Reta vs TRZ - hardly seems worth it?

[Justatechdude]

Basically I have like 20 more lbs to drop until I’m at goal weight. I’ve been on a low dose of TRZ, I was considering switching to RETA to help preserve muscle and make it easier to eat enough protein to preserve muscle.

But when I think about long term TRZ stores better and it costs half the price. If I’m thinking long term maintenance wise it seems like TRZ would be the way to go. I’m probably going yo buy a few kits and stock up.

Thoughts?

 

[ambot88]

if you're happy with tirz and nowhere close to max dose I wouldn't see any reason to switch. Stick with what's working.

 

[Jerrey]

Basically I have like 20 more lbs to drop until I’m at goal weight. I’ve been on a low dose of TRZ, I was considering switching to RETA to help preserve muscle and make it easier to eat enough protein to preserve muscle.

But when I think about long term TRZ stores better and it costs half the price. If I’m thinking long term maintenance wise it seems like TRZ would be the way to go. I’m probably going yo buy a few kits and stock up.

Thoughts?

Right there with you I have a fairly large stock pile of Tirzepatide for the same reasoning. I get that Reta is easier to maintain muscle mass but once your on a maintenance dose I'm hoping to dial back the dose and work my way forward from there.

 

[JCO79]

This is my question too. I’m starting off with tirz with a goal of weight maintenance and improving my relationship with food. But I lift weights and am worried about not eating enough and losing muscle. I think I have to give Tirz a solid try first because of the exact advantages you mentioned.

 

[5byfive]

All this thinking that GLPs cause muscle loss makes zero sense. There is nothing to suggest that they do. Calorie deficits cause muscle loss. This can be mitigated (or in some cases negated) by protien intake and resistance training. It is not the GLPs that cause people to lose muscle, its losing weight without taking the actions to support muscle retention. When we are looking at data between Reta and Tirz and muscle loss, it difference probably has more to do with the speed of the loss rather than anything the med is doing to prevent muscle loss.

 

[birdwhacker]

But I lift weights and am worried about not eating enough and losing muscle.

This is nonsense from influencers.

If you want to preserve muscle then eat 1g of protein per pound of your goal weight and lose no more than a pound each week.

I'm not strength training and eating in a 1000 calorie deficit. Don't be like me, and you should be fine.

 

[woundcarping]

All this thinking that GLPs cause muscle loss makes zero sense. There is nothing to suggest that they do. Calorie deficits cause muscle loss...

Being able to almost effortlessly sustain a massive calorie deficit with GLP can lead to a much more catabolic weight loss than simple dieting. While the GLP didn't directly cause the catabolism, it created the conditions for the ignorant (willful or otherwise) to easily lose muscle. It's a bit of a chicken/egg scenario, but without a rooster no eggs turn into chickens.

...When we are looking at data between Reta and Tirz and muscle loss, it difference probably has more to do with the speed of the loss rather than anything the med is doing to prevent muscle loss.

I haven't isn't much data for Reta, but the rumor is it is more muscle sparing, but it does cause more aggressive weight loss which is typically considered to be more catabolic. Clarification that lean mass ≠ muscle mass.

Basically I have like 20 more lbs to drop until I’m at goal weight. I’ve been on a low dose of TRZ, I was considering switching to RETA to help preserve muscle and make it easier to eat enough protein to preserve muscle.

But when I think about long term TRZ stores better and it costs half the price. If I’m thinking long term maintenance wise it seems like TRZ would be the way to go. I’m probably going yo buy a few kits and stock up.

Thoughts?

If you're 20lb away, presumptively that's not that far. I don't see a point in changing if that's the case. I switched from Tirz to Reta after 4 weeks and have been on Reta for going on 18 weeks.

The cost difference of Reta vs Tirz is practically irrelevant, even more so at lower doses.

Unless I get smarter about the long term effects of Reta's GCGR side, I tend to agree that Tirz is probably less taxing long term... I'm not locked in either way for long term maintence, I have plenty of either and have 4-6 months before I'll be nearing maintenance considerations anyways.

 

[Justatechdude]

This is my question too. I’m starting off with tirz with a goal of weight maintenance and improving my relationship with food. But I lift weights and am worried about not eating enough and losing muscle. I think I have to give Tirz a solid try first because of the exact advantages you mentioned.

Yeah I actually had to schedule extra meals because I was losing too fast and it was too hard to eat enough calories in 3 meals. Now I try to do 4 meals of -600 calories each.

I’ll probably just stick to TRZ and maybe have fun with researching CJC, IPA and TESA to supplement strength training once I hit goal weight.

 

[woundcarping]

Yeah I actually had to schedule extra meals because I was losing too fast and it was too hard to eat enough calories in 3 meals. Now I try to do 4 meals of -600 calories each.

I’ll probably just stick to TRZ and maybe have fun with researching CJC, IPA and TESA to supplement strength training once I hit goal weight.

How fast was too fast for you?

 

[Justatechdude]

10 lbs in 3 weeks. I was at 25%BF. Need to lose a 30lbs, strength went way down

 

[Cumulus]

This is nonsense from influencers.

If you want to preserve muscle then eat 1g of protein per pound of your goal weight and lose no more than a pound each week.

I'm not strength training and eating in a 1000 calorie deficit. Don't be like me, and you should be fine.

Lots of studies are saying even less than that to retain muscle. Especially if you are experienced.

Thank god because I am about to take out some loans for a good steak