BAM 15 Logging.....

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lessthanhalf said:
It concerns me a bit that you are getting strong effects at doses lower than I would predict.

Using the extremely imperfect method of converting rodent doses to human of 1/10th the rodent dose in mg/kg, doses in rodent studies 10mg/kg-100mg/kg human eq is 1-10mg/kg which is 100mg to 1g/day for a 100kg human. I am not saying this is going to be accurate but it does usually produce ballpark results or at least the correct order of magnitude.

But from this calculation the low dose from the lowest dose studies in mice translates to 1mg/kg/day or 60 to 100mg/day in humans - all based on oral doses. I bothered to work all this out as the animal studies are interesting. But your responses indicate stronger effects at lower doses of about 1/30th to 1/12th the lowest dose I calculated. Given that the easiest test to do is heart rate, getting it to 100 sounds like an unsafe dose, but it is also possible for it to be placebo response, which is the whole problem with n of 1 studies with no blinding. It also suggests that dose finding phase 1 trials really need to be done before human use. Please do not use this to guide dosing, it sounds like the doses you are using are too high rather than too low going on heart rate. Online I have seen doses from 0.5mg to 200mg orally , this degree of dosing variation is very unusual. Sometimes the vendors sell the drugs in deliberately low doses if they think there might be reasons to worry about adverse effects. Most of the animal studies were done with oral dosing, and bioavailability is not super high as it is a very polar molecule but it is not so bad as to explain a 12-100x dose change from oral to parenteral.

I think if you are going to try it I would suggest being a bit more scientific in measuring effects, including especially body temperature, blood pressure and heart rate, both before doses to get a baseline and after. And weight . Any rise in body temperature is a serious problem, the dose is too high, as is an increase in heart rate above 10 bpm or increase in blood pressure. Hopefully after a lot of measurements , non drug effects like expectation or placebo effects would tend to go down and make the results a bit cleaner.
I know, this is why I initially suspected that this is not BAM 15...but the website that sells this research chem is owned by Mike Arnold and I find it hard to believe they would sell fake ones.

Yes, I was rather surprised by how strong I felt with "low" doses, and how people who take 100mg or 200mg are completely unfazed. Maybe I am super responder, IDK.

I appreciate your advice.,
 
Day 8.

Moved back to 5mg. Interestingly, the thermal effect or heart beats (~100) elevations are a lot milder than it was at 3-4mg or last week. Perhaps my body is slowly adjusting?
 
Day 9

Injected 6mg. Mild heat around ears and face. I think my body is definitely acclimating to BAM 15 because the heart palpitations are not there anymore for now.

Interestingly, today and yesterday I also injected CJC1295/Ipamorelin 250mcg at the same time. Supposedly GHRH should increase heart rate but when taken together, the effects seem to less than either.
 
Day 10.

Upped the doses to 10mg.

My body doesn'te ven feel that warm. My heart beat slightly elevated.

Plan to test the response on empty stomach vs fed stomach this week.
 
Day 11 (backlogged)

Decided to go up 20mg, taken on empty stomach.

Mild body heat, no serious heart palpitation. My body seems to be acclimated to it well at this point.
 
Day13.

Decided to take a risk and tried 50mg. Injected into my thigh instead of my fat fold.

Mild heat effects, somewhat blurry visionfor 3-4 minutes. A bit of pressure in my heart. Contrary to what online claims. BAM 15 does have similar effect as DNP, but to much less extents.
 
Day14.

Decided to do a bit of adventure by taking 100mg but split into three doses: morning, afternoon, night.

Each shot, approx 33mg gave me little more than a weak warm sensation, though after the morning shot I was really sleepy....then again, my office is quite cramped with a poor ventilation.
 
Day 15 (backlogging Friday)

Forgot to pin 3 timds so ended up pinning only 66mg

I noticed that sometimes the area I inject swell up a bit and remains so for 2-3 days. I did not have such reactions with other injections, not even sermorelin. Does not show bacterial infection symptoms.
 
Day 16.

Injected 100mg, split three shot.

Other than swelling, no other side effects. Swelling probably will go down in a few days,
 
Day 17.

The injection swellings are temporary but last more than a day or two. I decided to swig 2mL (100mg) suspension of Bam 15 with some water instead. Very slight amount of body heat but no other side effects
 
lastresort said:
Day 17.

The injection swellings are temporary but last more than a day or two. I decided to swig 2mL (100mg) suspension of Bam 15 with some water instead. Very slight amount of body heat but no other side effects
Are you tracking bfp before and after this run?
 
Day 18.

swigged 100mg BAM 15 suspension. Didn't feel beside a slight heat effect. My body seems to be taking this well

Considering to up the dose to 150mg.
 
Day 19 (backlogged)

Woke up with a pretty bad, general fatigue on the backside.

Dosed up to 150mg. Slight sweating.
 
Please tell me someone close to you is helping monitor you and this process. Cause at this point, when you stop updating this thread, I am gonna get REALLY worried about you.
 
Pocket said:
Please tell me someone close to you is helping monitor you and this process. Cause at this point, when you stop updating this thread, I am gonna get REALLY worried about you.
I was thinking the same thing.
 
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