Best stack for athletic performance? Reta + what?

[gimmeshelter]

I just wanted to chime in on clen - it has it's place. If you are already low bodyfat and on a deficit, it will preserve some muscle and make the cut more efficient. Low doses of 30 or 40 mcg aren't that bad and the sides are doable. I wouldn't go over 80mcg ever, and don't run it longer than 2 weeks. Tons of people have taken clen with no problems, just have to be careful. Don't take it if you have neurological or cardiac issues. The studies that showed heart apoptis were rodents receiving massive doses. I've had a bottle of 100 30mcg tabs for over 2 years and it's only like half gone.

ok so u have the tablets not the vials . thanks

 

[Smiter]

ok so u have the tablets not the vials . thanks

Clen comes in the oral form.

I just wanted to chime in on clen - it has it's place. If you are already low bodyfat and on a deficit, it will preserve some muscle and make the cut more efficient. Low doses of 30 or 40 mcg aren't that bad and the sides are doable. I wouldn't go over 80mcg ever, and don't run it longer than 2 weeks. Tons of people have taken clen with no problems, just have to be careful. Don't take it if you have neurological or cardiac issues. The studies that showed heart apoptis were rodents receiving massive doses. I've had a bottle of 100 30mcg tabs for over 2 years and it's only like half gone.

Same. I keep it at 20mcg, and have rarely taken the full 40mcg tablet. Never had issues.

 

[birdwhacker]

Not a peptide but look into bromantane. Great for endurance work. Lowers perceived effort, no jitters or crash. But cant compete in wada tested events.

Reading this literally makes me angry... As memantine fan, I have been wanting to try bromantane for something like 5 years and STILL haven't gotten around to it! Do you mind dropping your source?

As for the OP, still trying to figure it out. MotsC helps a little bit. Anxious to try SS31, have some coming from overseas.

I wish this stuff wasn't so expensive, would really like to try 5AM or SLUPP and a billion others.

I just got a sample of DSIP and I suspect that's going to be helpful, it's been incredible the last two nights, I recommend starting at 300-500mcg immediately before sleeping.

TMG has helped my energy a lot, fish oil helps a bit too I think but it's hard to pinpoint. Since I have methylation issues I want to add in methylfolate and methyl b12 to help support my methylation pathways for NAD injections. If you're an overmethylator, NAD might be beneficial for you. For me, it just burns my methyl groups similarly to flush niacin.

 

[gusterbuster]

I've gotten bromantane from MA Research and Khimera Chems

 

[birdwhacker]

I've gotten bromantane from MA Research and Khimera Chems

Man those websites look grimy. Love it. Reminds me of the good old days when I didn't use RCs for health and wellness.

What other kinda nasty do you buy off of there bro? Anything I can't live without?

 

[gusterbuster]

Man those websites look grimy. Love it. Reminds me of the good old days when I didn't use RCs for health and wellness.

What other kinda nasty do you buy off of there bro? Anything I can't live without?

Haha, also got cardarine, and the telmisartan/nebivolol for a blast.

Man cardarine and bromantane combo is awesome as a mountain biker. First ride of the season today and hit multiple PRs.

 

[birdwhacker]

Haha, also got cardarine, and the telmisartan/nebivolol for a blast.

Man cardarine and bromantane combo is awesome as a mountain biker. First ride of the season today and hit multiple PRs.

Holy hell man. How often do you run the cardarine?! The cancer risk sounds hilariously bad. I can imagine you're a super soldier on the trails

I'm just running reta and playing around with some other stuff right now, but I need something to tackle energy issues during cardio and bromantane sounds great for that. Does it keep you up at night? Can you compare it to ephedrine/caffeine/amphetamines/modafinil?

Nebivolol, why's that your go to? I have some heart issues that require that I take magnesium religiously, and I added in tdalafil to counter some mild hypertension and circulation issues stemming from stimulant abuse. I was considering adding something like atenolol back into the mix, since it looks like I'm going to live long enough for it to become a problem down the line.

