！！
吸灰色毒品？老兄，我以前吸过在人行道上捡到的装在小袋子里的可卡因，在锐舞派对上捡到的塑料袋，甚至在停车场雪地里抽过八分之一盎司的冰毒（上辈子的事儿）。
现在我年纪大了，虽然比以往任何时候都更珍惜健康，但往自己身上扎满针头和灰脑袋却轻而易举，真的非常容易。有人曾经说过“抓住它，撕开它”。没错，冲啊！
最便宜的远程医疗治疗方案每月大约200美元。灰色60毫克套装（相当于600毫克）的价格约为200美元，最高剂量15毫克的价格约为每月20美元。团购价格更高，且有独立检测，安全性更高。
Yeah you can test the heck out of it until you’d be comfortable giving it to your own grandma, and still come out way ahead on price.
I was taking prescribed ozempic as it was not too expensive in Australia , at least at the low doses I could tolerate of 0.8mg per week, but even then I was nauseous for a year. After a lot of research and calculations I worked out that swapping to tirzepatide at the calculated equivalent dose of 3-4 mg a week would be a similar price despite each 4 x 15 mg pen costing $790 Aud. Worked great and no nausea but needed higher doses to suppress appetite than I had calculated. Given that I was and still am taking it to make it easier to tolerate a 50% weight loss, and putting that weight back on carried pretty high medical risks, of maybe a few percent chance of death or very serious illness per year, the risk benefit equation is really simple, almost no matter how dangerous grey market tirzepatide is , it is much less dangerous than not taking it, and I could not afford the retail version. And the way the market seems to work, assuming the source has been "crowd tested" on a forum like this, the odds are actually very good of getting what you order, and there is a strong motive to sell good peptides if they want to stay in business. At a guess, going on the number of people on this forum ordering peptides versus the number of known cases where peptides were mislabelled or contaminated, the odds are way less than 1 in a hundred and possibly less than 1 in a thousand.
I have never had name brand. And at those prices, I would've never considered these meds as an option for me. But my health was at crisis mode. Just at the right time, a few people shared how wonderful Tirz is. And a new friend had some from CN that made it affordable. I quickly found out that the info was correct. Tirz is amazing! And Grey Tirz is still Tirz. Testing is how we verify. Safety protocols keep us safe. Yes, there is still risk. Not as risky doing nothing would've been for me. Grey Tirz brought my A1C from 12.4 to 6. I'm down over 50lbs and feel like I've cheated death already. Still a ways to go, but I'm on my way none the lessNeed_to_shrink said:
To be honest. I can’t afford $200 per month. Then I didn’t like the facts that on top of paying a monthly fee, you still had to buy medication out of pocket.
I started looking GLPs up and I saw TikToks about grey market and the rest is history.
I can honestly say that the peptide community (in my experience) has been supportive.
Then I saw that people were buying them, I was in groups where people spoke about what to ask for and what to look for. They had trusted vendors and I skimmed through those. I read through forums and communities. Now I’m just started vetting vendors instead of buying single vials.
I started looking GLPs up and I saw TikToks about grey market and the rest is history.
I can honestly say that the peptide community (in my experience) has been supportive.
Then I saw that people were buying them, I was in groups where people spoke about what to ask for and what to look for. They had trusted vendors and I skimmed through those. I read through forums and communities. Now I’m just started vetting vendors instead of buying single vials.
Agree! Bartended in the (late) '80s....so many things up the nose with no idea.....Gr33dyOctopus said:Lol. Compound is not that expensive for me. Going thru brello, a 15mg script, 166 a month 500 every 3 between me and my girl as we were doing like 10 a week between us. But i wanted more of this miracle substance ( tirzzzzzz) and every so often somebody would co.e on the tirz reddit board and be all " i got 1000mg for 2 dollars on the gray side" then theyd get the comment deleted and banned for awhile.
I wanted in on that. Found some other reddit forums, made my way here, and been bugging the shit out of everyone ever since. Such is life!!!!!
Taking the gray? Man ive done bags of coke ive found in a little.bindle on the sidewalk, baggies off the floor at raves, smoked an 8 ball of meth i found in a parking lot, in the snow in another life.
