What are the real benefits of CJC + IPA?

[ascension]

Hey everyone, I am currently debating wether to hop on CJC (no dac) + Ipamorelin, I am 18 and have hopped off reta a couple months ago dropping from 100kg to 70kg. I would like to boost muscle growth and recovery I have heard about CJC possibly boosting height potential but I am skeptical if this is true as I am pretty sure my growth plates have already closed. If anyone can tell me what I can expect from this and if you guys have anything better while still being relatively safe (not trying taking hgh) please do recommend them to me.

I also am looking at Tesamoralin but have not got enough knowledge on it if anyone could educate me.

Thanks!

 

[yrrdead]

I usually just ignore these threads because they are so difficult to not be negative. But I'm going to rise above this monday.

You are 18 (I'm assuming bio male). You will see almost zero effect from any growth hormone secretagogues.

Unless you have a severe pituitary gland disorder or some other kind of serious medical issue you don't need any exogenous support for muscle growth. You need TUB (time under bar). That's it. If you really want to spend some money, spend it on a coach for whatever flavor of lifting you enjoy. Getting your form down now will pay huge dividends down the road. Then after 3-4 years of gains then it may be time to visit some outside chemical assistance. But please just put some work in.

 

[DjJoshua]

Im with Yrrdead . Most (not all) of these things are for us broken down old cars... It kind of helps put some tread back on the old bald tires lol.. You are so young, I would say get blood work done first before throwing darts at a dart board with a blindfold on. Second is I'm a muscular man, I did not get this way over night. it took YEARS and YEARS, and years..... Take your time you will get there...

 

[DrPEPr]

Exactly this. Don't go looking for 'cheats' from the get go; play the game first.

Get your diet locked in and go pump some iron.

Keep a journal (measurements and pics of your physique) and see for yourself what you can achieve with a couple of years of hard work.

 

[Calm Logic]

Even aggressive/dumb bro science is against any growth or hormone compounds for anyone under 21.

You can just as easily lower your IGF-1 values with GH peptides at your age of 18.

Or imagine if Steve Jobs increased his IGF-1 when he was young. He could have died even earlier.

And increasing IGF-1 artificially while not completely done with puberty can cause "early growth plate closure." So a way to lose height, if anything, since the plates do not have to close until age 21 sometimes.

 

[Nerker]

I usually just ignore these threads because they are so difficult to not be negative. But I'm going to rise above this monday.

You are 18 (I'm assuming bio male). You will see almost zero effect from any growth hormone secretagogues.

Unless you have a severe pituitary gland disorder or some other kind of serious medical issue you don't need any exogenous support for muscle growth. You need TUB (time under bar). That's it. If you really want to spend some money, spend it on a coach for whatever flavor of lifting you enjoy. Getting your form down now will pay huge dividends down the road. Then after 3-4 years of gains then it may be time to visit some outside chemical assistance. But please just put some work in.

Hi. I was just searching our forum for this, as I found out my 15.5 yr old son has delayed puberty/ growth b/c pituitary gland not functioning due to impaired GH signaling. Low FSH, Very low Test, Low IGF-1, low IGF-BP3.

We're going through this with his primary and endocrinologist. They've talked hormone therapy. I recently discovered peptide world. My son, who has been small for a while now has been wanting Test and others so he can catch up to his friends.

Don't worry, we will stay under medical advice, but if there was no help, could test jumpstart him? I'm fascinated this is even an option. Poor dude's been asking me to get him peptides for six months now. Thanks in advance.

 

[ascension]

I usually just ignore these threads because they are so difficult to not be negative. But I'm going to rise above this monday.

You are 18 (I'm assuming bio male). You will see almost zero effect from any growth hormone secretagogues.

Unless you have a severe pituitary gland disorder or some other kind of serious medical issue you don't need any exogenous support for muscle growth. You need TUB (time under bar). That's it. If you really want to spend some money, spend it on a coach for whatever flavor of lifting you enjoy. Getting your form down now will pay huge dividends down the road. Then after 3-4 years of gains then it may be time to visit some outside chemical assistance. But please just put some work in.

I get it, I've been in the gym for 3 years with half of that time being taken seriously tracking calories and workouts but I've noticed a spike in people around me taking them without doing research and seeing multiple people online promoting them as some sort of superpower. I understand it is unrealistic but since I have already taken reta I figured CJC + IPA would be pretty safe too.

 

[Calm Logic]

Hi. I was just searching our forum for this, as I found out my 15.5 yr old son has delayed puberty/ growth b/c pituitary gland not functioning due to impaired GH signaling. Low FSH, Very low Test, Low IGF-1, low IGF-BP3.

We're going through this with his primary and endocrinologist. They've talked hormone therapy. I recently discovered peptide world. My son, who has been small for a while now has been wanting Test and others so he can catch up to his friends.

Don't worry, we will stay under medical advice, but if there was no help, could test jumpstart him? I'm fascinated this is even an option. Poor dude's been asking me to get him peptides for six months now. Thanks in advance.

