wolverine stack and mitochondrial protocol and staggering pins

[amosmylove]

Two main questions.

First pertains to the Wolverine stack. Second is regarding the mots-c and ss-31 and NAD+ protocol for repairing mitochondrial function/efficacy.

1.

What dosages are best for active recovery using tb500 and bpc157?

I'm on my second cycle and think I should up my dosages.

I have a lot of soft tissue injuries that never have healed up several of which needed surgery but I never got it done for several reasons. The first cycle I did of this stack I noticed marked improvement in my knee and especially my hands/wrists. I stopped the cycle and within a week my pain had returned and my hands were back to knuckles swelling and unable to flex fingers when waking, carpal tunnel symptoms returned etc. All of that mostly left during the first cycle, not 100% but truly improved and so encouraging.

I also have hEDS which is a connective tissue/malformation of collagen disease which is mainly why I have all these injuries to begin with.

Current dose of my wolverine stack is

bpc 500mcg daily and tb500 every 3rd day 500mcg.

I am starting adult league softball again and already my injuries are rebelling so I need to do something more/different.

I've read about others who do 1mg 2 times a day of bpc or both when trying to recover. I'm wondering in my approach is too gentle and should I ramp it up, or is there no reason to dose that high and would I be wasting pep at that point?

2.

When reading more about the 14 week mitochondrial protocol that seems to be very popular in these circles, I also read an article specific to ss-31, but they mentioned when stacking peps you should give at least 30 minutes between dosing each peptide. I have never done that. I get about 15 seconds between the next poke. Have I been doing it wrong? Should I start staggering my ss31, mots and nad AND my wolverine? I'd still do wolverine together but I mean after or before the other grouping.

 

[birdwhacker]

Try running cartalax along with your BPC/TB.

0.5mg twice a day is the standard but feel free to up it to 1mg twice a day if you feel like it. I personally felt like 3x a day was more effective, gonna try it when I get a pen.

Number 2. is just nonsense. And truth be told there is no "protocol." Just touch up your NAD, start the SS31, then start the MotsC.

Honestly though, don't know why people aren't religiously running CoQ10, PQQ, berberine etc. along with this if they really want to strengthen the mitochondria. People hear peptides and go blind to everything else. There's a whole world of supplements out there that are more effective and well understood than most peptides.

 

[wildweasel]

Honestly though, don't know why people aren't religiously running CoQ10, PQQ, berberine etc. along with this if they really want to strengthen the mitochondria.

Accurate

People hear peptides and go blind to everything else. There's a whole world of supplements out there that are more effective and well understood than most peptides.

True af lmao. Supplements. Nutrition. Literally foundational stuff.

All of this stuff exists and is valid af and peptides aren’t better solutions 9/10 times

 

[birdwhacker]

True af lmao. Foundations. Supplements. All of this stuff exists and is valid af, nine times out of 10 the answer isn’t an additional peptide, it’s going back to the basics

Absolutely freaks me out that some people are out here blasting peps and steroids but don't even take a multivitamin from the grocery store.

I had a suspicion that people who have serious AFIB attacks from reta are malnourished. Asked one user what other supplements they take and if they use magnesium/potassium and they said no other supplements! And that they won't take magnesium or potassium because of their heart! Holy chicken meet egg.

 

[wildweasel]

Absolutely freaks me out that some people are out here blasting peps and steroids but don't even take a multivitamin from the grocery store.

I had a suspicion that people who have serious AFIB attacks from reta are malnourished. Asked one user what other supplements they take and if they use magnesium/potassium and they said no other supplements! And that they won't take magnesium or potassium because of their heart! Holy chicken meet egg.

The malnourished Reta observation is a real af occurrence I hadn’t considered the afib route before, but that’s totally possible

I’ve talked to peptiders who are losing hair due to malnourishment. I’ve talked to some who complain that they’re losing muscle and energy at 25 bmi running Reta in a 1k daily calorie deficit.

People stop thinking sometimes it seems like, the human body fucking needs nutrition, and yeah maybe if you have very large fat stores, you can get by for a certain amount of time with huge calorie deficit, but you still need electrolytes, you still need protein, and just because you’re not hungry doesn’t make dietary science cease to exist

Hell yeah man. A lot of times when I see people needing to do is just like what you said, go back to the basics. There isn’t a magic injectable drug that’s going to fix everything.

