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rustle said:
I'm aware that it comes from China; I like that they do more than test for purity. I purchased direct from China once but don't feel comfortable doing it again
What I’m saying is that I have good reason to believe that they are not necessarily testing a sample from the batch that your vial came from

You MIGHT be better off ordering a kit and sending one of the vials to be tested yourself. At least you’ll know that the vial being tested came from the same kit. However, even then, you can’t be sure that all of the vials in your kit came from same batch.
 
deleted.user.18 said:
Oh? How does Janishik’s add-on for header changes and duplicate reports work then? Curious.
I've been explained that header changes are done by the Chinese vendor that is supplying the peptides.

Vendor makes a batch, sends vials to Jano for testing. Then, when a reseller buys the peptides from the Chinese vendor in bulk, they pay the vendor a fee to be forwarded to Janoshik. The Chinese vendor supplies Jano with the new name and pays the fee. So there is no interaction between the reseller and Janoshik.
 
peptideusername said:
I've been explained that header changes are done by the Chinese vendor that is supplying the peptides.

Vendor makes a batch, sends vials to Jano for testing. Then, when a reseller buys the peptides from the Chinese vendor in bulk, they pay the vendor a fee to be forwarded to Janoshik. The Chinese vendor supplies Jano with the new name and pays the fee. So there is no interaction between the reseller and Janoshik.
The end result is a vendor COA that has USA resellers name on it.

Same end result to the buyer. Buyer thinks "ABC USA Peptide" send off vials to get tested, which they never did. Your splitting hairs doesn't invalidate end user experience, lack of 3p testing, or USA reseller adding any measure of safety or authenticity to end user / consumer.
 
frankpeptid said:
The end result is a vendor COA that has USA resellers name on it.

Same end result to the buyer. Buyer thinks "ABC USA Peptide" send off vials to get tested, which they never did. Your splitting hairs doesn't invalidate end user experience, lack of 3p testing, or USA reseller adding any measure of safety or authenticity to end user / consumer.
I didn’t make the quoted comment, but it’s not splitting hairs.

The quoted comment is part of a subchain that began as a response to a post that could be construed as a serious accusation besmirching Janoshik’s business reputation publicly. That can result in a lawsuit. The quoted comment was prudent.
 
Retazempic said:
I didn’t make the quoted comment, but it’s not splitting hairs.

The quoted comment is part of a subchain that began as a response to a post that could be construed as a serious accusation besmirching Janoshik’s business reputation publicly. That can result in a lawsuit. The quoted comment was prudent.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 
Retazempic said:
I didn’t make the quoted comment, but it’s not splitting hairs.

The quoted comment is part of a subchain that began as a response to a post that could be construed as a serious accusation besmirching Janoshik’s business reputation publicly. That can result in a lawsuit. The quoted comment was prudent.
Hehe… you said besmirch…
 
Skydweller007 said:
I am seeing more and more pop-up ads on social media where single vial seller companies are advertising US-made peptides. Kind of curious who these makers are because when you go on discord or telegram or even on this forum, nobody talks about US made suppliers/vendors. Who are these vendors?? lol

You can find the US manufacturers right next to the unicorns.
 
frankpeptid said:
The end result is a vendor COA that has USA resellers name on it.

Same end result to the buyer. Buyer thinks "ABC USA Peptide" send off vials to get tested, which they never did. Your splitting hairs doesn't invalidate end user experience, lack of 3p testing, or USA reseller adding any measure of safety or authenticity to end user / consumer.

It’s not splitting hairs — this is a very different ethical situation. There’s a big gap between Janoshik allowing anyone who didn’t purchase a test to pay for a name change or buy a COA outright (without sending in a sample), versus Janoshik allowing the original test purchaser to pay for edits to the report header.

Janoshik already relies on the purchaser to provide the header info — name, product, quantity, source, etc. The lab doesn’t verify that data to my knowledge; they just receive it by email and then test the corresponding vial. In that context, charging a small fee to edit header details isn’t unethical. It’s actually mostly normal practice from a proofing perspective. The only data Janoshik certifies is the test results of what was in the vial they were sent.

But this also highlights why tests done by a lab or reseller aren’t really true third-party tests. The “third party” (the lab) isn’t choosing the sample — the vendor or client is. That means they could have a stockpile of product with variable purity and send only the one clean vial for testing. There’s a whole chain of unknowns between the lab, wholesaler, reseller, and you. So what does that COA really prove?

The only result that actually matters is the one from a sample you send, tested under your name. Even then, if you test one vial out of ten, all you know is that one vial is clean — not the rest. The ideal method would be to take a small portion from each vial and test either the combined sample or each one separately, though that’s probably not practical, possible or safe. If anyone’s found a safe, realistic way to do that, I’d love to hear it.

As for the report header itself — the lab will list whatever information you provide, and they’ll update it if you ask (unless they suspect something misleading or unethical, as I just noticed in their “more info” documentation; maybe I misunderstand that).
 
frankpeptid said:
The end result is a vendor COA that has USA resellers name on it.

