我想我还是别再囤货了。

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Your logic seems very sound to me! I started with reta, so no experience with tirz, but the early long-term degradation data on reta is what keeps me from getting too carried away on the stash. But I can sure relate with @BNLFL as well because seeing reta routinely in that 20-something cents per mg is sure hard to resist! That total $ figure for pep purchases on my tracking spreadsheet occasionally helps me refrain from buying more. I admire your discipline to your monthly pep budget! It’s a great approach!
 
I'm currently sitting on 2 years worth at my dosage. Probably continue stocking up. I have the freezer space, so why not? I love not being ruled by food, so I'm in for the foreseeable future.
 
Dos-Dox said:
the early long-term degradation data on reta is what keeps me from getting too carried away on the stash.
I can honestly say I have not yet put my eyes on the early long-term degradation data on Reta. However, Janoshik in his Peptalk interview said that T&R would last years in the refrigerator and decades in the freezer. This was reassuring to hear.
 
Danger1212 said:
decades in the freezer. This was reassuring to hear.
There's a reason labs pay big bucks for fancy, supercold freezers.

Since I don't have a manual-defrost freezer, my favorite setup now is a Hydrapeak with inserts, and the Hydrapeak fits inside a round beverage cooler. And I also use Thermos food jars for individual kits. I get everything except the Hydrapeak stuff from Goodwill.
 
randompersonrandom said:
So I've GOT ten years max dose of tirz, which is what I'm on. I've tried out a vial of r-30, not long enough or on a smart enough titration to get meaningful and consistent experience, but long enough to know that it doesn't cause me any particular side effects and starts to take effect at around 8 mg, which is all I actually wanted. It's always been my intention to stay on tirz, stash the reta in the freezer, and maybe switch to it someday when it's been approved and has been out in the general population long enough for us to know a lot more about it . And I do like to slow-hoard, which is to buy a kit every month or two when there's a good price, and stopping if I get to ten years max dose like I did with tirz.

I'm at five years mid-dose stash with reta, but I think Ima stop there. Like, I know that tirz is tirz is tirz, it's a cockroach, it lives forever in a good freezer, you can freeze it after recon so you can work with way-higher-than-your-dosage vials, it doesn't degrade much in the freezer, and there's not a lot of drama with its manufacture. I know it's basically fine to doomsday-hoard tirz.

But every new discussion about reta is "hey, this is weird and sensitive." Sometimes it goes cloudy even with hospira cause maybe the excipient has some salts or something which will wreck it. It doesn't freeze well or it does and degrades a lot after 45 days. Also sometimes it doesn't degrade very fast at all and other times it degrades REALLY fast, let's spin the wheel.

The reason I'm not using it yet is because of all of the early-years uncertainty on how this stuff acts and whether it's safe and the fact that we don't really know as much about it as we do about stuff that's been around for longer. But I'm thinking maybe those ought to be the reasons I don't actually stash a lot of it yet, either.

I have no doubt that when the next big things come out, I'll want to stash those too because wheee. But I think I'll cap "this is new" stashes at two years,
Yeah, easy to say after how many WW R140 kits you have on order? I saw you over there. 🤣🤣🤣

I think I'm done after that, too!
 
Calm Logic said:
实验室花大价钱购买高级冷冻柜是有原因的。
我觉得我也需要一个!
 
Calm Logic said:
实验室花大价钱购买高级冷冻柜是有原因的。
我的意思是,虽然贾诺希克没说出口,但我心里却听到了那句话:“你车库里的冰柜”😁
 
Chili777 said:
是啊,你订了多少套WW R140套件之后,说起来当然容易了?我看到你在那边了。🤣🤣🤣

我想我之后也该收手了!
哈哈,被抓包了!!

如果你在那份文件上看到我的名字,那只是出于研究目的……
 
woundcarping said:
这是目光短浅的做法。
认为你现在服用的药物就是你的最终选择,难道不是目光短浅吗?

把自己锁定在一种药物上5到10年,基本上就是在赌创新会停滞不前,而实际情况恰恰相反。

我说的“更好”并不是指更快更显著的减肥效果,而是指副作用更小、药效更持久(减少服药频率)、口服版本不断改进等等的Reta/Tirz替代品。

留出几年的缓冲期固然很好,但我认为保持开放的心态去寻找更好的选择(无论这对你和你的目标意味着什么)才是更明智的做法。
 
我敢肯定我们都不算穷,而且在灰色地带加油的成本也很低。十年应该比较稳妥。
 
ALVJAY said:
认为你现在所处的阶段就是你的最终目标,难道不是更短视吗?

