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So I dont normally take a multivitamin or any supplements at all. Currently taking Reta,Tirz,KLOW and starting tonight HGH.

I eat a lot of protein, salmon, salads with very few refined sugars. Still fat but not 330 ppunds fat, every day is a motherfucking gift yo.

Anyway, I imagine just off the top I should be taking zinc cause of the KLOW, but what else would help me out in my personal health journey, particularly from Costco, but anywhere is good?
 
Gr33dyOctopus said:
So I dont normally take a multivitamin or any supplements at all. Currently taking Reta,Tirz,KLOW and starting tonight HGH.

I eat a lot of protein, salmon, salads with very few refined sugars. Still fat but not 330 ppunds fat, every day is a motherfucking gift yo.

Anyway, I imagine just off the top I should be taking zinc cause of the KLOW, but what else would help me out in my personal health journey, particularly from Costco, but anywhere is good?
I like the Sports Research vitamins at Costco (better pricing than Amazon), maybe get the Multi Vitamin and the B-Complex. Gets you the basics and an extra dose of B-3 (niacin), B6 and B-12
 
I am 70 yo female. I take B12 in a complex (low on lab)Vit d3 ( low on lab)and magnesium for cramps at night. I force myself to eat berries and orange slices for Vitamin C. If you are avoiding fruit or foods high in C you might look at that.( scurvy making a comeback).
 
I'll preface my current stack with the caveat ; similar to most peptides but even less effective. The majority of "supplements" do almost nothing. Especially multivitamins. The most robust longitudinal study I've seen showed no statistical change in mortality over the course of 30 years. Many supplements are underdosed or effective dose is unknown (like unresearched peps). There is also the misconception that if A level is low then taking A supplement/vitamin will increase levels of A in the body. That isn't always/often/ever the way it works.

But (a big but) there is always that guy that is like "I took 3mg of Boron and my Free Test went up 50%" . So on the flip side most of these things are relatively inexpensive and the safety profile for most water soluble oral supplements is pretty good. Therefore it is kind of fun to pill pop for awhile to see if you hit the supplement lottery. It is a very similar rabbit hole to peptides to be honest.

Currently taking; Magnesium glycinate before bed, HMB, Creatine(10g), Zinc Picolinate, Costco Multi, Psyllium Husk, Chicory Root Inulin.

Vendor ; I pretty much stick to Swansons or Costco , avoid Amazon when possible.
 
I wrote this in response to a question on meso where a few people were talking about supplements they were buying from amazon. Not directly related to this question, but I did the research and there are not really many good places online that I found that compile this sort of information, and it might save some people from being ripped off.

After buying 3 different brands of P.E.A. palmitoylethanolamide on amazon US and in all 3 the pills weighed less than the advertised contents ( one weighed 300mg , was meant to have 1400mg of stuff in it ) I did a fair bit of research on what supplements actually had what they advertised inside. Most are just selling you half or so of what they claim to bulk up their profits, some none at all, but some , especially products directed at "mens' issues" are contaminated with PDE5 inhibitors deliberately. No problem with the drug but taking a random amount of any drug unintentionally is a bad idea.

As far as I can tell at least half of all the supplements sold on Amazon US are dodgy, a lot tell you the pill size and you can work out that what they say is in them will not fit in a pill that size. There is no way this is anything other than deliberate intentional fraud. There are few regulations on supplements in the US, Amazon claims their sellers have to provide proof of their contents but there is no evidence of this actually happening, and almost none of the sellers have websites with genuine test results let alone independent third party testing.

iherb is probably a better source, they do not sell most of the brands I am sure are dodgy or think are probably dodgy. Their california gold brand does have test results but despite their claims they are not independently tested, but they get a lot of points for even bothering with the issue and showing any kind of test results.

NOW is a reasonably priced brand that publishes a lot of tests on their products and a lot of other brands, and most fail to have anywhere near the advertised contents. Obviously they have no motive to publish bad results on their own products but the fact that they bother to test anything to me suggests it actually matters to them and they dislike having to compete with companies defrauding their customers.