Now im older, and though i value my health more than ever, sticking myself full of needles and Chinese gray has been easy, like really easy. Someone here once said " grip it and rip it ". Yep, Lets go!
aaaaaa Federal Way! (go Hawks)
I started on real Mounjaro 2.5mg pens, as many do. Then went to a compounder. (Who was probably passing off bac water for tirz) IOW weak shit. Too bad I knew the difference.
I often say each person has their own threshold for safety. I'm not a vet, but worked with livestock to the point where I consider myself just another animal. So don't go by my threshold. Test all you want. Filter and play with the shit till your heart's content. Start with low doses. Y'know what Mom said? "well if Johnny jumps off a cliff, would you?"
Well Mom, if Johnny and several thousand more jump off the cliff, it must be okay.
I often say each person has their own threshold for safety. I'm not a vet, but worked with livestock to the point where I consider myself just another animal. So don't go by my threshold. Test all you want. Filter and play with the shit till your heart's content. Start with low doses. Y'know what Mom said? "well if Johnny jumps off a cliff, would you?"
Well Mom, if Johnny and several thousand more jump off the cliff, it must be okay.
Old fart here: several reasons. I'm overweight, but not so far that getting tirz as a prescription is a given-& when you get to your happy place; they are probably going to cut you off anyway. Been screwed by the outrageous pharm com/pharm benefits manager. If I got an eye drop I needed as pharmaceutical, I paid ~$575. But if I got it as eyelash enhancer at 5X concentration it was only $50.TRUE STORY. later my 0ptometrist told me that if I had just asked for best price, I could have got it for way less. (blame pharm benefits manager). As an old fart, I can tell you our medical system sucks. Finally, I had a friend going gray for tirz losing weight & loving his supplier. Please don't ask for the source. I won't give that out.Need_to_shrink said:
I have hoarding tendencies (I keep it under control) and the thought of losing access to something important to me is frightening to me.
With the legal fight, I was just having to live with too much anxiety about something happening to compound and me not being able to get it without spending all my money on it.
Now, unless someone wins a court battle that allows them to poke through my freezer, I have access for ten years that cannot be taken away from me.
With the legal fight, I was just having to live with too much anxiety about something happening to compound and me not being able to get it without spending all my money on it.
Now, unless someone wins a court battle that allows them to poke through my freezer, I have access for ten years that cannot be taken away from me.
My buddy who is a doctor here in the USA uses a USA compound pharmacy and he is able to get what I need (not just peptides). After researching, I found the pharmacy, which he and other doctors use, has many imported peptides. They buy in bulk and rebrand and I know they weren't making their own GLPs but were still very expensive (half cost). Then I took the dive.
Anger at having to spend $500 a month out of pocket for a drug to treat a legitimate medical issue when my insurance company was already get more than $3000 a month drove me to the grey market. Its not tirz though. I am taking sema and reta currently. I do have a kit of tirz in my freezer though.Need_to_shrink said:
As for why I trust it .. if people were being injured by grey market GLP1s it would be shouted from the mountaintops. But all I have ever heard were whispers of people being successful.
At the end of the day we are trusting someone that we are getting a medication that is going to help us. Does it matter that we are trusting a Chinese business instead of a pharmaceutical corporation?
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THIS!
Obesity kills about 300 thousand Americans every year. Last time I checked there were only about 250 deaths with even the weakest of links associated with GLP1s from any source since the very first one was developed in 2005.
In my case the risks are a fair bit worse than average, long term obesity and ulcerative colitis did some damage before I managed to lose the weight, and a coronary calcium score of 645 at 58 is pretty bad. So if one in a few thousand vials of tirzepatide had cyanide in it I might still be better off taking it . The risks versus benefits are different for everyone, in an ideal world GLP's would be cheap and easily available with medical support and advice (and not too much gatekeeping), but as it is they are not cheap even for those who are not poor and only available to those who are via the grey market. A lot of the newer people on this forum are a bit younger and overweight or mildly obese or are body builders or just trying to be a bit skinnier to look better, and I think the risk equations are quite different if you are younger, less overweight and generally healthier. But even if younger severe obesity has very serious long term health consequences, and the older, more overweight, and more other health problems you develop the closer you get to experiencing those consequences firsthand at the pointy end in an emergency department, and it really is a good idea to prevent them for as long as possible. Getting cancer or having a heart attack or a stroke is really not a fun experience and Glp's make these consequences quite a bit less likely, and using them to manage obesity in the long term before the damage occurs is the ideal outcome. Without Glp medications I would most likely end up regaining weight and have serious risks of between 25 to 40 % over 10 years, with Glp's plus statins etc that goes down to about 10%, I like those odds a lot better, and those risk calculations will vary from person to person but mine are hardly unique.
