
I haven’t tried IN, only subQ.peppystrings80 said:Out of curiosity, have you tried PT as a nasal spray?
This might be a great combination. I’ll be interested to hear how it works out for you. Keep us posted please!peppystrings80 said:I've been researching a nasal spray made with PT and oxytocin

To add to this,DjJoshua said:I personally did not like SEMAX nasal spray. after a 20 day cycle all i got out of it was a foggy mindset.

Do you have links to the mots-c anaphylaxis risk study?Dos-Dox said:Great question! This will be a good one to follow.
1) MOTS-C - I didn’t have much ISRs with this and finished my protocol, but won’t do it again after learning about how this has such a higher risk/prevalence of anaphylaxis. (Thanks to Calm Logic for gathering and posting the info to allow me to make the decision the risk isn’t worth the reward, which for me was no noticeable positive effect.)
2) PT-141 - I only did the 1 mini pin to assess tolerability and then one regular (2 mg) pin, but I don’t like how it makes me feel at all. The flushing lasts for over an hour and it makes me nauseous. For me, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze on this one.


KPV is usually fine and can actually help with ISRs for some people. Maybe you just had problems with the GHK-Cu?Sunflower80 said:I'll return to BPC/TB and forego the KPV and GHk-Cu for my next foray.

Blindman said:Do you have links to the mots-c anaphylaxis risk study?
but what about the good stuff of pt-141? did you feel anything? like increase in libido and stuffDos-Dox said:Great question! This will be a good one to follow.
1) MOTS-C - I didn’t have much ISRs with this and finished my protocol, but won’t do it again after learning about how this has such a higher risk/prevalence of anaphylaxis. (Thanks to Calm Logic for gathering and posting the info to allow me to make the decision the risk isn’t worth the reward, which for me was no noticeable positive effect.)
2) PT-141 - I only did the 1 mini pin to assess tolerability and then one regular (2 mg) pin, but I don’t like how it makes me feel at all. The flushing lasts for over an hour and it makes me nauseous. For me, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze on this one.


I had a good chat with an AI, and I'd also tried taking the apparent maximum dose for PT 141 (50u) - getting little to no real effect at all, and the AI suggested I take - sildenafil and 80u of PT 141 - well the short version is that this worked, very well... so anyone getting no effect on even the alleged max dose of 50u - I'm living proof that it does work at higher doses...no side effects and no hangovers the next day..latviantower said:AOD zero effect. Waste of money.



Mots-C! anything that my body hates that much should Not be injected inside of it..randompersonrandom said:What's something you thought sounded good, got a kit, started taking, and at some point for some reason said "Oh, you know what? I'm not finishing this out, this is not a good call for me."
Maybe you rethought the potential risks of something, maybe you read one too many accounts of an adverse reaction or had one yourself, maybe you came to believe that the benefits were not as promised.
Mine is MOTS-C. I got almost all the way through the mitochondrial protocol, and then went "Uh...the hard lumps I get at my injection site under the skin do not appear to be going away. I still have the ones from week one. You know what, this one's scary, never mind." (It's been a few weeks since my last dose, and they are finally almost all the way gone, but still, no thanks.)

Sounds like me.PAPoots said:SS-31, Epitalon, Semax, Selank, Glow70, Tesamorelin, Ipamorelin.... None of them appeared to do what they were supposed to do, but I did get side effects. I'm using NAD+ and MOTS-c right now and I do feel like I have a bit more energy when I go to the gym.
The Tesamorelin gave me carpal tunnel symptoms. I have backed down to 1.25mg daily and it appears to have helped a bit. Until I am done with the protocol, I assume I won't see the expected effects until I shed the water it causes you to retain.
I think the Glow70 might have helped a little with some tendon issues, but I didn't see any of the "Skin" effects. I'll be switching to the Wolverine stack once the Glow is gone.
As far as NAD+, I might look at the precursors NMN and NR instead of taking the NAD+. A lot of what I read always takes me back to those 2.
I might also get some more MOTS-c after I have completed it for a month or so. I need to take it on its own to see if it is that or the NAD+ that gives me a boost.

Never did viagra, but pt 141 works really well for meMrZardoz said:I had a good chat with an AI, and I'd also tried taking the apparent maximum dose for PT 141 (50u) - getting little to no real effect at all, and the AI suggested I take - sildenafil and 80u of PT 141 - well the short version is that this worked, very well... so anyone getting no effect on even the alleged max dose of 50u - I'm living proof that it does work at higher doses...no side effects and no hangovers the next day..