The biggest giveaway is if the well known brand charges 3 or 5 x the amount that the cheap brand does, then the cheap one is probably dodgy. I have looked up the cost of buying the ingredients in small bulk quantities from china and often they are selling the supplements for less than the cost of the ingredients, definitely applies to urolithin a, astaxanthin and anything fashionable or new.

A good percentage of the expensive ones are fine , the absolute cheapest ones are usually dodgy, finding reasonably priced ones that are probably good is the best you can get usually. Getting a batch COA is never going to happen.

Brands that are ok, and not super expensive as in all or most tests are fine or at least reasonably close are NOW, vitacost, henry blooms, nutricost, neurogan, bulk supplements, best naturals, horbaach, vitamatic, source naturals, swanson, solgar, nutragold,

sonora, kirkland, nootrpic depot, natrol, Jarrow Formulas, Thorne, Pure Encapsulations

This is not meant to be an exhaustive list, and a few of them had results of 70% or so in one test, but were mostly ok.

Trying to list all the bad brands is nearly impossible, if they are new and from the US and don't have a website then it is very likely they are dodgy. If the company has been around for years they are much less likely to be ripping you off. If it has a pile of different compounds or herbs mixed in , say more than 3 or 4 then almost all are massively underdosed at best. If they advertise capsule contents over a gram with more than one component most are dodgy with exceptions for fish oil etc.
 
Check out Now brand Adam multivitamins.

dpsnutrition.net

This site has great prices and a gigantic selection of products.

Hope this helps.
 
lessthanhalf said:
I wrote this in response to a question on meso where a few people were talking about supplements they were buying from amazon. Not directly related to this question, but I did the research and there are not really many good places online that I found that compile this sort of information, and it might save some people from being ripped off.

After buying 3 different brands of P.E.A. palmitoylethanolamide on amazon US and in all 3 the pills weighed less than the advertised contents ( one weighed 300mg , was meant to have 1400mg of stuff in it ) I did a fair bit of research on what supplements actually had what they advertised inside. Most are just selling you half or so of what they claim to bulk up their profits, some none at all, but some , especially products directed at "mens' issues" are contaminated with PDE5 inhibitors deliberately. No problem with the drug but taking a random amount of any drug unintentionally is a bad idea.

As far as I can tell at least half of all the supplements sold on Amazon US are dodgy, a lot tell you the pill size and you can work out that what they say is in them will not fit in a pill that size. There is no way this is anything other than deliberate intentional fraud. There are few regulations on supplements in the US, Amazon claims their sellers have to provide proof of their contents but there is no evidence of this actually happening, and almost none of the sellers have websites with genuine test results let alone independent third party testing.

iherb is probably a better source, they do not sell most of the brands I am sure are dodgy or think are probably dodgy. Their california gold brand does have test results but despite their claims they are not independently tested, but they get a lot of points for even bothering with the issue and showing any kind of test results.

NOW is a reasonably priced brand that publishes a lot of tests on their products and a lot of other brands, and most fail to have anywhere near the advertised contents. Obviously they have no motive to publish bad results on their own products but the fact that they bother to test anything to me suggests it actually matters to them and they dislike having to compete with companies defrauding their customers.

The biggest giveaway is if the well known brand charges 3 or 5 x the amount that the cheap brand does, then the cheap one is probably dodgy. I have looked up the cost of buying the ingredients in small bulk quantities from china and often they are selling the supplements for less than the cost of the ingredients, definitely applies to urolithin a, astaxanthin and anything fashionable or new.

A good percentage of the expensive ones are fine , the absolute cheapest ones are usually dodgy, finding reasonably priced ones that are probably good is the best you can get usually. Getting a batch COA is never going to happen.

