Shortness of breath when working out on MOTS-C

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I usually take MOTS-C 20-30 minutes before my workout. I have noticed that sometimes during my workout, I get a really bad shortness of breath. It seems to happen most on big days (Legs/Back). After a while, it subsides, but I'm curious if anybody else is having this reaction? When are you taking your MOTS-C?

I don't do large doses of MOTS-C like some do, either. I take 1-2 mg/day.
 
jmon1977 said:
I usually take MOTS-C 20-30 minutes before my workout. I have noticed that sometimes during my workout, I get a really bad shortness of breath. It seems to happen most on big days (Legs/Back). After a while, it subsides, but I'm curious if anybody else is having this reaction? When are you taking your MOTS-C?

I don't do large doses of MOTS-C like some do, either. I take 1-2 mg/day.
Have you tried taking in first thing in the morning pal ?
 
jmon1977 said:
I usually take MOTS-C 20-30 minutes before my workout. I have noticed that sometimes during my workout, I get a really bad shortness of breath. It seems to happen most on big days (Legs/Back). After a while, it subsides, but I'm curious if anybody else is having this reaction? When are you taking your MOTS-C?

I don't do large doses of MOTS-C like some do, either. I take 1-2 mg/day.
I’m doing 2.5 mg every other day and am having zero issues- my wife is going 3 mg with no issues either.

I’d try a lower dose and see if that persists, you could be a “cheap date” as far as Mots goes, or it could be something else that is manifesting itself. 🙏
 
I'm taking 4 mg every other day, and I don't notice that. I live at altitude and I've noticed that it's doesn't bother me anywhere near as much on pin days. I can run up 3 flights of stairs and my recovery is almost immediate.
 
I'm the opposite, I run every morning before work with my dog, and it seems as though I can run faster, than I did before the mots-c.

My Fitbit has my v02 max increased from 39 to 43

I have more wind than I did previously
 
Turbo-Farmer said:
I'm the opposite, I run every morning before work with my dog, and it seems as though I can run faster, than I did before the mots-c.

My Fitbit has my v02 max increased from 39 to 43

I have more wind than I did previously
You take the MOTS right before you run? I don't do high intensity cardio, so I can't compare. If I take it on non-workout days, it doesn't bother me. It's really only when I take it just before moving a lot of weight. I'll probably just have to start dosing well before my workout.
 
jmon1977 said:
You take the MOTS right before you run? I don't do high intensity cardio, so I can't compare. If I take it on non-workout days, it doesn't bother me. It's really only when I take it just before moving a lot of weight. I'll probably just have to start dosing well before my workout.
I run every day, I haven't missed a day in 30 months. My dog wouldn't let me miss a day, out the door rain or shine every morning. So what ever I do it's around that. It's easier for me to run up the mountain in the woods behind my house than make it to the gym.
 
jmon1977 said:
I usually take MOTS-C 20-30 minutes before my workout. I have noticed that sometimes during my workout, I get a really bad shortness of breath. It seems to happen most on big days (Legs/Back). After a while, it subsides, but I'm curious if anybody else is having this reaction? When are you taking your MOTS-C?

I don't do large doses of MOTS-C like some do, either. I take 1-2 mg/day.

jmon1977 said:
I usually take MOTS-C 20-30 minutes before my workout. I have noticed that sometimes during my workout, I get a really bad shortness of breath. It seems to happen most on big days (Legs/Back). After a while, it subsides, but I'm curious if anybody else is having this reaction? When are you taking your MOTS-C?

I don't do large doses of MOTS-C like some do, either. I take 1-2 mg/day.

Turbo-Farmer said:
I run every day, I haven't missed a day in 30 months. My dog wouldn't let me miss a day, out the door rain or shine every morning. So what ever I do it's around that. It's easier for me to run up the mountain in the woods behind my house than make it to the gym.
MOTS C Killed My Workouts — Here’s Why

MOTS C is supposed to give you an energy boost when taken before a workout. But sometimes I experienced the opposite? I had to dig into the biology to understand what was happening, I learned MOTS C must be used in the right context with what’s going on in your body.

MOTS C = AMPK Stressor

MOTS C activates AMPK, the same cellular energy stress pathway triggered by exercise.

•When you train hard, you stress your mitochondria.

•That stress activates AMPK.

•AMPK then drives adaptation for better mitochondrial efficiency, improved fuel use, and sometimes a mid workout surge of energy, an AMPK shift.

But There’s a Limit: Overtraining

Anyone who has overtrained knows the feeling: you show up at the gym, your body simply won’t go. You’re fatigued, sluggish, and weaker than the day before.

Your AMPK has been over stressed and hasn’t recovered. Mitochondria have an upper limit to how much AMPK activation they can handle before they push back and say, “enough.”

What Stresses AMPK?

•Intense or high frequency exercise

•Calorie deficit / fasting

•Drugs like metformin (used for diabetes and sometimes longevity)

•MOTS C itself

Each one is manageable on its own. But stacking them is where things go wrong.

