A CPT that is admittedly on PED’s isn’t my source for health advice. I’m sure you have @zpped and I would suggest others consider the source as well, but that’s my opinion.zpped said:
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"but thats not right. your body not being able to lose weight is either caused by you eating like an asshole and having no self control( which is fixable) OR its because something is wrong with your body and theres a 90% chance there is medication that can fix your body so you dont need the GLP forever."PackmanJohnny said:
I was responding to this^ which is very insulting. I did not dismiss HRT, I am saying getting it properly treated can be a very challenging long term process. The Food noise that can come as a result, along with depression, and crazy fast weight gain all make weight management so much harder after 50. You make it seem like people like me are just lazy and stupid.
These all-knowing millennials…desinr-gal said:
Don’t let them get you too wired up! Keep doing you!!
PackmanJohnny said:
The notion that people only fail to lose weight because they “eat like an asshole” is not only ignorant but completely dismisses decades of research showing the complexity of obesity, appetite regulation, and metabolic adaptation. If it were simply about “self control,” the obesity epidemic wouldn’t exist.
GLP1s do address the underlying biology i.e satiety hormones, slowed gastric emptying, and neuroendocrine pathways, things no amount of “willpower” can magically override long term. These medications arent just bandaids they’re the first real tool that treats obesity as the chronic relapsing condition it is.
Also, waving your hand and saying “90% chance there’s another medication that fixes it” is baseless and misleading, obesity is multifactorial genetics, hormones, environment, behavior. But pretending a doctor can just hand out some magic nonGLP pill is fantasy.
What’s actually harmful is shaming people for needing a longterm intervention. Nobody criticises diabetics for staying on insulin or hypertensive patients for lifelong blood pressure meds yet somehow obesity patients are expected to fix themselves with grit and kale? Give me a break
I keep my cake on the shelf above my Mounjaro shots in the fridge. Like an asshole a normal person I eat cake whenever I feel like it. I ate cake my entire weightloss. I'm maintaining at 10 lbs below goal.
Is really funny that he supports HRT (hormone replacement therapy) but doesn't realize that GLP-1s are hormones as well.desinr-gal said:
Damn. A forum for people who want to make damn sure they are never cut off from glp-1 drugs is not the place where I thought I'd see someone claiming that people gain weight because they are assholes who don't care about their bodies. I'd be pretty pissed about that, but ever since I gained access to a drug that gives me what I've always dreamed of (the ability to eat moderately without that being a constant fight every day of my life that no matter how badly I wanted to, I just never won in a way I could maintain long-term, and also that drug takes five minutes once a week to be on), I'm in an awfully good mood.
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I don't, im just clarifying theres a difference between someone who only uses a GLP for appetite suppression vs someone using it to overcome effects of a larger diagnosis, and that the latter has risk for greater harm in the long term. Im not applying a moral lense to anything, just my two cents.zpped said:
MsGizmo said:
Sure - I cant give you exact %'s of who has a health problem and who doesn't, but health data in America indicates a steep uptick in obesity and related issues with the introduction of processed and super calorie dense/nutrient enriched foods. And while doctors cant give official %'s, every major governing board of physicians agree the steep rise is primarily due to dietary makeup and environment. More than happy to cite this if your google is broken.
Honestly? I havent applied that descriptor to anyone. You're the one taking personal offense over a generalized statement. If we stress harm reduction as being important, then its worth noting that you could be harming yourself if you take a GLP and dont treat conditions that can have more serious consequences. I'm sure you're super responsible, good for you.
Yes GLP's are hormones and theyre a great tool in the toolbox, but they are not the hormones typically implied when mentioning HRT, hence the difference.
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If you are not in that camp, then that doesn't apply to you. You're clearly not in that camp so there is no reason for you to self-associate with those labels. Please dont take offense and be insulted at statements not even directed at you. It's awesome that you are prioritizing getting your health in line, congrats! I hope everything goes well for you.
You're more than welcome to fact check me on any of the observations Ive made but if your gripe with me is that Im honest about PED usage, Im sure you'd rather get honest and quality advice from 'Lifetime natty' sources like Simeon Panda and Mike O'Hearn LOL.BooneDonk said:
Yes, the chemicals that are in our food, INCLUDING FRESH, that we have no say about. And the environment .. another thing that people have no control over.PackmanJohnny said:
Generalized statements apply to everyone.PackmanJohnny said:
Again, YOU don't get to make that distinction. If a hormone fixes something without doing anything else .. then it stands to reason that a person has a hormone imbalance that caused the problem to begin with.PackmanJohnny said:
You're just being honest you say? Well, let me me a little honest with you. You are an uneducated person passing judgements on people with medical conditions that you have no idea about. All while you yourself use the same drugs that they do. Some of them are ones that I personally would find dangerous. But guess what? Its none of my business to tell you what is and is not acceptable. Just like it is none of your business what other people choose to inject themselves with. Not their reasons. Not their dosages. Not for how long they choose to take it.
