对于那些决定从灰色市场购买商品的人，我有一个问题

[Retazempic]

I felt comfortable taking my risk with grey after a convo with my doc. I asked about trying a peptide. I told him I was looking at a specific company (that turns out to be a US domestic re-seller). He told me he had not purchased or prescribed the peptide, and can’t recommend any source, but he said that he had a patient who used that particular source was reporting good results. After researching, I realised that the company was just re- selling from CN, so I decided to cut out the middleman.

 

[Sasquatch]

I say this with absolutely no evidence behind it, but I'm 99% certain that Lilly et al manufacture brand name Sema, Tirz etc. in China anyway, probably in the same goddamn factory our stuff comes from.

My wife has been in the veterinary field for 20+ years. Sometimes, for our big pups (Great Dane), she'll bring home an actual pharmacy bottle of a medication, since he takes so much, instead of dispensing it. Literally nothing is made anywhere but China or India.

I think big Pharma has done an excellent job fear mongering the notion of buying grey or generic, to the point that millions of us just buy into their bullshit and never question it. If grey was hurting anyone, it would be front page, top hit news for weeks, because BP can afford to keep it there.

It would stand to reason Big Pharma would outsource to China. More profit. Period.

 

[Coulter1966]

Name brand drugs from pharmacies are often on the recall list. Some drugs are prescribed using a formula based on patient's weight and may or may not be an accurate dosage. I'm thinking a risk is a risk is a risk. The potential risk of name brand and gray exists either way with gray possibly a little higher due to the potential additives used for "pucking".

 

[ronin365]

Autonomy and cost are big drivers for me. I do not trust the medical/pharma complex. I’m annoyed by the gatekeeping, groupthink, excessive costs, and depending on uninformed doctors who are a hindrance, not a help for things I can handle myself.

 

[Bball24]

I say this with absolutely no evidence behind it, but I'm 99% certain that Lilly et al manufacture brand name Sema, Tirz etc. in China anyway, probably in the same goddamn factory our stuff comes from.

My wife has been in the veterinary field for 20+ years. Sometimes, for our big pups (Great Dane), she'll bring home an actual pharmacy bottle of a medication, since he takes so much, instead of dispensing it. Literally nothing is made anywhere but China or India.

I think big Pharma has done an excellent job fear mongering the notion of buying grey or generic, to the point that millions of us just buy into their bullshit and never question it. If grey was hurting anyone, it would be front page, top hit news for weeks, because BP can afford to keep it there.

Well said!

Big Pharma is only out for the $$. The best way to make more $$ is to scare everyone into buying more from them.

 

[Sasquatch]

I read through this thread again. If there's a risk, it resides upon the individual. Between, cryto, reconning, dosing, and possibly sterility. If there's a place to fuck up, the likelihood resides with you.

(Doesn't all this shit have a some sort of label that reads," do not use." ?)

 

[Zydeceltico]

For those of you that ended up going gray market for tirzepatide, why did you decide to go this route?

What did it take to get you to the point where you were comfortable with it and what convinced you of the safety of it?

I’m just curious, as every now and again I have my moments of “should I do this “.

Eli Lilly Recall

Novo Nordisk Recall

nobody's perfect and some charge an astronomical amount of money for one to realize and accept this truth.

 

[Retazempic]

Name brand drugs from pharmacies are often on the recall list. Some drugs are prescribed using a formula based on patient's weight and may or may not be an accurate dosage. I'm thinking a risk is a risk is a risk. The potential risk of name brand and gray exists either way with gray possibly a little higher due to the potential additives used for "pucking".

To your point about risk, I think most ppl erroneously think buying from pharma is zero risk. Specifically when it comes to mass, purity, sterility, etc.

 

[miss-sanne]

Hmm.... I just got really tired of paying $600 for the Mounjaro pen 15 mg.

I researched for months, I found fellow danes to talk to, who already went grey.

I found, what I believe, was some trustworthy vendors.

After first pin, no looking back.

Will I ever tell anyone, my family, my friends, my co'workers (medicial doctors) ? NO , I'm not stupid. I like to keep my license.

Do I keep the prescription I made for myself for Mounjaro ? Yes. I believe it's a good idea.

 

[94brian49]

For those of you that ended up going gray market for tirzepatide, why did you decide to go this route?

What did it take to get you to the point where you were comfortable with it and what convinced you of the safety of it?

I’m just curious, as every now and again I have my moments of “should I do this “.

$$$$$ and Availability.

Even if 'legit' branded source somehow are as cheap as grey, i would still stock up grey. Reason being you don't know how greedy big pharma is, one day they could just cut supply with no good reason and hanging you dry.

