Blood glucose high on these specific peps?

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So I started my stack yesterday, & from all the research I've done, none of these peptides are supposed to affect blood sugar levels, but mine's been in the high 200's all day today, which is very out of the ordinary for me. My usual levels are 70-150 ish. Here's what I'm taking:

Reta

GHK-CU

BPC-157 + TB

5 Amino 1Q

Mots-C

Aod 9604

Tesamorelin

If you've experienced a rise in glucose on any of these, which one was it & did it subside or did you completely stop use?
 
derekd419 said:
So I started my stack yesterday, & from all the research I've done, none of these peptides are supposed to affect blood sugar levels, but mine's been in the high 200's all day today, which is very out of the ordinary for me. My usual levels are 70-150 ish. Here's what I'm taking:

Reta

GHK-CU

BPC-157 + TB

5 Amino 1Q

Mots-C

Aod 9604

Tesamorelin

If you've experienced a rise in glucose on any of these, which one was it & did it subside or did you completely stop use?
A thought..... Tesamorelin can raise glucose via GH induced insulin resistance, even though a lot of the others in your stack shouldn’t. Going from 70–150 to 200s is a pretty big shift. Did you happen to check baseline labs like fasting glucose, insulin, or even IGF1 before starting? Might be worth pulling one variable (especially Tesamorelin) to see if things normalize
 
Jfrick11 said:
A thought..... Tesamorelin can raise glucose via GH induced insulin resistance, even though a lot of the others in your stack shouldn’t. Going from 70–150 to 200s is a pretty big shift. Did you happen to check baseline labs like fasting glucose, insulin, or even IGF1 before starting? Might be worth pulling one variable (especially Tesamorelin) to see if things normalize
That may be the culprit! Perhaps I can reduce my dose by ½ & see how that goes before just completely cutting it out. If it's going to cause insulin resistance though, I can't do that. Thanks for the reply!
 
You have to mention your body stats, your diabetes-A1C, your diet, etc., in order for all of us to get a better idea.
 
derekd419 said:
So I started my stack yesterday, & from all the research I've done, none of these peptides are supposed to affect blood sugar levels, but mine's been in the high 200's all day today, which is very out of the ordinary for me. My usual levels are 70-150 ish. Here's what I'm taking:

Reta

GHK-CU

BPC-157 + TB

5 Amino 1Q

Mots-C

Aod 9604

Tesamorelin

If you've experienced a rise in glucose on any of these, which one was it & did it subside or did you completely stop use?
Following because I have always been curious if some tesa users have to take Reta, bellermine, or metaformin as if they were taking high HGH doses.
 
derekd419 said:
That may be the culprit! Perhaps I can reduce my dose by ½ & see how that goes before just completely cutting it out. If it's going to cause insulin resistance though, I can't do that. Thanks for the reply!
You do you..... but if IGF1 is already elevated, adding something like Tesamorelin can push that pathway further and increase the risk of glucose dysregulation. Seeing numbers in the 200s isn’t a great place to be experimenting with dose adjustments. 😬

And I'm not clear if you had baseline labs, but if not, I’d probably hold, let things normalize, and then reassess with proper labs before deciding whether it makes sense to go down that road.
 
Dude, that's a ton of stuff to add at once, and I'd certainly want baseline labs to track effects, especially for the GH stuff, but even general CMP, etc, given how much you have going on there. I'd start small, who knows what the hell any of that is doing when you lump it all together.
 
So one dose of tesa is the culprit? Seems highly unlikely. You would have to be taking hgh longer to see sugar numbers affected, and tesa gh pulse is milder. Longer term the Reta should moderate any gh or gh secretagogue sugar impact. Seems like something else is going on.
 
latviantower said:
So one dose of tesa is the culprit? Seems highly unlikely. You would have to be taking hgh longer to see sugar numbers affected, and tesa gh pulse is milder. Longer term the Reta should moderate any gh or gh secretagogue sugar impact. Seems like something else is going on.
Realize in a prior thread that the OP said he is Type 1.
 