My Mistake: I Was Stacking Everything

I did all the following at the same time:

•Intense, frequent workouts

•A mini cut with sustained calorie deficit

•Metformin for longevity

•And then I added MOTS C on top

I could have gotten away with one of these plus MOTS C, but not all of them together: That’s a full contraindication for MOTS C because it pushes AMPK past its recovery capacity.

The Results Were Ugly

I had to quit my workout halfway through. I simply had no energy. An hour later, I bent down to pick something up and straightened up and got lightheaded and dizzy.

Those are classic signs of AMPK over activation and insufficient recovery.

How to Combine MOTS C With Exercise

MOTS C is not a free energy boost. Because it activates the same AMPK pathway as hard training, it works best when paired with days where your recovery is solid, your calories aren’t deeply restricted, and you’re not stacking other AMPK stressors. Use MOTS C only on well fed, well rested training days. Keep the signal in the “adaptive” zone instead of the “overstressed” zone, when your mitochondria have the bandwidth to respond, rather than piling stress on top of stress.
 
Researcher6076 said:
MOTS C Killed My Workouts — Here’s Why

MOTS C is supposed to give you an energy boost when taken before a workout. But sometimes I experienced the opposite? I had to dig into the biology to understand what was happening, I learned MOTS C must be used in the right context with what’s going on in your body.

MOTS C = AMPK Stressor

MOTS C activates AMPK, the same cellular energy stress pathway triggered by exercise.

•When you train hard, you stress your mitochondria.

•That stress activates AMPK.

•AMPK then drives adaptation for better mitochondrial efficiency, improved fuel use, and sometimes a mid workout surge of energy, an AMPK shift.

But There’s a Limit: Overtraining

Anyone who has overtrained knows the feeling: you show up at the gym, your body simply won’t go. You’re fatigued, sluggish, and weaker than the day before.

Your AMPK has been over stressed and hasn’t recovered. Mitochondria have an upper limit to how much AMPK activation they can handle before they push back and say, “enough.”

What Stresses AMPK?

•Intense or high frequency exercise

•Calorie deficit / fasting

•Drugs like metformin (used for diabetes and sometimes longevity)

•MOTS C itself

Each one is manageable on its own. But stacking them is where things go wrong.

My Mistake: I Was Stacking Everything

I did all the following at the same time:

•Intense, frequent workouts

•A mini cut with sustained calorie deficit

•Metformin for longevity

•And then I added MOTS C on top

I could have gotten away with one of these plus MOTS C, but not all of them together: That’s a full contraindication for MOTS C because it pushes AMPK past its recovery capacity.

The Results Were Ugly

I had to quit my workout halfway through. I simply had no energy. An hour later, I bent down to pick something up and straightened up and got lightheaded and dizzy.

Those are classic signs of AMPK over activation and insufficient recovery.

How to Combine MOTS C With Exercise

MOTS C is not a free energy boost. Because it activates the same AMPK pathway as hard training, it works best when paired with days where your recovery is solid, your calories aren’t deeply restricted, and you’re not stacking other AMPK stressors. Use MOTS C only on well fed, well rested training days. Keep the signal in the “adaptive” zone instead of the “overstressed” zone, when your mitochondria have the bandwidth to respond, rather than piling stress on top of stress.
That's very informative and an interesting read. I wouldn't say the MOTS-C has been killing my performance. I do progressive overload and am still hitting PRs regularly. It really is just a shortness of breath and usually after big compound lifts (which I typically do 1st in my workouts). I have since switched from taking it immediately pre-workout to a couple of hours pre-workout and it seems to have alleviated the issue.
 
jmon1977 said:
That's very informative and an interesting read. I wouldn't say the MOTS-C has been killing my performance. I do progressive overload and am still hitting PRs regularly. It really is just a shortness of breath and usually after big compound lifts (which I typically do 1st in my workouts). I have since switched from taking it immediately pre-workout to a couple of hours pre-workout and it seems to have alleviated the issue.
As someone who tested as pre-diabetic, I'm super carefull about metformin or anything which may lower blood sugar. My PCP recommend that I don't mix metformin with tirzepatide as your blood sugar level may go too low. I still have a over a years worth in my medicine cabinet because I couldn't handle the side effects.

Recent research has come out that metformin may negate some of the benefits of aerobic exercise.

These counteracting effects are thought to happen because metformin acts on mitochondria to reduce oxidative stress, which ironically acts to block the cellular adaptations (such as increased mitochondrial activity) that exercise encourages.

See attached NIH article below my summary

Key Benefits Negated by Metformin:

Aerobic Fitness & Fitness Gains: Participants combining exercise with metformin showed reduced VO2max (aerobic capacity) improvements, indicating limited progress in cardiovascular fitness.

Vascular Function: Metformin reduces the improvements in blood vessel dilation and blood flow, which are crucial for lowering blood pressure and enhancing muscle insulin sensitivity.

Cardiometabolic Health: The combination may hinder improvements in insulin sensitivity, reduce fat mass loss, and limit the reduction of inflammatory markers and fasting glucose levels.

Muscle Adaptations: Metformin can inhibit mitochondrial adaptations and slow muscle hypertrophy in response to resistance training, particularly in older adults.

Metformin inhibits mitochondrial adaptations to aerobic exercise training in older adults
 
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