 

[birdwhacker]

I’ve talked to peptiders who are losing hair due to malnourishment.

Dude! I have a buddy in New York who thought he was going bald, only to find out he doesn't take a multivitamin. You're a pale 26 year old with an eating disorder, I promise you're not getting enough nutrition bro.

He wouldn't buy the vitamin D from Amazon I sent him, but he happily went out to get a prescription for oral finasteride and minoxidil.

I’ve talked to some who complain that they’re losing muscle and energy at 25 bmi running Reta in a 1k daily calorie deficit.

Too personal. I'm on a 1200 deficit and not strength training. Becoming a complete twink lmao.

But yeah, up until I added high dose SLU i actually had amazing energy because I'm crazy about nutrition. Being honest though I'm kind of tired now lmao

Th ere isn’t a magic injectable drug that’s going to fix everything.

Don't even get me started on the "I need to take tesa because it targets visceral fat" crowd

 

[wildweasel]

Two main questions.

First pertains to the Wolverine stack. Second is regarding the mots-c and ss-31 and NAD+ protocol for repairing mitochondrial function/efficacy.

1.

What dosages are best for active recovery using tb500 and bpc157?

I'm on my second cycle and think I should up my dosages.

I have a lot of soft tissue injuries that never have healed up several of which needed surgery but I never got it done for several reasons. The first cycle I did of this stack I noticed marked improvement in my knee and especially my hands/wrists. I stopped the cycle and within a week my pain had returned and my hands were back to knuckles swelling and unable to flex fingers when waking, carpal tunnel symptoms returned etc. All of that mostly left during the first cycle, not 100% but truly improved and so encouraging.

I also have hEDS which is a connective tissue/malformation of collagen disease which is mainly why I have all these injuries to begin with.

Current dose of my wolverine stack is

bpc 500mcg daily and tb500 every 3rd day 500mcg.

I am starting adult league softball again and already my injuries are rebelling so I need to do something more/different.

I've read about others who do 1mg 2 times a day of bpc or both when trying to recover. I'm wondering in my approach is too gentle and should I ramp it up, or is there no reason to dose that high and would I be wasting pep at that point?

2.

When reading more about the 14 week mitochondrial protocol that seems to be very popular in these circles, I also read an article specific to ss-31, but they mentioned when stacking peps you should give at least 30 minutes between dosing each peptide. I have never done that. I get about 15 seconds between the next poke. Have I been doing it wrong? Should I start staggering my ss31, mots and nad AND my wolverine? I'd still do wolverine together but I mean after or before the other grouping.

Regarding number one, I would honestly say keep doing what you’re doing. You have results it’s working for you always follow the rule of minimum effective dose. If it’s working, then continue until it stops working and that’s when you want to consider increasing dose or frequency. Be sure you’re doing the normal of eating adequate food and resting the muscles and not giving them undo stress.

For number two I agree that that’s all nonsense.

 

[wildweasel]

Too personal. I'm on a 1200 deficit and not strength training. Becoming a complete twink lmao.

Its a personal story for me too. I work out 2.5-3 hours a day, 24 bmi. 30-40 minutes cardio and heavy weight lifting, im compete in hybrid endurance sports. i tried reta thinking i could lose fat and build muscle. i spent two months trying to figure out why tf the scale was dropping weight but my fat wasnt going anywhere and i was getting weaker. i looked like a fkn washboard at the end of it. I ended up counting macros and realized i was in a 800cal daily deficit. i stopped reta, brought my daily cals to +250 and like a fkn light switch i started melting off fat and getting toned af building muscle. my before after pictures look like comparing a washboard vs a jock just over the course of 2 months

But yeah, up until I added high dose SLU i actually had amazing energy because I'm crazy about nutrition. Being honest though I'm kind of tired now lmao

Don't even get me started on the "I need to take tesa because it targets visceral fat" crowd

the tesa crowd tho lmao. it seems like 9/10 of them dont even understand that tesamorelin, a gh secretagogue, does what it does because its somehow magic or has some secret activation pathway and not because its primary effect is making your body release gh.