替拉帕肽叠加疗法使用者：你添加的哪一种肽效果最显著（以及你后悔尝试的哪一种）？

[gurbert]

I like Reta for sure. It's been life changing, so far. As for non-GLP peptides, I'm not sure because I haven't tried them all yet. In the running would be Epitalon and NA Semax. Mots-C really kicked my ass today in a good way, but I may save that one for when I need to fight bears or jump from building to building. I thought SS-31 was a dud, feels-wise, but if it prepared me for Mots-C and the blast I got today, then it certainly did it's job. KPV is a keeper, so is TA-1 and Selank.

So I guess haven't found one that I would say never again. I do think if you are older, you feel them more because they are designed optimize aspects of your metabolism, brain signaling pathways and immune system. If you don't have that damage (yet), or deficiency, you may not feel the impact. You can't optimize an already optimal system.

Did your lab rat try subQ selank or it prefers sprays? Is it a combo of Semax/Selank... or started one at a time.

This lab rat is currently on day 3 of Selank subq and will probably go for another ~3 weeks and then swap to nasal and check the difference.

The rats not sure if it wants to also try Semax soon.

 

[Jellybelly54]

I’ve tried 30 different peptides! Hahah! (I just did a count) . Probably the ones I’ve noticed the most were the mitochondrial peps like MOTS-C , SS-31, AICAR and 5A1MQ and of course NAD+. Out of all of those NAD+ gives the most bang for the buck. Will elevate my resting HR by 10 though! A 50 mg IM shot of NAD feels a little like what morphine feels like when being pushed IV….you feel your breath being taken away. It’s a little unnerving at first.

Probably the least noticeable in effect would be any of the Khavison bioregulators: prostamax, Cartalax , Cortagen are the ones I’ve tried . Maybe they are doing something?? I just haven’t noticed any benefits . I honestly notice nothing on BPC157 even on high doses and that’s from multiple different suppliers.

The GHRH/GHRP did nothing. I ran tesa , ipa and Kisspeptin and did pre and post testosterone levels and my testosterone actually went down! Not the effect I was hoping for. Not sure the trade off of extra GH and IGF-1 was worth it at all??

Probably the worst injection by far has been the KLOW . Painful, red , soreness for days with each shot! For something that was supposed to lower inflammation I got the opposite result. Maybe my KLOW was one of the fake ones with blue dye instead of Cu?

 

[AlexSilver]

Probably the worst injection by far has been the KLOW . Painful, red , soreness for days with each shot! For something that was supposed to lower inflammation I got the opposite result. Maybe my KLOW was one of the fake ones with blue dye instead of Cu?

Normal ISR from GLOW/KLOW. Try doubling your BAC water. Higher dilution seems to work for a lot of folks. And me.

 

[homebrew]

NAD+ was the biggest game changer in my stacks I've used with Tirz.

Upped my energy, cleaned out the brain fog and generally treats me very well. Makes getting up and moving throughout the day much easier.

I want to believe that NAD+ ups energy and cleans out brain fog, but I honestly can't tell. 50mg subQ 3x/week. 71 yrs young - Should I be feeling something?

 

[FarmgirlRebel]

I want to believe that NAD+ ups energy and cleans out brain fog, but I honestly can't tell. 50mg subQ 3x/week. 71 yrs young - Should I be feeling something?

I would think you'd be feeling something...but you are not the first person I've heard say that they didn't feel anything on NAD+. I've been running NAD+ for awhile now, and I don't really notice the effects like I did at the beginning as I think my NAD levels are better. So perhaps your NAD levels weren't as depleted as mine (I had sepsis shock back in 2023 that has lingering health issues)??

However, I did plan to go off of NAD+ for 6 weeks and run a different peptide stack that I wanted to get a clear reading on w/o NAD interference. I lasted not even a month, started feeling wilted. Brang NAD+ back on board and it was like getting a big hug from an old friend.

 

[Chili777]

Did your lab rat try subQ selank or it prefers sprays? Is it a combo of Semax/Selank... or started one at a time.

This lab rat is currently on day 3 of Selank subq and will probably go for another ~3 weeks and then swap to nasal and check the difference.

The rats not sure if it wants to also try Semax soon.

Mine liked them both via IN. The sprays were almost immediate onset and lastest 3-4 hours and it's easy to just take a couple more for added support. I am going to try Sq next cycle and compare, but I'll always have the sprays in my rat toolkit

 

[swimmer]

When I was losing my last 10 lbs, I was on 20 mg tirz every 5 days. I wanted to stop losing muscle. I added Tesa/Ipamorelin 1mg/150 mcg right after workouts. 5 days on 2 off. It was a game changer. I actually started gaining muscle and continued to lose weight. I still cycle it : 12 weeks on 8 weeks off.

