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I recently got BAM 15 oil suspension and tests myself with 20mg just now....it was very similar to CJC1295/Ipamorelin no DAC.

My body felt hot for a few minutes, but then it felt like my sense of being was somehwat detached from the body. No, I m not spiritual. I m just thinking of the best way to explain this. Then my heartbeat went up to 100 even when sitting down.

I will keep updating.
 
Day 3.

Completely exhaustion. I could barely move arond my body,and it felt like I had a cold except I had no cold symptoms. The only I ever felt this way was after taking 800mg caffeine or taking Lipodrene supplement (mix of caffeine, DMHA, yohimbine hcl, synephrine and bunch of other herbal thermogenic agents).

My resting heartbeat was 120 (!!) and I had to lay down and do deep breathes for hours until it slowly went back to 90 by 4PM.

No injection.
 
Day 5.

Injected 2mg to test how much I can go back up without getting sick. feeling similar thermogenic effects and chilly. Feels no better or worse than 1mg.
 
lastresort said:
taking Lipodrene supplement (mix of caffeine, DMHA, yohimbine hcl, synephrine and bunch of other herbal thermogenic agents).
My man...

Thank you for doing this test. You've singlehandedly made me choose not to do this.
 
Well I am tolerating well at 1 and 2 mg...i will keep updating.

LIpodrene is from a supplement company called Hi Tech Pharmaceutical that also sells prohormonss for bodybuilding. I got it as a free sample, and that thing is just not worth the 1hr of "cardio high" because it just suplexes your stamina for the rest of the day.

I admit....I am experimenting with this like a blind man because there is no clinical trial at all.
 
lastresort said:
Well I am tolerating well at 1 and 2 mg...i will keep updating.

LIpodrene is from a supplement company called Hi Tech Pharmaceutical that also sells prohormonss for bodybuilding. I got it as a free sample, and that thing is just not worth the 1hr of "cardio high" because it just suplexes your stamina for the rest of the day.

I admit....I am experimenting with this like a blind man because there is no clinical trial at all.
I heard this compound was like DNP-lite.... and not in a good way. Why don't you just take reta like most of us to lose some weight & chill on the experiments?
 
lastresort said:
Well I am tolerating well at 1 and 2 mg...i will keep updating.

LIpodrene is from a supplement company called Hi Tech Pharmaceutical that also sells prohormonss for bodybuilding. I got it as a free sample, and that thing is just not worth the 1hr of "cardio high" because it just suplexes your stamina for the rest of the day.

I admit....I am experimenting with this like a blind man because there is no clinical trial at all.
I have been getting the -drene compounds from Sameday supplements and have had good experiences with it. Of them I like Cloma pharma products the best.
 
sofaKINGnoob said:
I heard this compound was like DNP-lite.... and not in a good way. Why don't you just take reta like most of us to lose some weight & chill on the experiments?
You just gave me flash backs to waking up in a pool of sweat.
 
sofaKINGnoob said:
I heard this compound was like DNP-lite.... and not in a good way. Why don't you just take reta like most of us to lose some weight & chill on the experiments?
it sort is. Both are mitochondria decoupler. However, unlike BNP, BAM 15 is seriously being considered as a therapeutic agent. The main issue with DNP is that its effective dose was too close to the lethal dose.

I am on 7.5mg reta. Honestly? I am doing this just for a reckless N=1 clinical trial. It was really cheap, too. I don't know how people take 100mg oral and not drop dead, though.

I might try albuterol in the future. I am pretty much breaking every rule of a good scientist because I am teetering around a cliff. Do not be like me lol.

Smiter said:
I have been getting the -drene compounds from Sameday supplements and have had good experiences with it. Of them I like Cloma pharma products the best.
Great it worked for you. Individual response really is a thing. Some are hyper responders for something, others aren't. I am an under responder for GLP1 drugs it seems.
 
Day 6. Injected 3mg.

I forgot to mention this but I injected several places over the days...thighs and stomach fat fold.

My vision feels like drowsy-blurry. I m feeling thermic effects li I did yesterday. No particular differences from 1mg or 2mg.
 
lastresort said:
Individual response really is a thing. Some are hyper responders for something, others aren't. I am an under responder for GLP1 drugs it seems.
its def a thing, as is the varied environment.

lastresort said:
Day 6. Injected 3mg.

I forgot to mention this but I injected several places over the days...thighs and stomach fat fold.

My vision feels like drowsy-blurry. I m feeling thermic effects li I did yesterday. No particular differences from 1mg or 2mg.
Ease up, bro
 
sofaKINGnoob said:
I heard this compound was like DNP-lite.... and not in a good way. Why don't you just take reta like most of us to lose some weight & chill on the experiments?
DNP is a very dangerous drug, it has a low therapeutic index, so the difference between a working dose and a deadly dose is small, which is why people die from taking it.

Bam15 is a weaker mitochondrial uncoupler than DNP, so is significantly less likely to be fatal at high doses, but doses in humans have not been determined as there have been no human studies, and given the type of drug it is, how it works and the very early stage of research even in animals, people taking it is a long way from low risk, especially given the complete lack of any dosing safety studies in humans, and the fact that the animal studies that need to be done before human studies can be considered , have not yet been done, like toxicity and carcinogenesis studies.

It is still being developed as a drug candidate, but the drug companies really want mitochondrial uncoupling drugs that only have effects in the liver, not the whole body , to reduce chances of severe adverse effect or off target effects. They are actually developing a prodrug version of DNP, where the prodrug is converted to DNP in the liver only and works there, and this is probably further along the development process than bam15.