将自己局限于一种化合物的研发5到10年,实际上就是在赌创新会停滞不前,而实际情况恰恰相反……

我冰箱里唯一存放不到十年的只有Cagri和Sema,我从来没用过,也不知道以后会不会用……但你不可能用你没有的东西。如果价格合适,我会买500-1000毫克的Sema。

我的冰箱里没有什么东西是固定的,所以我不会陷入沉没成本谬误或对肽类药物的承诺偏见。我各种肽类药物的总成本微不足道,尤其考虑到它们的功能价值以及这些功能价值对个人和职业生活带来的益处。

我对任何事物都持开放态度,并且会随时准备使用加密货币来抓住机会。我最近在关注Eloralintide,主要是因为 @Calm Logic 对它感兴趣……据说第一批灰色制剂下个月就能上市,但我并不想成为早期使用者。

供应中断?没听说过。

没有其他选择?那可就糟了。1

=无。

机会总是眷顾有准备的人。
 
Chili777 said:
是啊,你订了多少套WW R140套件之后,说起来当然容易了?我看到你在那边了。🤣🤣🤣

我想我之后也该收手了!
还有其他少数几人。

Danger1212 said:
哈哈,被抓包了!!

如果你在那份文件上看到我的名字,那只是出于研究目的……
别客气。
 
woundcarping said:
我最近比较关注Eloralintide,主要是因为@Calm Logic对它感兴趣……据说第一款灰色产品下个月就会上市,不过我并不想成为早期使用者。
I'm eagerly watching Eloralintide. I had a bad reaction to Cagri. The reports are that Eloralintide has minimal side effects. My plan is to stack it with Reta for maintenance. It sounds like the perfect combination of appetite suppression and weight maintenance -- subject to real world experience, of course. Cagri sounded good in theory.
 
woundcarping said:
What’s it mean when you measure your Reta stash in grams?
You mean kilograms, right?

If not, you're going to be sad when you're in the nursing home and you're not able to extort your grandkids into weekly visits with your stash, while your neighbor who planned ahead a little better is getting family visits all the time.
 
Chili777 said:
Yeah, easy to say after how many WW R140 kits you have on order? I saw you over there. 🤣🤣🤣

I think I'm done after that, too!
ONLY ONE, and that was my last! I swear!
 
wheymaster1 said:
I like your thought process about not trying Reta until it becomes approved. I’m thinking in the same direction as you, especially with the higher heart rate increase side effects on reta. My heart rate is already slightly increased on tirz. How’s your experience with grey tirz vs mounjaro?
I did actually try it, a single vial, and I titrated up a bit fast. I mostly wanted to see "am I going to have should-not-take-this side effects and will it have any effect on me?" The answers were "nope, just some allodynia that's worse than tirz but not unbearable" and "yes, some, though probably not as much as it would if I'd titrated reasonably."

I actually plan to wait til it's not just approved but in common use to consider switching, and even then, I might as well stick with my tirz stash for the ten years plus (I doubt I'll ever get all way up to max dose; I've been on just under 9 mg and I'm almost in maintenance). I won't need to and don't plan to continue losing weight for that time, so maintenance SHOULD be fine with just tirz. But I'd so much rather have reta and not need it very badly than badly wish I'd bought it when it was available and not have it.
 
Chili777 said:
Yeah, easy to say after how many WW R140 kits you have on order? I saw you over there. 🤣🤣🤣

I think I'm done after that, too!
I saw you too. Did you see where one person ordered 20 kits?

randompersonrandom said:
ONLY ONE, and that was my last! I swear!
I was almost done after that R140, but J5 just put his MLB R50 in the store. I like that stuff and could stand it.

She only did get one, and her name is right after me.
 
BNLFL said:
I saw you too. Did you see where one person ordered 20 kits?

I was almost done after that R140, but J5 just put his MLB R50 in the store. I like that stuff and could stand it.

She only did get one, and her name is right after me.
I saw that. Must be a vial seller.
 
BNLFL said:
I saw you too. Did you see where one person ordered 20 kits?
20 is just an unreasonable number 🤣 Wasn't me though.

BNLFL said:
I was almost done after that R140, but J5 just put his MLB R50 in the store. I like that stuff and could stand it.
What's special about the R50? Certainly not the price.
 
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