How does telmisartan work for you? Are the two put together just a standard protocol in your line of work to counter BP spikes from gear?

 

[MFGamesta]

For "Increased athletic outputs" at the gym, I use beta-alanine. Also use when dirt biking and mountain biking. I used to take it separate but now just use Transparent Labs Bulk as it has other stuff in it too. beta-alanine is supposed to a buffer against lactic acid during high-entisity exercise. Mostly bursts like weight lifting or interval type training.

 

[gusterbuster]

Holy hell man. How often do you run the cardarine?! The cancer risk sounds hilariously bad. I can imagine you're a super soldier on the trails

I'm just running reta and playing around with some other stuff right now, but I need something to tackle energy issues during cardio and bromantane sounds great for that. Does it keep you up at night? Can you compare it to ephedrine/caffeine/amphetamines/modafinil?

Nebivolol, why's that your go to? I have some heart issues that require that I take magnesium religiously, and I added in tdalafil to counter some mild hypertension and circulation issues stemming from stimulant abuse. I was considering adding something like atenolol back into the mix, since it looks like I'm going to live long enough for it to become a problem down the line.

How does telmisartan work for you? Are the two put together just a standard protocol in your line of work to counter BP spikes from gear?

A lot of people in the PED community view Cardarine if ran at 10mg daily, relatively safe. The study that showed cancer, was set up to fail. I believe the cliff notes are, they gave rats that are prone to cancer something like 15x the human dose to a 1kg rat and oh no they got cancer and died a few months early. Cardarine is also great for keeping lipids in check when using orals.

Nebivolol is a selective beta blocker up to 10mg. The combo of Nebivolol and Telmisartan is considered the most cardio protective when using gear. Specifically for left ventricular hypertrophy.

I'm a high mileage veteran who is missing a ligament in one knee, multiple injuries, got asthma from some kind of exposure, and thyroid shit out making me weak. Woke up one day and chose violence. Lost 40lbs, then put on 18lbs lean mass verified by dexa.

Current stack is reta, KLOW, 3IU HGH, 200mg test, 70mg tren, cardarine, with bromantane twice a week before cardio. Tren dose is because I wanted to see the hype about low dose tren on a cut. Tren did bump BP so on 40mg telmisartan and 5mg nebivolol.

For Bromantane, it has a slow onset so need to take it like 1.5 hours pre workout. Didnt notice any effect on sleep, but I have shit sleep.

 

[Chucky]

if elevated HR is not an issue, clen, cialis, ephedra are great for aerobic endurance. And track and pursue SLU-PP-915... Thank me later.

First time I've heard of 915 and researching online between that and 332, I'm going to have to go through vendors and see if any have it in stock to try. I'm on my 6 week cycle of SS31, but wonder if taking it in conjunction with SS31 would be overkill considering I take mots-c inbetween.

 

[Shutterdrive]

I am an active middle aged man (lifting 3-4 days a week, track foods, Road Bike 70 miles a week, 7-9k steps daily) and I am currently on reta, today is week 5. Since I have been " researching " what might pair best w Reta. I was thinking CJC/IPA but also considering MOTS. The article I just linked did not included MOTS which surprised me.

What have you found increases athletic outputs? For me , I would love increased endurance on my road bike and in the gym. MOTS seems to fit the bill and it is not too expensive.

What do you all think? Thanks !

Definitely MotsC for energy. Take it 30 minutes before workouts or high endurance training. At night I take tb500 bpc 157 kpv and ghkCu for recovery, inflammation, repair and immune system boost.

 

[dancs]

Reading this literally makes me angry... As memantine fan, I have been wanting to try bromantane for something like 5 years and STILL haven't gotten around to it! Do you mind dropping your source?

As for the OP, still trying to figure it out. MotsC helps a little bit. Anxious to try SS31, have some coming from overseas.