Same end result to the buyer. Buyer thinks "ABC USA Peptide" send off vials to get tested, which they never did. Your splitting hairs doesn't invalidate end user experience, lack of 3p testing, or USA reseller adding any measure of safety or authenticity to end user / consumer.
I wasn't splitting hairs, I was correcting your incorrect information with some nuance. I wasn't trying to invalidate anything.

Grass is green, water is wet, and yes - everyone is obviously entitled to their own opinion. But they're not entitled to their own facts. And the fact is that you can't just pay Janoshik to change the header of a test result because you want to.

If you have a complaint about their process, don't bitch at me. Feel free to send your complains here: [email protected]
 
peptideusername said:
This is 100% not how it works. Careful throwing accusations out there like that.
Agreed! This sounds like someone got at the tail end of the Grapevine Game.

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peptideusername said:
I wasn't splitting hairs, I was correcting your incorrect information with some nuance. I wasn't trying to invalidate anything.

Grass is green, water is wet, and yes - everyone is obviously entitled to their own opinion. But they're not entitled to their own facts. And the fact is that you can't just pay Janoshik to change the header of a test result because you want to.

If you have a complaint about their process, don't bitch at me. Feel free to send your complains here: [email protected]

I don't have to take your word for it or email janoshik. I know exactly the process already since I've got it directly from them. The point remains, many USA vendor resell their peptides with a rebranded header, without ever sending in their own inventory for testing, piggy backing off vendor COA for mere $30 fee, slap their label on it and called it "Made in USA" and markup for 10-20x. Pathetic. And I don't think Janoshik should allow it either.. but hey, whatever. The average consumer / person is unaware of this process, unfortunately.
 
deleted.user.18 said:
It’s not splitting hairs — this is a very different ethical situation. There’s a big gap between Janoshik allowing anyone who didn’t purchase a test to pay for a name change or buy a COA outright (without sending in a sample), versus Janoshik allowing the original test purchaser to pay for edits to the report header.

Janoshik already relies on the purchaser to provide the header info — name, product, quantity, source, etc. The lab doesn’t verify that data to my knowledge; they just receive it by email and then test the corresponding vial. In that context, charging a small fee to edit header details isn’t unethical. It’s actually mostly normal practice from a proofing perspective. The only data Janoshik certifies is the test results of what was in the vial they were sent.

But this also highlights why tests done by a lab or reseller aren’t really true third-party tests. The “third party” (the lab) isn’t choosing the sample — the vendor or client is. That means they could have a stockpile of product with variable purity and send only the one clean vial for testing. There’s a whole chain of unknowns between the lab, wholesaler, reseller, and you. So what does that COA really prove?

The only result that actually matters is the one from a sample you send, tested under your name. Even then, if you test one vial out of ten, all you know is that one vial is clean — not the rest. The ideal method would be to take a small portion from each vial and test either the combined sample or each one separately, though that’s probably not practical, possible or safe. If anyone’s found a safe, realistic way to do that, I’d love to hear it.

As for the report header itself — the lab will list whatever information you provide, and they’ll update it if you ask (unless they suspect something misleading or unethical, as I just noticed in their “more info” documentation; maybe I misunderstand that).

You wrote the best, in my opinion, that appears in the thread. However, based upon the screenshot posted by @frankpeptid, it appears one has request the additional names on the CA when placing the order with Janoshik.

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I get that 99% (or whatever) of resellers get their peps from China, but what about the compounding pharmacies? Do they get raw from China and then mix it with the fillers in US? Or do they get lyophilized like we do? Or do they actually manufacture the peps? Or...what?
 
grizpat said:
I get that 99% (or whatever) of resellers get their peps from China, but what about the compounding pharmacies? Do they get raw from China and then mix it with the fillers in US? Or do they get lyophilized like we do? Or do they actually manufacture the peps? Or...what?
It becomes a little more complicated when it comes to compounders, but essentially most of them are doing much the same thing you are, except with a few extra middlemen in the process to "do the laundry" and make the raw powder (which they get in bags, buckets, and barrels instead of vials) from China legit. There are a handful of manufacturers in China and other countries that are FDA "approved" to produce APIs, but that supply chain has various restrictions that limit who can source from them. Then there are the smaller compounders, medspas, and independent doctors who do exactly what you're doing and buy kits of vials from China.

"Legit" compounders (hopefully) have specialized facilities, equipment, and procedures to deal with raw powder, but a number have also been shut down for some really sketchy shit (like ACA, Ousia, and others whose names escape me) that makes the stuff we do look professional.
 
Skydweller007 said:
I am seeing more and more pop-up ads on social media where single vial seller companies are advertising US-made peptides. Kind of curious who these makers are because when you go on discord or telegram or even on this forum, nobody talks about US made suppliers/vendors. Who are these vendors?? lol
Although not a “vendor”, I’ve used WatsonBio here in Houston for everything except Sema and Reta because the setup costs for those are significantly higher than grey market considering I’m on .2 and .7 mg/wk. Not sure why so many people don’t seem to believe American peptide synthesis labs are capable of producing their own peptides but to each their own.
 
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