Bam15 definitely looks interesting from the animal studies, but I do not see it as being ready for human testing either in trials or by self selected guinea pigs. Reta is not approved yet, but has a lot of human clinical trial data already and is obviously the safer option.
 
lessthanhalf said:
DNP is a very dangerous drug, it has a low therapeutic index, so the difference between a working dose and a deadly dose is small, which is why people die from taking it.

Bam15 is a weaker mitochondrial uncoupler than DNP, so is significantly less likely to be fatal at high doses, but doses in humans have not been determined as there have been no human studies, and given the type of drug it is, how it works and the very early stage of research even in animals, people taking it is a long way from low risk, especially given the complete lack of any dosing safety studies in humans, and the fact that the animal studies that need to be done before human studies can be considered , have not yet been done, like toxicity and carcinogenesis studies.

It is still being developed as a drug candidate, but the drug companies really want mitochondrial uncoupling drugs that only have effects in the liver, not the whole body , to reduce chances of severe adverse effect or off target effects. They are actually developing a prodrug version of DNP, where the prodrug is converted to DNP in the liver only and works there, and this is probably further along the development process than bam15.

Bam15 definitely looks interesting from the animal studies, but I do not see it as being ready for human testing either in trials or by self selected guinea pigs. Reta is not approved yet, but has a lot of human clinical trial data already and is obviously the safer option.
All good points!

And all the more reasons that I would make a bad clinical scientist !
 
Day 7 (backlogged).

Injected 4mg. Noticeable sensation of heartbeat elevation and hot face. No other negative symptoms.
 
This sounds absolutely terrible. I would never recommend DNP to anyone, I think for the average person wanting to lose weight it's an awful choice that will just make you feel like shit while you're on it and rebound when you come off of it. I think its only practical use is for a bodybuilder who screwed up their pre contest prep, and realistically if they screwed up that bad they're probably going to look like shit on stage even if DNP helps them lose fat.

Saying that, I've used actual DNP multiple times when I was younger. This sounds as bad as higher dose DNP feels, except I could lose a pound of bodyweight every other day. Then lower 100-150mg DNP was barely noticable to me as far as negative effects go. I actually preferred DNP over other more commonly used bodybuilding drugs like clenbuterol, thyroid hormones, and other stimulants, I hated how they made my heart race like it was going to explode.

Again, I don't recommend DNP at all, there are multiple options that are drastically better for you. This is all to say that if BAM-15 feels just as bad as DNP felt, regardless of whether it's "safer," it's probably not worth it.
 
Tattoo85 said:
This sounds absolutely terrible. I would never recommend DNP to anyone, I think for the average person wanting to lose weight it's an awful choice that will just make you feel like shit while you're on it and rebound when you come off of it. I think its only practical use is for a bodybuilder who screwed up their pre contest prep, and realistically if they screwed up that bad they're probably going to look like shit on stage even if DNP helps them lose fat.

Saying that, I've used actual DNP multiple times when I was younger. This sounds as bad as higher dose DNP feels, except I could lose a pound of bodyweight every other day. Then lower 100-150mg DNP was barely noticable to me as far as negative effects go. I actually preferred DNP over other more commonly used bodybuilding drugs like clenbuterol, thyroid hormones, and other stimulants, I hated how they made my heart race like it was going to explode.

Again, I don't recommend DNP at all, there are multiple options that are drastically better for you. This is all to say that if BAM-15 feels just as bad as DNP felt, regardless of whether it's "safer," it's probably not worth it.
I just didn’t like stinking all the time due to sweating like crazy on DNP non stop….. and that it is basically taking a poison….
 
It concerns me a bit that you are getting strong effects at doses lower than I would predict.

Using the extremely imperfect method of converting rodent doses to human of 1/10th the rodent dose in mg/kg, doses in rodent studies 10mg/kg-100mg/kg human eq is 1-10mg/kg which is 100mg to 1g/day for a 100kg human. I am not saying this is going to be accurate but it does usually produce ballpark results or at least the correct order of magnitude.

But from this calculation the low dose from the lowest dose studies in mice translates to 1mg/kg/day or 60 to 100mg/day in humans - all based on oral doses. I bothered to work all this out as the animal studies are interesting. But your responses indicate stronger effects at lower doses of about 1/30th to 1/12th the lowest dose I calculated. Given that the easiest test to do is heart rate, getting it to 100 sounds like an unsafe dose, but it is also possible for it to be placebo response, which is the whole problem with n of 1 studies with no blinding. It also suggests that dose finding phase 1 trials really need to be done before human use. Please do not use this to guide dosing, it sounds like the doses you are using are too high rather than too low going on heart rate. Online I have seen doses from 0.5mg to 200mg orally , this degree of dosing variation is very unusual. Sometimes the vendors sell the drugs in deliberately low doses if they think there might be reasons to worry about adverse effects. Most of the animal studies were done with oral dosing, and bioavailability is not super high as it is a very polar molecule but it is not so bad as to explain a 12-100x dose change from oral to parenteral.

I think if you are going to try it I would suggest being a bit more scientific in measuring effects, including especially body temperature, blood pressure and heart rate, both before doses to get a baseline and after. And weight . Any rise in body temperature is a serious problem, the dose is too high, as is an increase in heart rate above 10 bpm or increase in blood pressure. Hopefully after a lot of measurements , non drug effects like expectation or placebo effects would tend to go down and make the results a bit cleaner.
 
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