Brands that are ok, and not super expensive as in all or most tests are fine or at least reasonably close are NOW, vitacost, henry blooms, nutricost, neurogan, bulk supplements, best naturals, horbaach, vitamatic, source naturals, swanson, solgar, nutragold,

sonora, kirkland, nootrpic depot, natrol, Jarrow Formulas, Thorne, Pure Encapsulations

This is not meant to be an exhaustive list, and a few of them had results of 70% or so in one test, but were mostly ok.

Trying to list all the bad brands is nearly impossible, if they are new and from the US and don't have a website then it is very likely they are dodgy. If the company has been around for years they are much less likely to be ripping you off. If it has a pile of different compounds or herbs mixed in , say more than 3 or 4 then almost all are massively underdosed at best. If they advertise capsule contents over a gram with more than one component most are dodgy with exceptions for fish oil etc.
Wow! Ty for this, its a lot to digest!
 
lessthanhalf said:
I wrote this in response to a question on meso where a few people were talking about supplements they were buying from amazon. Not directly related to this question, but I did the research and there are not really many good places online that I found that compile this sort of information, and it might save some people from being ripped off.

After buying 3 different brands of P.E.A. palmitoylethanolamide on amazon US and in all 3 the pills weighed less than the advertised contents ( one weighed 300mg , was meant to have 1400mg of stuff in it ) I did a fair bit of research on what supplements actually had what they advertised inside. Most are just selling you half or so of what they claim to bulk up their profits, some none at all, but some , especially products directed at "mens' issues" are contaminated with PDE5 inhibitors deliberately. No problem with the drug but taking a random amount of any drug unintentionally is a bad idea.

As far as I can tell at least half of all the supplements sold on Amazon US are dodgy, a lot tell you the pill size and you can work out that what they say is in them will not fit in a pill that size. There is no way this is anything other than deliberate intentional fraud. There are few regulations on supplements in the US, Amazon claims their sellers have to provide proof of their contents but there is no evidence of this actually happening, and almost none of the sellers have websites with genuine test results let alone independent third party testing.

iherb is probably a better source, they do not sell most of the brands I am sure are dodgy or think are probably dodgy. Their california gold brand does have test results but despite their claims they are not independently tested, but they get a lot of points for even bothering with the issue and showing any kind of test results.

NOW is a reasonably priced brand that publishes a lot of tests on their products and a lot of other brands, and most fail to have anywhere near the advertised contents. Obviously they have no motive to publish bad results on their own products but the fact that they bother to test anything to me suggests it actually matters to them and they dislike having to compete with companies defrauding their customers.

The biggest giveaway is if the well known brand charges 3 or 5 x the amount that the cheap brand does, then the cheap one is probably dodgy. I have looked up the cost of buying the ingredients in small bulk quantities from china and often they are selling the supplements for less than the cost of the ingredients, definitely applies to urolithin a, astaxanthin and anything fashionable or new.

A good percentage of the expensive ones are fine , the absolute cheapest ones are usually dodgy, finding reasonably priced ones that are probably good is the best you can get usually. Getting a batch COA is never going to happen.

Brands that are ok, and not super expensive as in all or most tests are fine or at least reasonably close are NOW, vitacost, henry blooms, nutricost, neurogan, bulk supplements, best naturals, horbaach, vitamatic, source naturals, swanson, solgar, nutragold,

sonora, kirkland, nootrpic depot, natrol, Jarrow Formulas, Thorne, Pure Encapsulations

This is not meant to be an exhaustive list, and a few of them had results of 70% or so in one test, but were mostly ok.

Trying to list all the bad brands is nearly impossible, if they are new and from the US and don't have a website then it is very likely they are dodgy. If the company has been around for years they are much less likely to be ripping you off. If it has a pile of different compounds or herbs mixed in , say more than 3 or 4 then almost all are massively underdosed at best. If they advertise capsule contents over a gram with more than one component most are dodgy with exceptions for fish oil etc.
I didn't see this til after I posted. Yes! Thanks for mentioning the testing. I totally forgot to add that part of why I use NOW brand. Them and Nutrabio (but this company is pretty expensive) Do testing and always have great results. There are a lot of shady supplement companies where you can't trust the label. A huge red flag is anything that has proprietary blend in the ingredients label.
 