From my reading of the research the biggest factor in Glp medications being effective or not is staying on them long term if you want to keep the weight off long term. And one of the most common reasons for stopping them is cost and access being limited by insurance etc. Grey peptides are cheap enough for anyone in the western world, even those who are unemployed or pensioners.
Grey peptides do carry extra risks that prescribed ones do not , but the most common and significant ones are dosing errors caused by being unfamiliar with mixing and measuring and knowing that you absolutely must make sure your math is correct on doses. There are quite a few papers and reports of hospital admissions due to these issues, mainly accidental overdoses, but the risks of harm from this are much smaller than the risks of long term health damage from obesity. I have yet to see a case report or paper on someone injured by mislabeled or contaminated peptides, I would be surprised if it had never happened, but it has not happened often enough to end up being written up in a journal, and I have not seen a definite first hand report on this forum either, so it is most likely rare.
From my reading of the research the biggest factor in Glp medications being effective or not is staying on them long term if you want to keep the weight off long term. And one of the most common reasons for stopping them is cost and access being limited by insurance etc. Grey peptides are cheap enough for anyone in the western world, even those who are unemployed or pensioners.
Grey peptides do carry extra risks that prescribed ones do not , but the most common and significant ones are dosing errors caused by being unfamiliar with mixing and measuring and knowing that you absolutely must make sure your math is correct on doses. There are quite a few papers and reports of hospital admissions due to these issues, mainly accidental overdoses, but the risks of harm from this are much smaller than the risks of long term health damage from obesity. I have yet to see a case report or paper on someone injured by mislabeled or contaminated peptides, I would be surprised if it had never happened, but it has not happened often enough to end up being written up in a journal, and I have not seen a definite first hand report on this forum either, so it is most likely rare.
Began on ZB 5/24. After researching for the few months I was on it, I moved to compound due to cost benefits. Following my 1st Compound order, I began researching further, and ended up on this platform and 2 others after lurking for some time. I actually started by lurking on Meso to see what I could find, but didn't join. I read, and read and compared data of the varied experiences posted, studies, etc. Pulled trigger for Grey when I felt confident enough bc I didn't have to inquire on recon, dosing, what to do, what does what, and researched what testing afforded toward my comfort, as well as, discovering most compound places basically purchased their products similarly. I don't post alot compared to others, but I read incessantly. Knowledge is power.
I got prescriped ozempic a couple years ago but couldn't afford it, have been glp- curious for years but assumed it was out of reach for mostly financial reasons, until last summer I had a chance meeting with an old friend who was suddenly thin who told me all about grey Reta and sold me a few vials. I loved the stuff and managed to find my way here and get my own supply. I have been overweight/obese most of my life and done many a diet and yoyo'd between obese and overweight categories but never been a "normal" weight. I had an oopsie baby at 40 during covid and I feel like if I'm going to be an old mom I can't also be the fat mom or there's no way I'd be able to keep up with her and give her the life and mom she deserves. I'm taking the risk on grey I guess, but it feels a lot less risky than continuing to be fat.
I say this with absolutely no evidence behind it, but I'm 99% certain that Lilly et al manufacture brand name Sema, Tirz etc. in China anyway, probably in the same goddamn factory our stuff comes from.
My wife has been in the veterinary field for 20+ years. Sometimes, for our big pups (Great Dane), she'll bring home an actual pharmacy bottle of a medication, since he takes so much, instead of dispensing it. Literally nothing is made anywhere but China or India.
I think big Pharma has done an excellent job fear mongering the notion of buying grey or generic, to the point that millions of us just buy into their bullshit and never question it. If grey was hurting anyone, it would be front page, top hit news for weeks, because BP can afford to keep it there.
My wife has been in the veterinary field for 20+ years. Sometimes, for our big pups (Great Dane), she'll bring home an actual pharmacy bottle of a medication, since he takes so much, instead of dispensing it. Literally nothing is made anywhere but China or India.
I think big Pharma has done an excellent job fear mongering the notion of buying grey or generic, to the point that millions of us just buy into their bullshit and never question it. If grey was hurting anyone, it would be front page, top hit news for weeks, because BP can afford to keep it there.
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