I am currently finishing the 14 week NAD, ss31, mots-c protocol. I did not notice anything for the first 6 weeks. Around week 7, I started to notice definite memory and reaction time improvment. It was crazy! When something would fall off the table, my hand would shoot out and catch it like I was 20 again. I recently started timing the nad+ shot in the early morning before a very physical work day and I notice definite improvement. Way less fatigue on a 15 hour day! The changes from the protocol were very gradual but very pronounced. I hope the changes last after I stop next week.

 

[DjJoshua]

I’ve tried 30 different peptides! Hahah! (I just did a count) . Probably the ones I’ve noticed the most were the mitochondrial peps like MOTS-C , SS-31, AICAR and 5A1MQ and of course NAD+. Out of all of those NAD+ gives the most bang for the buck. Will elevate my resting HR by 10 though! A 50 mg IM shot of NAD feels a little like what morphine feels like when being pushed IV….you feel your breath being taken away. It’s a little unnerving at first.

Probably the least noticeable in effect would be any of the Khavison bioregulators: prostamax, Cartalax , Cortagen are the ones I’ve tried . Maybe they are doing something?? I just haven’t noticed any benefits . I honestly notice nothing on BPC157 even on high doses and that’s from multiple different suppliers.

The GHRH/GHRP did nothing. I ran tesa , ipa and Kisspeptin and did pre and post testosterone levels and my testosterone actually went down! Not the effect I was hoping for. Not sure the trade off of extra GH and IGF-1 was worth it at all??

Probably the worst injection by far has been the KLOW . Painful, red , soreness for days with each shot! For something that was supposed to lower inflammation I got the opposite result. Maybe my KLOW was one of the fake ones with blue dye instead of Cu?

I have not tried NAD+ It's on my China wish list of things to get. I'm in the same boat, GHK-cu does burn a bit but that trick with adding BAC water I posted does work for me. Thank you for your info.

 

[Jellybelly54]

我最近买了一些缓冲磷酸盐溶液，用于我的 ARA290，顺便说一下，它能很好地溶解 ARA。我上次配制 KLOW 时，先在 BAC 水中加入约 0.5 毫升缓冲磷酸盐溶液，然后再加入 2 毫升 BAC 水进一步稀释。（一瓶 KLOW，4.5 毫升 BAC 水和 0.5 毫升 PBS，总体积为 5 毫升）。目前为止没有出现 ISR 或疼痛，所以我希望这次能解决问题，因为 KLOW 可不便宜！

 

[DjJoshua]

当我减掉最后10磅的时候，我每5天服用20毫克替拉唑。我当时想阻止肌肉流失。于是我在每次锻炼后立即注射1毫克/150微克的替拉唑/伊帕瑞林，服用5天，停2天。这彻底改变了我的情况。我竟然开始增肌，体重也继续下降。我现在仍然采用这种循环疗法：服用12周，停8周。

目前我正在完成为期14周的NAD+、SS31和MOTS-C方案。前6周我没有任何感觉。大约在第7周，我开始明显感觉到记忆力和反应速度的提升。这简直太神奇了！当东西从桌子上掉下来时，我的手会像回到20岁一样迅速地伸手接住。最近，我开始在一天高强度工作之前，清晨注射NAD+，我明显感觉到了改善。即使工作15个小时，疲劳感也大大减轻！这个方案带来的变化非常渐进，但却非常显著。我希望在我下周停止工作后，这些改变还能继续保持下去。

这信息很有 用 。我之前用MOTS-c和SS-31做了一个疗程，大概一个月，现在打算休息一下，然后再重新开始。你用了多久？是每天都用，还是周末休息？我现在用的是不含DAC的CJC，今天刚收到一些伊帕瑞林。

 

[latviantower]

我不喜欢普通 GLOW 或 KLOW 的注射部位反应 (ISR)，而且我一直觉得它们的配比不太理想。我看到的大多数建议都针对这三种（KLOW 是四种）成分的注射液。例如，TB500 建议每周使用两次，而 BPC 可以每天使用 2-3 次。我的解决方法是购买这三种注射液的套装，并在注射前将它们一起抽取到同一个注射器中。这样做最大的好处是，先抽取 GHK，再抽取其他两种，可以缓冲铜的刺激，几乎完全消除刺痛感。我的 GHK 和 TB500 套装也用得更久了！

 

[DjJoshua]

我最近买了一些缓冲磷酸盐溶液，用于我的 ARA290，顺便说一下，它能很好地溶解 ARA。上次我配制 KLOW 时，我在 BAC 水中加入大约 0.5 毫升缓冲磷酸盐溶液，然后又加入 2 毫升 BAC 水进一步稀释。目前为止没有出现 ISR 或疼痛，所以我希望这次能解决问题，因为 KLOW 可不便宜！

你可能已经掌握了重组技巧。KLOW 的其他感觉如何？有没有明显的恢复效果或抗炎作用？

 