What does the endocrinologist say? e.g.

"Would a low-dose testosterone 'jumpstart' be appropriate now, or do we risk premature growth plate fusion?" "Can we use hCG to stimulate his own testosterone production instead of using exogenous testosterone?" "Can we perform a 'Bone Age' X-ray to see exactly how much time we have left before his growth plates fuse?" "Is his growth failure primarily a GH deficiency or a gonadotropin (FSH/LH) deficiency, and which one needs to be addressed first to maximize his final height?"

Those questions are from Google Gemini. You can also use Gemini to find another pediatric endocrinologist if you don't like the current one. But this can never be DIY with a minor. It is too complicated medically (not to mention legally).

As with adults, one concern is too much estrogen from TRT. But at such a young age, extra estrogen can cause the growth plates to fuse too soon.

 

[yrrdead]

Hi. I was just searching our forum for this, as I found out my 15.5 yr old son has delayed puberty/ growth b/c pituitary gland not functioning due to impaired GH signaling. Low FSH, Very low Test, Low IGF-1, low IGF-BP3.

We're going through this with his primary and endocrinologist. They've talked hormone therapy. I recently discovered peptide world. My son, who has been small for a while now has been wanting Test and others so he can catch up to his friends.

Don't worry, we will stay under medical advice, but if there was no help, could test jumpstart him? I'm fascinated this is even an option. Poor dude's been asking me to get him peptides for six months now. Thanks in advance.

Well I would listen to those specific doctors. That is literally their specialty. I will bemoan some General Practitioners and their lack of knowledge with diet nutrition and alternative therapies. But if I have a pituitary disfunction I'm going to the best endo I can find/afford.

Related, let me save you a ton of time with what I've learned over the last 6 months (still learning, random guy on the internet, huge grain of salt)

1. Outside of GLP's (which are pretty magical) most peptides are a tiny step about vitamins/supplements. AKA work for some people sometimes.

What does that mean? Well if you want stuff that works its ; AAS, HGH, Insulin. Don't mess around with secretagogues and kisspeptin/gonadtropin/etc. Most peptides for the most part (yes I know insulin can be classified as peptide.) are for dabbling. Capguns compared to cannons.

You have doctors that are ready to get your son on the stuff that 100% works and works fast. Monitoring his bloodwork, adjusting dosage, managing sides, etc. We are all taking the things that are a fraction as powerful way down the chain in most cases.

If you were in the same boat but couldn't afford care or something similar I would be saying head to the dark side. Get on Meso , get a plan together with a Dr and UGL your way to some serious gear. I wouldn't recommend any peptides.

 

[yrrdead]

I get it, I've been in the gym for 3 years with half of that time being taken seriously tracking calories and workouts but I've noticed a spike in people around me taking them without doing research and seeing multiple people online promoting them as some sort of superpower. I understand it is unrealistic but since I have already taken reta I figured CJC + IPA would be pretty safe too.

People are promoting garbage for the same reason they always have ...... money, whether for clicks/views/affliate links.

In regards to secretagogues (cjc+ipa), you are correct that it is relatively safe. That being said it isn't 100% safe, it is from an unknown maybe untested source and in your case as a healthy 18yr old literally won't do anything or worse will hurt your growth.

 

[Nerker]

Well I would listen to those specific doctors. That is literally their specialty. I will bemoan some General Practitioners and their lack of knowledge with diet nutrition and alternative therapies. But if I have a pituitary disfunction I'm going to the best endo I can find/afford.

Related, let me save you a ton of time with what I've learned over the last 6 months (still learning, random guy on the internet, huge grain of salt)

1. Outside of GLP's (which are pretty magical) most peptides are a tiny step about vitamins/supplements. AKA work for some people sometimes.

What does that mean? Well if you want stuff that works its ; AAS, HGH, Insulin. Don't mess around with secretagogues and kisspeptin/gonadtropin/etc. Most peptides for the most part (yes I know insulin can be classified as peptide.) are for dabbling. Capguns compared to cannons.

You have doctors that are ready to get your son on the stuff that 100% works and works fast. Monitoring his bloodwork, adjusting dosage, managing sides, etc. We are all taking the things that are a fraction as powerful way down the chain in most cases.

If you were in the same boat but couldn't afford care or something similar I would be saying head to the dark side. Get on Meso , get a plan together with a Dr and UGL your way to some serious gear. I wouldn't recommend any peptides.

Thanks so much.

 

[yrrdead]

Thanks so much.

I would also say you could go over to MesoRX, there are a lot of really smart dudes over there that live and breath this stuff(AAS,HGH,etc). Will give you a much different perspective from guys/gals that know a ton more than me.

 

[ascension]

People are promoting garbage for the same reason they always have ...... money, whether for clicks/views/affliate links.

In regards to secretagogues (cjc+ipa), you are correct that it is relatively safe. That being said it isn't 100% safe, it is from an unknown maybe untested source and in your case as a healthy 18yr old literally won't do anything or worse will hurt your growth.