I’m taking HMB-FA, D3K2-7, Magnesium Glycinate, and test.

Labs showed the need for D and test. Next round of labs coming in a couple weeks, will reevaluate then.
 
Daily: 10g creatine, 2 LMNT packets (Na/K/Mg), D3+K2.

I take others inconsistently, or as needed, symptom dependent. I also cook lamb offal 1x weekly (liver, heart, and/or lung).
 
Gr33dyOctopus said:
So I dont normally take a multivitamin or any supplements at all. Currently taking Reta,Tirz,KLOW and starting tonight HGH.

I eat a lot of protein, salmon, salads with very few refined sugars. Still fat but not 330 ppunds fat, every day is a motherfucking gift yo.

Anyway, I imagine just off the top I should be taking zinc cause of the KLOW, but what else would help me out in my personal health journey, particularly from Costco, but anywhere is good?
Play with maybe a Mu lti vi ta m in maybe to covers gaps a cheap, solid basic and maybe including B vitamins, Omega-3 fish oil, Magnesium (I think Magnesium helped with my headaches when I up my dose of TIRZ.) maybe even a Probiotic (for gut health on slower digestion.

One slick move my wife and I made, we typed out every single pill etc. we take full doses, exact mg strengths, and whether it's AM or PM timing and asked AI to look at it. The insights that popped up were kind of surprising, better synergies, and a few tweaks that just made everything click way better.
 
lessthanhalf said:
I wrote this in response to a question on meso where a few people were talking about supplements they were buying from amazon. Not directly related to this question, but I did the research and there are not really many good places online that I found that compile this sort of information, and it might save some people from being ripped off.

After buying 3 different brands of P.E.A. palmitoylethanolamide on amazon US and in all 3 the pills weighed less than the advertised contents ( one weighed 300mg , was meant to have 1400mg of stuff in it ) I did a fair bit of research on what supplements actually had what they advertised inside. Most are just selling you half or so of what they claim to bulk up their profits, some none at all, but some , especially products directed at "mens' issues" are contaminated with PDE5 inhibitors deliberately. No problem with the drug but taking a random amount of any drug unintentionally is a bad idea.

As far as I can tell at least half of all the supplements sold on Amazon US are dodgy, a lot tell you the pill size and you can work out that what they say is in them will not fit in a pill that size. There is no way this is anything other than deliberate intentional fraud. There are few regulations on supplements in the US, Amazon claims their sellers have to provide proof of their contents but there is no evidence of this actually happening, and almost none of the sellers have websites with genuine test results let alone independent third party testing.

iherb is probably a better source, they do not sell most of the brands I am sure are dodgy or think are probably dodgy. Their california gold brand does have test results but despite their claims they are not independently tested, but they get a lot of points for even bothering with the issue and showing any kind of test results.

NOW is a reasonably priced brand that publishes a lot of tests on their products and a lot of other brands, and most fail to have anywhere near the advertised contents. Obviously they have no motive to publish bad results on their own products but the fact that they bother to test anything to me suggests it actually matters to them and they dislike having to compete with companies defrauding their customers.

The biggest giveaway is if the well known brand charges 3 or 5 x the amount that the cheap brand does, then the cheap one is probably dodgy. I have looked up the cost of buying the ingredients in small bulk quantities from china and often they are selling the supplements for less than the cost of the ingredients, definitely applies to urolithin a, astaxanthin and anything fashionable or new.

A good percentage of the expensive ones are fine , the absolute cheapest ones are usually dodgy, finding reasonably priced ones that are probably good is the best you can get usually. Getting a batch COA is never going to happen.

Brands that are ok, and not super expensive as in all or most tests are fine or at least reasonably close are NOW, vitacost, henry blooms, nutricost, neurogan, bulk supplements, best naturals, horbaach, vitamatic, source naturals, swanson, solgar, nutragold,

sonora, kirkland, nootrpic depot, natrol, Jarrow Formulas, Thorne, Pure Encapsulations

This is not meant to be an exhaustive list, and a few of them had results of 70% or so in one test, but were mostly ok.