People are offended because you are being offensive. If you want to talk about YOURSELF and what you are doing about your own health by all means do so. If someone asks for your opinion by all means give it to them according to what they asked. No one asked you anything here. You don't even know enough to know what you don't know.
You being insulting is about you. You shouldnt join a group, if you are not willing and able to be respectful to everyone in that group. All your posts are readable by everyone on this forum.PackmanJohnny said:
Learn restraint, compassion and how to censor your own mind. Read the room, before you speak and write.
MsGizmo said:
If you want to complain about knowledge, you could start with some general reading comprehension - I literally separated the two into people that are attempting to improve their health(which would include every single user on this website by default) and even clarified for you that I was not ascribing that to anyone here.
And I haven't passed judgements on anyone here, and although I'm developing some I will keep them to myself. I do not give a flying fuck what you put into your body, do whatever you like. Better? Cool.
It's an open thread and I commented on a potential issue I see arising with long term usage(which no one has refuted btw). I didnt call you or anyone else here stupid or lazy or anything, you either bruise easily or misread the post or both. If you can actually refute any of the points Ive made Id be all ears - but so far its nothing but ad hom.
desinr-gal said:
I've done my best to be respectful and helpful in my short time here, you're more than welcome to disagree but expecting me to read your mind and know ahead of time you'd be offended over a post not directed at you is silly. Feel free to go back and dig up what you'd like, but my post-to-like ratio doesnt imply that I'm whatever you're dreaming up. If you feel disrespected anyways, Im terribly sorry and hope you know that, as I originally stated, nothing was directed at you.
Here’s my take on it. The content in Johnny’s beginning posts, regarding ‘eating like an asshole’ and ‘having self-control’ etc - to be honest, felt a little direct since it’s in the post that I’m documenting my journey in.PackmanJohnny said:
I can see how it sounded like it was directed at one person (at that time me), and I think this is primarily because of the repeated use of “you” and “your,” which can make it feel like he’s personally criticizing an individual person. Even if that wasn’t the intent, those words can come across as finger-pointing, especially on a sensitive subject like weight. Words like “when one” or “a person,” are used it can have a much broader meaning. It’s all good though. Hopefully, we can all continue to learn from each other
Been on 10mg tirz for a couple weeks now, and just had 4mg left in my vial. So after ordering Cheesecake Factory from Doordash and eating like an asshole, I decided it was a good time to try the Reta. I finished the 4mg tirz and took 0.5mg reta. Interested to see how it does. I was kind of surprised to read here that 0.5mg had that much effect initially. I've been on tirz for a while so not sure how it'll affect me, but figured best to be safe.
Going back to the part about tirz being ineffective after using reta, I'll say without any real scientific evidence, I'd be surprised if that's true. Tirz may not seem as effective after using reta, but I'd be very surprised if it didn't work at all. I've been at a plateau for over 2 months now, and I just want to lose a little more. I imagine if reta works out for me, then once I hit my goal weight, I'd be fine going back to tirz to maintain. All speculation on my part, but we'll see what happens.
Going back to the part about tirz being ineffective after using reta, I'll say without any real scientific evidence, I'd be surprised if that's true. Tirz may not seem as effective after using reta, but I'd be very surprised if it didn't work at all. I've been at a plateau for over 2 months now, and I just want to lose a little more. I imagine if reta works out for me, then once I hit my goal weight, I'd be fine going back to tirz to maintain. All speculation on my part, but we'll see what happens.
There is no reason to believe tirz would be ineffective. It would likely only hold you at whatever weight you would have reached on that dose of tirz though. so if you lost extra weight on reta you would probably regain some of it.esdsafepoet said:
as for your reta dosage, you'll likely need to titrate up to 4-6mg before you see any results since you've been on tirz for a while.
What is your basis for this?zpped said:
That switching back would gain back a little weight? Becuase if you maxed your weight loss on tirz and then used something else to temporarily exceed that limit, why wouldn't you gain it back?desinr-gal said:
But this is purely speculation because it hasn't been tested. And obviously if you weren't actually at your limit of tirz then it doesn't apply.
看来有些人用较低的维持剂量就能达到目标。听起来你好像在说，任何达到目标剂量的人都必须永远保持同样的剂量。zpped said:
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