For me tesa is a no go. Even 10 years younger hgh raised my glucose and a1c.... 3 weeks of tesa and my glucose was 130 and a1c 6.... came off and i still am at 100-105 glucose, ive been borderline prediabetic last 5 years so tesa or any gh secretogue i wont do anymore.
 
yrrdead said:
Realize in a prior thread that the OP said he is Type 1.
I was trying to work out how you could be in definite diabetes territory with blood sugars above 11 or 200 depending on what units you use.

Using GLP's in type 1 diabetes is a long way from mainstream accepted therapy at this point, although there are several studies suggesting it might be useful and not too dangerous.

I do not know if you are really hitting yourself with that many new peptides at once, or if you were already on most of them, but starting multiple peptides at the same time makes it very hard to work out what is causing what if you get side effects, and in the context of type 1 diabetes , fairly extreme care really is a good idea, one at a time with careful monitoring.

I am also not aware of studies of reta in type 1, I just checked google scholar and found nothing at all. I know sema and tirz have been studied but reta has glucagon, and it could behave differently in low insulin states, as opposed to high insulin and insulin resistant states as would be seen in type 2 diabetes or obesity. So given what you are seeing it is possible the high sugars are from reta, or from reta plus tesamorelin, or from tesamorelin alone, but it seems pretty high for just tesamorelin.

You do realise I hope , that you are at risk of diabetic ketoacidosis at those sugar levels, and GLP drugs do make that more likely, and more dangerous, so assuming you have checked for ketones and do not have it , you will still need to closely monitor sugars and ketones and adjust insulin doses, and due to the long half life , even if you stop it , effects could last a couple of weeks.

Is your diabetes being managed by an endocrinologist? Who you can tell you were taking reta and tesa??? That would likely be the best solution, but it seems you are in the US, where telling your doctor things gets held against you. Obviously if you do start getting into ketosis, you will not get a choice and will need treatment and the doctors will need to know what is going on for your safety. Making them try to treat you in the dark, without that information would be dangerous.

I think from what I can tell, is you need to stop all of them, and closely monitor sugars and ketones. And I think reta is definitely not safe in type 1 diabetes at this point , as there is no research I can find on this combination and the glucagon agonism is important and different to the other GLP's in the context of type 1 diabetes, as I am not sure anyone knows what it will do.

Once the drugs get out of your system in a few weeks, it might be time to think about it. I really cannot recommend anything other than getting expert endocrinologist advice, and my guess is they are likely to be uncomfortable with you on any GLP. If you must take a GLP and without expert advice, and I have no knowledge as to why you are taking them, then semaglutide or tirzepatide are safer choices , in that at least there is some research on using them in type 1 diabetes, but I would not call them safe choices, and you would need to read and understand all the papers on the subject before considering it, and if this is not practical then using them is just too risky. And obviously only one peptide at a time, I would not even consider adding other peptides unless the dose and blood sugars were stable for a month or so first.

Please note , I am not an endocrinologist or a currently practicing doctor, and not particularly knowledgeable about type 1 diabetes. I may be over reacting , but I do consider your situation potentially dangerous based on limited information, and your best option is expert real medical advice.
 
yrrdead said:
Realize in a prior thread that the OP said he is Type 1.
Oh shoot I totally missed that. I wouldn’t be messing with any GLP’s, especially reta, without a broad minded and hyper vigilant endocrinologist supervising.
 
Wait. You started this combination all at the same time? You didn't start with one and build from there, layering in one at a time?

It's a crapshoot now, friend.

This isn't a contest of who can stack the most (or whatever one's competitive get may be). This is a health game. Play accordingly.

As a T1, I wouldn't proceed without medical guidance from my physician overseeing my care. Telehealth medicine doesn't count in this situ.
 
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