Results for the heart too.
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Test, HGH, Var cycle
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When I post studies or FDA warnings, I'm being alarmist. So I posted from Meso instead.
But if someone wants studies (which you obviousy don't), there are plenty of them, such as discussing "myocardial damage at the microscopic level:"
Not to mention the guy at Meso in his 30s who did have a heart attack. He survived to talk about it, but there was a death from heart failure. From that thread:
If I wanted to go supra for "results," the least unsafe option would seem to be just taking more test. Or for a safer option (with less dramatic results), taking enclo instead (if not having eye floaters as a side effect, such as from using "enclo" from India that is actually clomid). HCG could be used with either, with religious testing of estrogen level.
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But if someone wants studies (which you obviousy don't), there are plenty of them, such as discussing "myocardial damage at the microscopic level:"
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Not to mention the guy at Meso in his 30s who did have a heart attack. He survived to talk about it, but there was a death from heart failure. From that thread:
From a discussion about "mild" primo:quoted said:
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If I wanted to go supra for "results," the least unsafe option would seem to be just taking more test. Or for a safer option (with less dramatic results), taking enclo instead (if not having eye floaters as a side effect, such as from using "enclo" from India that is actually clomid). HCG could be used with either, with religious testing of estrogen level.
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This thread is getting hilarious. We are all injecting ourselves with sketchy Chinese research compounds that have minimal to no testing done on them and mostly no actual human research for the compounds themselves. But a mild pharmacy grade anabolic is what we need to be scared of? Take whatever you want.… or don’t…. Everyone knows that everything we are doing here comes with a risk, be it steroids or peptides.
@Calm Logic You made your point that you don’t condone the use of AAS’s. Obviously people don’t care for your opinion in the section dedicated to them. So I don’t know why this argument is going in circles. I asked for opinions, you gave yours. I saw it and didn’t respond because I don’t agree with everything said. Then you reiterated it. Then again and again. We get it, steroids are bad. Let’s move on.
@Calm Logic You made your point that you don’t condone the use of AAS’s. Obviously people don’t care for your opinion in the section dedicated to them. So I don’t know why this argument is going in circles. I asked for opinions, you gave yours. I saw it and didn’t respond because I don’t agree with everything said. Then you reiterated it. Then again and again. We get it, steroids are bad. Let’s move on.
I was talking to my buddy and we were laughing about how much we love Reta and I said “it’s the best”. And he said, no, test is the best. I said, other than yoga pants for Asian chicks, it’s probably the best invention in the world. Some of us just love it and accept the risks (how ever you want to manage them). And throw in HGH, and you have the trinity. And we again manage and accept the risks. I still vote, though, for saving VAR for a 6 week stretch to dry out for a peak look….Tbagger said:
Anavar may help with aesthetics, but it absolutely helps with strength and definition with little to no water retention, so it can definitely have benefits in 6-8 week cycles with little downside when paired with test. Just like all drugs, it has it's place, just can't abuse it!Gt3294a said:
You not even technically wrong on that.timfa said:The people at meso are clowns they got on me for saying HGH won’t build significant muscle and I got banned
Please be advised that because of the chemical structure of this, you aren’t preventing liver toxicity by letting it dissolve in your mouth. Furthermore, you are still going to be swallowing some just from normal swallowing.d0se1 said:
Did you get your labs back? I just took mine today and am planning to do 1IU HgH when I have my base line and then ramp up monthly once I find where I get sides.aquis said:
By the way Tb, one thing to note, starting HGH made my appetite go through the roof the first few weeks. I guess that is the higher metabolism rate. But since you are cutting, just an FYI to possibly be ready for.Tbagger said:
I'm already planning on stepping up my reta to compensate. I didn't know GH increased hunger, but I figured the anavar would.Gt3294a said:
2 weeks in to my cycle. Test-c 250mg/wk, HGH 2iu/day (bumping to 3 next week), Anavar 10mg/day. So far the results are about as expected. My pumps are better than they have ever been. I am able to push a bit harder and have been hitting some PR's. My recovery feels better and I'm able to get back to the same muscle groups faster than normal. Scale says my BF is dropping and lean muscle is rising by small but meaningful margins. So far, no real visual body recomp changes that I have noticed but I'm not expecting major results from a baby cycle like this. Overall I am happy so far. Depending on my bloodwork post cycle, I plan in running this again in the fall but maybe upping the anavar to 20mg and gh to 4iu.
Did you notice an increase in your appetite, like your metabolism picking up?Tbagger said:
Test your liver enzymes and lipid values ASAP and often. Better safe than sorry, especially since you don't plan to do liver ultrasounds later.Tbagger said:
Liver values like AST and ALT can be tested with GoodLabs with a $4 hepatic function panel or a $5 complete metabolic panel (CMP), plus their draw fee of $12 for Quest. A lipid panel is $8 with Quest using GoodLabs.
I have been starving the last week even at 8mg Reta.Gt3294a said:
Yeah, I did too. I think that is a good sign for things to come.Tbagger said:
Yes, as stated multiple times, I am meticulous about my bloodwork andCalm Logic said:
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