Risk? Third party testing mitigate MOST of the risks, follow by filtering etc is safe enough for me

 

[ThatNextGril]

我有囤积癖（但我能控制住），想到可能会失去对我来说重要的东西，我就感到害怕。

打官司的时候，我一直生活在焦虑之中，担心事情会越闹越大，最后我可能不得不花光所有积蓄才能得到它。

现在，除非有人打赢官司，允许他们打开我的冰箱，否则我十年内都无法再动用这些东西了。

我一般不囤积东西，但我确实会囤一些特别喜欢的东西，以防停产。（举个例子，大概12年前我在奥特莱斯买了一双耐克运动鞋。它们简直是我穿过最合脚的鞋——我可以穿着它们走一整天，走好几英里，就算不穿袜子，脚也不会起水泡或磨破。我在网上搜遍了所有能找到的，买了剩下的6双。现在还有两双，但穿坏了之后我会非常舍不得它们。）话

虽如此，我现在无法想象没有GLP-1药物的生活，特别是目前服用的替拉唑，它能抑制我的食欲。我一直都备着大号的衣服，“以防”以后体重增加需要它们。毕竟，以前每次瘦一两个尺码的时候，都会发生这种情况。我必须不断提醒自己，以后不必再这样了，我真的可以把衣柜清理干净。我使用 TIRZ 已经超过 5 年了，但我仍然打算至少再买 3 套，这样才感觉有比较好的保障。

 

[Calm Logic]

我无法耐受高剂量的GLP类药物，但如果我能耐受的话，我肯定会囤积更多T100和R100的GB（英国药品代码）。最近T100总是有GB，我相信R100迟早也会有GB。

我每周服用不到5毫克的替拉唑就能维持体重，但我可能还需要减掉30磅。

现在，即使是治疗一些常见疾病的口服药物，如果每月收入不到1000美元或2000美元，大型制药公司都会觉得亏大了。所以，他们、保险公司和联邦政府都该死。

 

[LabRatts]

Not for nothing, but every Ibuprofin/aspirin/NSAID anyone has taken this century was likely made in China/India by the same labor and infrastructure that are producing peps. Covid really opened a lot of folks eyes with regards to safety/efficacy/gatekeeping/censorship/control (etc/etc/etc). I'm freaking thrilled to have been clued into peps in general and even more stoked to have stumbled upon this amazing forum. Kudos to those who have kept me entertained and informed while I am enjoying reading old posts during my getting up to speed on becoming "Gary the Gray" and furthering the wife and I's journey into enhanced wellness.

 

[BH_LOVER]

Money is my motivation. And not wanting to spend more of it than I have to

 

[mlke6]

I've been keeping clothes in larger sizes "in case" I gain weight and need them again.

I'm still wearing my larger clothes! I did have to invest in new belts. Jeans are so pricey and the thought of just replacing them I can't stand. Usually they would already be trashed but since my thighs have no chance of rubbing anymore they are lasting longer than three months.... Wow. Just realized my current jeans have lasted over a year. Haven't had that happen in a long time.

 

[Summer48]

Started Mounjaro feb25 went from 2.5mg all the way up to 15mg before anything hit in. Cost wasn’t too bad I’m retired and just had to cut down on buying stuff. Then September cost more than doubled and I knew I was out of the game so searched for ways to buy at cheaper prices and landed in this forum ( soooo very happy I did) and I’ve probably already bought quite a few years worth of a few things. Haven’t used any yet as I had stock piled the mj pens when I was aware prices were going up so I easily have over a years worth of pens but grandson started a little after me so will pass them onto him and I will started the other stuff next month. Yes of course I was a little concerned about the grey stuff but I’m 79 and maybe just maybe I will get to live a lot longer using peptides or just maybe they will get to end my life sooner than expected but I’ve got this far and so far so good. Also I know I’m on them until I take my last breath or they lock me up so I can’t get to them

 

[Need_to_shrink]

All great replies here! Thank you all for sharing your experiences and your thoughts on going Grey. I’m learning a ton from you all. I started my first shot last night, today. I plan on going online and buying quite a bit more this week.

 

[Ruckus4519]

Still on the research phase, but this feels like the only option I have, given constraints. I wanted enough to wean off if it ever comes to that.

Never been on GLP meds. Chose tirz specifically because it seemed a step above sema, but having still gone through more testing than reta. Bonus is the resiliency of the peptide itself during storage.

I’ve seen a lot of claims that it prevents a lot of death, but quality of life throughout matters too. And there’s a lot of fatphobia in medicine that presenting with any sort of symptoms, the number one advice would’ve been to lose weight anyway.

 

[WeezinDaJuice]

Anger at having to spend $500 a month out of pocket for a drug to treat a legitimate medical issue when my insurance company was already get more than $3000 a month drove me to the grey market. Its not tirz though. I am taking sema and reta currently. I do have a kit of tirz in my freezer though.

As for why I trust it .. if people were being injured by grey market GLP1s it would be shouted from the mountaintops. But all I have ever heard were whispers of people being successful.

At the end of the day we are trusting someone that we are getting a medication that is going to help us. Does it matter that we are trusting a Chinese business instead of a pharmaceutical corporation?

That freezer of yours must be a whopper!

 

[m100568]

For those of you that ended up going gray market for tirzepatide, why did you decide to go this route?

What did it take to get you to the point where you were comfortable with it and what convinced you of the safety of it?

I’m just curious, as every now and again I have my moments of “should I do this “.

I can afford name brand. I realize that I am fortunate that way. I just don't enjoy being raped by big pharma.

It took me a month or so to research the grey market to feel comfortable with it. I am also fortunate enough that I can afford to do 3rd party testing myself. I don't have to guess what I'm getting. I know.

I understand that other people may not be in the financial position to test their own. If that were me I would still go grey, but I would do group buys.

The other consideration is that the grey market opened up a whole world of peptides that I never would have considered before. I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing. I think I've replaced an eating disorder with a peptide disorder.