Congress introduce bill to restrict manufacture of GLP1s.

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PAPoots said:
I also like vendors that post COAs like Uther. It justifies paying a little extra. If lns price list is in our vendors channel. I'll add them to my list.
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There are lots of good Jano test results on their telegram channel including the R30. That being said you know these coas and tests can be faked. Everyone has their own level of tolerable risk.

(Sorry about hijacking this thread)
 
RuggerPanda said:
I always feel more comfortable when I have a stockpile of peptides but so far seems that there has been more competition recently and the price of most peptides have dropped considerable the past 3-4 months. I just paid 40% less than I did for Reta just 3 months ago. So many packages crossing the border every day it's hard for customs to take a dent out of it and still not the drugs they are most focused on.
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When SRY and SSA disappeared, prices went up. I haven't checked prices in the last month or two, but it would be nice if they're heading down. I believe that peptides will continue to go down in price as the manufacturers get more experience making them. Semaglutide is dirt cheap and tirzepatide has fallen a great deal over the last year and a half. Of course there will always be new stuff; that will be comparatively expensive. However, the way semi-free markets work is that the more folks buying the stuff, the more people learn to manufacture stuff inexpensively. Then prices drop for everything.
 
swimmer said:
There are lots of good Jano test results on their telegram channel including the R30. That being said you know these coas and tests can be faked. Everyone has their own level of tolerable risk.

Although it's still fairly common to submit a forged COA, the much bigger risk is that the vendor just sends in a vial from a different batch to be tested. The testing companies openly admit they will print out a few COAs with the names of different companies on them if they are paid to do so and it is represented to them that the batch will be split among the named companies. I have a great deal of trust in Janoshik and Peptide Test. The limitations involved with them are things that they openly admit. Neither will ever promise that your peptides are "safe." There may be other testing companies that can be trusted - but I believe Janoshik (Peter Magic) when he says that he thinks most testing companies are garbage. I did note that when Janoshik was asked about Peptide Test he did say something along the lines of he thinks they're probably legit. Sometimes a sample tested by both will yield different results. However, when asked they each provide technical explanations that don't attack the overall reliability of the other's lab.

(Sorry about hijacking this thread)
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PAPoots said:
That's an old list. I don't think I'd trust prices on a list over a month old. Is that vendor in the glp1 list of vendors?

I think a competent vendor would post their prices monthly. Even if all they do is change the date and repost.

I usually wait to order until I have enough in my cart to get free shipping. The last two vendor I went through, I lost out on free shipping because their price list was out of date and they were out of stock.
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Contact them and ask for an updated list. Their prices don't change that much, probably because they're already so low. I've placed several orders with them, shipping was good and packaging was great.
 
Calm Logic said:
There is nothing novel at all about the FDA (and DEA and IRS) winning federal criminal cases over peptide distribution and related crimes like money laundering.

It is uncommon though, especially relative to the large number of distributors/vendors openly advertising on search engines and social platforms.

And I agree they went for the lowest hanging fruit this time. So maybe less wrist slapping this time regarding probation time, etc. But the fines are often/usually huge.
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Do you have any examples of companies being prosecuted that were selling peptides 'for research only'. I think the ones that have been were selling them explicitly for human consumption or had other signs on their website that it was intended for human consumption if not stated explicitly. The novel legal theory here is saying that "the FDA believes that they were new unapproved drugs". In the United States if a substance isn't explicitly illegal or regulated it is defacto legal. Now selling it for human consumption is a totally different ball of wax. I also don't see why the DEA would be involved at all if it's not a controlled substance or has never even been approved as a drug.

There's a reason this is called 'the gray' and not 'the black'
 
fittide said:
Do you have any examples of companies being prosecuted that were selling peptides 'for research only'
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Yes:

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2013/04/01/illinois-man-charged-pennsylvania-illegally-distributing-peptides

Anyone else receive a Notice of Seizure via certified mail?

Hi, what did customs identify your peptides as? It should be on the previous page I think. I had retatrutide seized end of March in Chicago but just got a letter this week through normal mail. They identified the 600 mg of Retatrutide as over 200 grams of HGH with a value over $6,300 USD. They...

glp1forum.com

There are more examples by asking AI. To the FDA, "research use only" is a red flag when it comes to GLPs and other popular peptides like BPC and tesa.
 
Like others have said, this is mostly going affect vial resellers and compounders.
 
keangkong said:
When SRY and SSA disappeared, prices went up. I haven't checked prices in the last month or two, but it would be nice if they're heading down. I believe that peptides will continue to go down in price as the manufacturers get more experience making them. Semaglutide is dirt cheap and tirzepatide has fallen a great deal over the last year and a half. Of course there will always be new stuff; that will be comparatively expensive. However, the way semi-free markets work is that the more folks buying the stuff, the more people learn to manufacture stuff inexpensively. Then prices drop for everything.
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prices dropping pretty rapidly last month or so.

lowest price Ive seen on R30 is 150$~, but its a newer vendor. waiting on a couple friends test driving it before I leap, but enough vendors are sub200$ for that kit that Id believe our little blip in the radar is over and market is stabilizing again.
 
PAPoots said:
Damn, I might have to start hoarding earlier. We need to get RFK hooked on some gray. He definitely needs some Glow or Klow. He looks way older than his age
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Have you seen his abs though?
 
Calm Logic said:
Yes, at PWGrove for $205 plus $15 flat shipping. It will be in small 3 mL vials like everything else.
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Looks like they got nuked again on teleg and I can’t find the group. The back up group is there but won’t let anyone post.

Calm Logic said:
Yes, at PWGrove for $205 plus $15 flat shipping. It will be in small 3 mL vials like everything else.
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JGinTexas said:
Looks like they got nuked again on teleg and I can’t find the group. The back up group is there but won’t let anyone post.
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Right. They are still operating as far as shipping. I won't be mentioning them again since they seem targeted and need to lay low anyway. That particular deal was a traditional/slow GB anyway.
 
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I just got some on a group buy for $150 plus some additional testing fees. Though I do not recommend the vendor we got it from. I have seen it less than $200 in other group buys.
 
Calm Logic said:
Right. They are still operating as far as shipping. But no way to take orders that I know of. They seem
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PAPoots said:
I also like vendors that post COAs like Uther. It justifies paying a little extra. If lns price list is in our vendors channel. I'll add them to my list.
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Uther seems to be, at least for the moment, a good quality vendor. Course that could all change. They have quality products.
 
For Uther tirz, see UtherPep for T60 at $180 shipped, crypto only.

For Uther reta or non-crypto options, there are resellers on TG cheaper than Uther's retail prices, but they are mostly slow/traditonal GBs and you need to ask around in DMs on TG for invites. So it takes a lot of time from invite to waiting for a GB to open/close, to the product shipping from China to the reseller, etc.
 
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