I wish this stuff wasn't so expensive, would really like to try 5AM or SLUPP and a billion others.

I just got a sample of DSIP and I suspect that's going to be helpful, it's been incredible the last two nights, I recommend starting at 300-500mcg immediately before sleeping.

TMG has helped my energy a lot, fish oil helps a bit too I think but it's hard to pinpoint. Since I have methylation issues I want to add in methylfolate and methyl b12 to help support my methylation pathways for NAD injections. If you're an overmethylator, NAD might be beneficial for you. For me, it just burns my methyl groups similarly to flush niacin.

SS-31 is supposed to be pinned first for 30ish days before pinning MOTS-c. I don't remember how it goes but you do your own research dammit.

I did 500mcg of DSIP and it did nothing for me....

What's TMG? The Mass Geometry?

5AM I haven't done yet, but SLU definitely works but my tolerance for it got stronger each week, had to titrate up considerably (pill form not injection). If you get the pills, I recommend the SLU/BAM15 stack! Probably more of a placebo rather than actual "exercise in a pill", but I felt like it made a difference.

 

[gusterbuster]

SS-31 is supposed to be pinned first for 30ish days before pinning MOTS-c. I don't remember how it goes but you do your own research dammit.

I did 500mcg of DSIP and it did nothing for me....

What's TMG? The Mass Geometry?

5AM I haven't done yet, but SLU definitely works but my tolerance for it got stronger each week, had to titrate up considerably (pill form not injection). If you get the pills, I recommend the SLU/BAM15 stack! Probably more of a placebo rather than actual "exercise in a pill", but I felt like it made a difference.

TMG trimethylglycine. The methyl groups needed to turn NR into NAD+

 

[birdwhacker]

SS-31 is supposed to be pinned first for 30ish days before pinning MOTS-c. I don't remember how it goes but you do your own research dammit.

Mf I didn't have any SS31! I know how the "protocol" goes, that's why I bought SS31.

I did 500mcg of DSIP and it did nothing for me....

Try more. I did a mg last night. First time I tried it I did 650mcg or so and it was great. Gotta pin it within 30 minutes of falling asleep though.

What's TMG? The Mass Geometry?

Trimethylglycine AKA Betaine Anhydrous. Supports the methylation pathways upstream of SAMe. Neccessary if you want to use flush niacin to increase NAD levels or if you want to blast huge doses of NAD without getting tired. Combine it with some methylfolate and B12 for maximum support.

5AM I haven't done yet, but SLU definitely works but my tolerance for it got stronger each week, had to titrate up considerably (pill form not injection). If you get the pills, I recommend the SLU/BAM15 stack! Probably more of a placebo rather than actual "exercise in a pill", but I felt like it made a difference.

Absolute insanity. God help me when I get disposable income.

 

[mrmors]

Another vote for Mots here. I can see why it's banned in sports. I take it on any run days and just dont get tired, it's not making me faster or fitter per se, but makes my 5k's way more enjoyable.

 

[gimmeshelter]

Another vote for Mots here. I can see why it's banned in sports. I take it on any run days and just dont get tired, it's not making me faster or fitter per se, but makes my 5k's way more enjoyable.

actually might make u fitter if u can run longer because ur not getting tired or keep a mile pace that would not be possible without MOTS.

 

[PAPoots]

For performance: MOTS-c and NAD+. Plus a pre-workout drink. Currently using Hyde from Costco. It is really cheap there.

MOTS-c - 5mg - M-W-F

NAD+ - 50mg - Everyday

Is anyone taking larger doses of either, or more frequently?

I don't know if it stays in your system and builds up. I'm curious if I should just take it on days that I will be training so I am not wasting it.

 

[Hawk_recon]

I take 1 mg mots-c daily, but also run every day. I’ve found this method works pretty well for me combined with electrolytes and some carbs before the run.