Trying to list all the bad brands is nearly impossible, if they are new and from the US and don't have a website then it is very likely they are dodgy. If the company has been around for years they are much less likely to be ripping you off. If it has a pile of different compounds or herbs mixed in , say more than 3 or 4 then almost all are massively underdosed at best. If they advertise capsule contents over a gram with more than one component most are dodgy with exceptions for fish oil etc.
VERY good info!! My personal insight, if it helps: I actually know folks who work at Balance of Nature (they're based right here in my town), and if you're into freeze-dried veggies packed into a pill, they're the real deal no shortcuts or BS. That said, I don't use them myself. I just eat vegetables the old-fashioned way... I make my kids eat 'em..
 
I take a multivitamin. They may be unnecessary depending on your diet. I see it as Low risk and low cost so why not. I also take low dose Vitamin D as my blood work identified low levels. Again cheap and now my levels test normal. I have learned it is very common and easily correctable. I recommend testing Vitamin d to know if you need the supplement.
 
Agree that NOW is a really solid company for supplements. I think it was maybe 10 years ago I was doing some research into a particular supplement and went down a rabbit hole of third party testing sites. Two of the sites I checked tested the NOW brand as rated A or above as actually having the quantity of product noted on the label, and that purity was very good or great.

I also go ahead and hit "buy" if it's something offered by Bulk Supplements or Thorne, for similar reasons (past deep dives).
 
DjJoshua said:
Play with maybe a Mu lti vi ta m in maybe to covers gaps a cheap, solid basic and maybe including B vitamins, Omega-3 fish oil, Magnesium (I think Magnesium helped with my headaches when I up my dose of TIRZ.) maybe even a Probiotic (for gut health on slower digestion.

One slick move my wife and I made, we typed out every single pill etc. we take full doses, exact mg strengths, and whether it's AM or PM timing and asked AI to look at it. The insights that popped up were kind of surprising, better synergies, and a few tweaks that just made everything click way better.
Yep, i have CALM magnesium that i take when I get restless legs or they hurt, fish oil is freaking gross and makes me wanna barf, but multi's. Are totally doable. And yeppers buddy, i run everything I do through ai first. I know a lot of.people dont trust it fully, and they shouldnt, but for basic shit ai is a lifesaver for time and research.
 
DunningKruger said:
Daily: 10g creatine, 2 LMNT packets (Na/K/Mg), D3+K2.

I take others inconsistently, or as needed, symptom dependent. I also cook lamb offal 1x weekly (liver, heart, and/or lung).
2 lmnt packets eh? I bought a bunch of that but sodium in each stick is 1000mg, so I twnd to use them for fasting and not everyday. Im still a fat guy and cant get to crazy w that. Would love to just drink lmnts all day tho
 
Gr33dyOctopus said:
2 lmnt packets eh? I bought a bunch of that but sodium in each stick is 1000mg, so I twnd to use them for fasting and not everyday. Im still a fat guy and cant get to crazy w that. Would love to just drink lmnts all day tho
I have to. I'm reactive to so many plant foods that I follow a mostly carnivore diet. So, I need to get the sodium in somewhere to hydrate those cells to prevent palpatations and keep the electricity working.

I just wish they didn't hide maltodextrin in it under one of their "natural flavours," that sh*t is so bad for your gut health and blood sugar.
 
DunningKruger said:
I have to. I'm reactive to so many plant foods that I follow a mostly carnivore diet. So, I need to get the sodium in somewhere to hydrate those cells to prevent palpatations and keep the electricity working.

I just wish they didn't hide maltodextrin in it under one of their "natural flavours," that sh*t is so bad for your gut health and blood sugar.
Take a look at Micro Ingredients , lower sodium high potassium , stevia sweetener. The grape flavor is pretty amazing (if you like grape). You too @Gr33dyOctopus if you are looking for an electrolyte with lower sodium.
 
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