Thanks for the advice I do appreciate it, only reason I was looking in to it was to speed up muscle building whilst also losing fat faster. Although I am already progressing in my lifts just very slowly but I will keep that pace for now. Thanks.

 

[ascension]

I would also say you could go over to MesoRX, there are a lot of really smart dudes over there that live and breath this stuff(AAS,HGH,etc). Will give you a much different perspective from guys/gals that know a ton more than me.

Id love to get an opinion on this from the guys at MesoRX too, but I am having trouble finding the site could you link it or point me the right direction?

 

[yrrdead]

Meso Rx

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Meso rx' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

Just a warning they can be a little harsh so...chin up.

 

[lessthanhalf]

Hi. I was just searching our forum for this, as I found out my 15.5 yr old son has delayed puberty/ growth b/c pituitary gland not functioning due to impaired GH signaling. Low FSH, Very low Test, Low IGF-1, low IGF-BP3.

We're going through this with his primary and endocrinologist. They've talked hormone therapy. I recently discovered peptide world. My son, who has been small for a while now has been wanting Test and others so he can catch up to his friends.

Don't worry, we will stay under medical advice, but if there was no help, could test jumpstart him? I'm fascinated this is even an option. Poor dude's been asking me to get him peptides for six months now. Thanks in advance.

The effects of hormonal therapy on epiphyseal closure are definitely a specialised area of medicine. Additional testosterone could , after conversion to estradiol cause the growth plates to close and reduce maximum adult height rather than increase it , doing this at that age with those issues without expert advice, and knowing bone age would not be a good idea. Endocrinologists are not generally going to treat people to maximise adult height unless that height is significantly lower than normal, and parents and adolescents might not always appreciate their conservatism on this issue, but given that he has reduced GH and its downstream signalling they might want to supplement with GH. And testosterone can be used to jumpstart puberty and they will most likely want to do that at some point if it is not going to happen on its own which sounds likely , but this is not my area of expertise and it is theirs. I would also suggest chatgpt as a useful source of information, but it might be a good idea to prompt it with instructions to not agree with you unless there is evidence, and to back up its statements with evidence you can check, at least that is what I do when asking for medical information.

 

[Zydeceltico]

chatgpt.......but it might be a good idea to prompt it with instructions to not agree with you unless there is evidence, and to back up its statements with evidence you can check, at least that is what I do when asking for medical information.

This. I do exactly the same thing andI have found that it matters - A LOT.

 

[Calm Logic]

Meso talks about growth plates too but not much at all. At least a couple threads with 18 and 19 year olds asking about compounds are deleted. Same concerns though, like with estrogen causing fusion sooner than later:

https://www.thinksteroids.com/community/threads/first-cycle-test-only.134429455/post-3481651

If you’re still developing, taking T could have some benefits as well as drawbacks. One drawback is it’s likely to stop you from growing any taller. The mechanism being that e2 fuses growth plates. This means that men are not tall; women are just short. A distinction without a difference.

I had a few friends who stopped getting taller at 20, so it’s possible you could get taller still.

 

[Not_Your_Dad]

I second everything that's been said, but if you decide to do this, I'd suggest getting the CJC and Ipa separately. The blends, IMO, end up with way too much Ipa. When I run it next I'll probably go 10:1 CJC:Ipa.

 

[Nerker]

What does the endocrinologist say? e.g.

"Would a low-dose testosterone 'jumpstart' be appropriate now, or do we risk premature growth plate fusion?" "Can we use hCG to stimulate his own testosterone production instead of using exogenous testosterone?" "Can we perform a 'Bone Age' X-ray to see exactly how much time we have left before his growth plates fuse?" "Is his growth failure primarily a GH deficiency or a gonadotropin (FSH/LH) deficiency, and which one needs to be addressed first to maximize his final height?"

Those questions are from Google Gemini. You can also use Gemini to find another pediatric endocrinologist if you don't like the current one. But this can never be DIY with a minor. It is too complicated medically (not to mention legally).

As with adults, one concern is too much estrogen from TRT. But at such a young age, extra estrogen can cause the growth plates to fuse too soon.

The effects of hormonal therapy on epiphyseal closure are definitely a specialised area of medicine. Additional testosterone could , after conversion to estradiol cause the growth plates to close and reduce maximum adult height rather than increase it , doing this at that age with those issues without expert advice, and knowing bone age would not be a good idea. Endocrinologists are not generally going to treat people to maximise adult height unless that height is significantly lower than normal, and parents and adolescents might not always appreciate their conservatism on this issue, but given that he has reduced GH and its downstream signalling they might want to supplement with GH. And testosterone can be used to jumpstart puberty and they will most likely want to do that at some point if it is not going to happen on its own which sounds likely , but this is not my area of expertise and it is theirs. I would also suggest chatgpt as a useful source of information, but it might be a good idea to prompt it with instructions to not agree with you unless there is evidence, and to back up its statements with evidence you can check, at least that is what I do when asking for medical information.

Thanks. I'm glad this gang has collective wisdom.