[DjJoshua]

我不喜欢普通 GLOW 或 KLOW 的注射部位反应 (ISR)，而且我一直觉得它们的配比不太理想。我看到的大多数建议都针对这三种（KLOW 是四种）成分的注射液。例如，TB500 建议每周使用两次，而 BPC 可以每天使用 2-3 次。我的解决方法是购买这三种注射液的套装，并在注射前将它们一起抽取到同一个注射器中。这样做最大的好处是，先抽取 GHK，再抽取其他两种，可以缓冲铜的刺激，几乎完全消除刺痛感。我的 GHK 和 TB500 套装也用得更久了！

没有ISR，耐受性更好，这才是真正的 胜利 ！！

 

[Jellybelly54]

你可能已经掌握了重组技巧。KLOW 的其他感觉如何？有没有明显的恢复效果或抗炎作用？

Not noticing anything to be honest but I’ve only taken a couple of shots since coming up with the new reconstitution solution. ? I have my wife doing a 20 day run of it to see if that will improve her energy and stop some hair loss she has been having while on the TIRZ and TRT. Honestly, I think her hair loss was from the TRT. Her dumbass provider has majorly overdosed her on the testosterone! On Her last labs her total testosterone was almost 200! I don’t understand these idiots and their damn pellets! I’m pretty sure a woman shouldn’t have a testosterone at 200! I’m thinking that her hair loss is likely from the DHT effect of the testosterone. I figured getting her on some of the KLOW with the copper will likely be beneficial.

 

[swimmer]

This is the protocol I followed except for 1 week I took off when I was out of the country and the 1 time I injected 250 mg of NAD+ so I would not have to bring remaining vial through customs on a different international trip.

 

[DjJoshua]

This is the protocol I followed except for 1 week I took off when I was out of the country and the 1 time I injected 250 mg of NAD+ so I would not have to bring remaining vial through customs on a different international trip.

Wow, that is a interesting read, I'm going to have to spend some time on this pdf.

 

[MsGizmo]

I'm trying to protect muscle and maybe accelerate things without messing up progress.

What's the single peptide you stacked with Tirz that gave you the biggest noticeable win? (E.g., faster stubborn fat melt like belly/visceral, better muscle preservation, improved recovery/energy/sleep, skin glow/recovery boost, etc.) Bonus points if you share rough dosing or how long it took to kick in!

And on the flip side what's one you added and regretted? (Sides like water retention, blunted food noise suppression, no real difference, injection overload, or just not worth the hassle/money?)

Thank you.

KLOW.

I started taking it in hopes of reducing the amount of sagging skin I end up having, but it has done so much more for me.

Less joint pain

Eliminated back pain

Less inflammation

When I took a break from taking it my weight loss stalled out. Now that I am taking it everyday again the stall is broken. Maybe a coincidence perhaps .. but inflammation is tied to weight gain and that could be something I've had a problem with all along and just didn't know it.

The other stuff that I've purchased

NAD+ - Seems to have improved my sleep

SS-31 - No noticeable effect

MOTS-c - I haven't started this yet (on schedule for a few weeks from now)

Epitalon - I haven't started this yet (on schedule for 2 months from now)

Ipamorlin - I haven't taken this, didn't know about the CJC DAC/no DAC thing. I regret this purchase, but perhaps might buy some CJC and try it at a later date. I might also try taking it on its own. Dunno.

 

[randompersonrandom]

My only "regret" one currently is MOTS-C. My last dose of that was more than thirty days ago, and I still have two injection site lumps. I really do believe they're fading and will eventually be gone, but the fact that I can still locate both of them if I poke around is kinda upsetting.

 

[Jellybelly54]

This is the protocol I followed except for 1 week I took off when I was out of the country and the 1 time I injected 250 mg of NAD+ so I would not have to bring remaining vial through customs on a different international trip.

That’s a Pretty popular protocol floating around here and other places on the Net. You have to be a patient bugger on that protocol! 14 weeks is a long time! The 100mg NAD dosages are up there. Anyone doing this I would be interested to see their HR changes over the 14 weeks. I would expect the resting HR to go up.

 

[swimmer]

That’s a Pretty popular protocol floating around here and other places on the Net. You have to be a patient bugger on that protocol! 14 weeks is a long time! The 100mg NAD dosages are up there. Anyone doing this I would be interested to see their HR changes over the 14 weeks. I would expect the resting HR to go up.

I am not sure if this protocol bumped up my heart rate or not but the Tessamorelin/Ipmorelin definitely does. At 2 mg/300mcg it bumped up more than 15 bpm. That freaked me out so I dropped it to 1mg/300mcg which bumps it up about 10 bpm. Mazdutide bumps it up a little too. The Mots-c gave me big lumps the first couple of shots. I started diluting each shot more. I am doing 1ml with the 5mg mots-c and I don't get any ISR anymore.