Needle Safety

[deleted.user.18]

Actually, that part was the part that I was initially worried about also, but as I continued doing it and nothing happened then my fear kind of went away. I do however agree that it is not probably advisable to do so, and perhaps not even smart to do so, but for some reason I wasn't scared enough to not do it. Most likely I'll start using only one needle per one day for however many pinning's or different peptides I'll pin for that day.

I know a bunch of others have weighed in here… but I wanted to specifically address what’s happening when you do this, and why even alcohol wipes are not going to help much. Even when wiped with alcohol, reusing insulin needles remains unsafe from a medical standpoint. Alcohol reduces surface microbes but does not sterilize; bacteria in deeper skin layers, hair follicles, or airborne contaminants can still enter during injection. Once a needle penetrates the skin, it carries microscopic tissue and bacteria into the syringe and any vial it punctures. The sterile coating is lost after one use, and the metal tip develops microscopic burrs that trap biological material resistant to disinfection. These contaminants can seed bacterial growth in medication vials or subcutaneous tissue, leading to abscesses, cellulitis, or systemic infection. Evidence-based medical practice is unequivocal: insulin needles are single-use devices.

They are cheap. The lack of sterile practice will catch up with you eventually. It’s a terrible example for anyone reading your post.

 

[Fisherman2356]

These contaminants can seed bacterial growth in medication vials or subcutaneous tissue, leading to abscesses, cellulitis, or systemic infection. Evidence-based medical practice is unequivocal: insulin needles are single-use devices.

I'm merely saying what I'm doing and I'm not suggesting that others should do the same. Having said that there is so many other things that medical research is against of or they consider it dangerous if used/done yet practically speaking it is totally fine. Case in point using meds post expiry date. I am one of those people that self-medicates. Have over 30 most popular meds in my house and about 1/2 of them have expired and I use them often (some daily). BTW, I have never been sick in my life and have NEVER been to a doctor in my whole adult life. Last I visited a doctor was when my parents took me to one at 14, I'm 59 btw.

As an example, I had metformin that had expired in 2017, eight years ago and literally I finished the last batch couple months ago.

These contaminants can seed bacterial growth in medication vials or subcutaneous tissue, leading to abscesses, cellulitis, or systemic infection.

This I'm ZERO concerned about (as previously mentioned I'm not suggesting others follow my lead) because if NONE of this has happened for over 2 years that I've started peptides, what makes one think that all of the sudden it will happen now/today. The thing that I'm more concerned about is if the vials may be somewhat compromised/contaminated and lose some of their effectives. The way I look at it if abscesses, cellulites or infections have not happened for over 700 days that I've been doing it this way daily, something tells me that I'll be totally fine for the next 70,000 days (just calculated it to be next 191 years LOL).

 

[Fisherman2356]

hate this for you. I think you're worth a new syringe or a new pen needle for every pin. If you keep doing this, then I hope you continue to get very lucky and never get sick

Honestly it has absolutely NOTHING to do with money, and you are right the syringes are dirt cheap, plus I'm relatively ok as far as money goes, but I'm cooked this way LOL. If something does not make sense to me, I just go against it and that applies for everything and anything not just meds and syringes. I literally wouldn't give a damn if 1/2 of the world died by reusing the syringes I would still do it lol. It simply one of those things that I couldn't care how many papers or studies were done and concluded one way or the other, I would still NOT consider it to be dangerous to use the same pin more than once into my own body.

I also hope you ultimately decide to do whatever you'd do for someone you loved very much if you were pinning them and not yourself.

This is very interesting now that you put it this way. As an example, I would NOT allow or suggest this to my amazing and beautiful daughter even if the cost of syringes was 50-fold so I guess you do have a point LOL. By same talking I am not and would NOT suggest that anyone reading my posts to do it. I'm simply stating what I'm doing and if anyone does the same and it's working for them that is fine. To me bottom line is whatever you do and works you should keep doing it and not change a thing.

 

[ostrichsak]

I'm merely saying what I'm doing and I'm not suggesting that others should do the same. Having said that there is so many other things that medical research is against of or they consider it dangerous if used/done yet practically speaking it is totally fine. Case in point using meds post expiry date. I am one of those people that self-medicates. Have over 30 most popular meds in my house and about 1/2 of them have expired and I use them often (some daily). BTW, I have never been sick in my life and have NEVER been to a doctor in my whole adult life. Last I visited a doctor was when my parents took me to one at 14, I'm 59 btw.

As an example, I had metformin that had expired in 2017, eight years ago and literally I finished the last batch couple months ago.

This I'm ZERO concerned about (as previously mentioned I'm not suggesting others follow my lead) because if NONE of this has happened for over 2 years that I've started peptides, what makes one think that all of the sudden it will happen now/today. The thing that I'm more concerned about is if the vials may be somewhat compromised/contaminated and lose some of their effectives. The way I look at it if abscesses, cellulites or infections have not happened for over 700 days that I've been doing it this way daily, something tells me that I'll be totally fine for the next 70,000 days (just calculated it to be next 191 years LOL).

Dude, using expired meds is NOT the same thing as these other practices you've described. Not even in the same galaxy in terms of risk profile.

In most all cases, using expired meds (assuming tablet/capsule form here) may result in a lowered efficacy at worst. You do realize that the people who are being aggressive towards you aren't doing so out of any personal vendetta, right? They're trying to impress upon you just how dangerous your actions really are.

What you're describing is a hell you do NOT want to be in. Sure, the odds of getting some life-threatening antibiotic-resistant bacteria are very low but statistics are worthless if you end up with it.

The stuff you're doing is just dumb. No polite way to say it. And that's just the stuff you're bold enough to admit publicly.

This isn't the wearing a mask or not wearing a mask debate we're talking about. This is a real danger, it really happens to real people and what you're describing is EXACTLY how it happens. Your sample size of 700 days for one RS is laughably low. Like, I've been driving a whole year now and haven't had a single car accident so I guess I don't need that pesky seat belt anymore type laughable.

Also, you said it's not about money. What's it about then? What sort of weird machismo example are you trying to prove? Help me understand the upside to this wildly risky behavior that's easily avoidable through using readily available, simple & easy to follow best practices.

Man, if you really feel like leading the charge on testing to better mankind at least choose a worthy cause to die for that we can actually learn from. If the things you've said ends up taking you out (I really hope this isn't the case, BTW) everyone is just going to go: "Duh. Darwinism in action." and nothing will be learned because everyone else knows already through previous human "tests" before we knew better. Centuries ago.

I think the issue people here are taking with it is that dumbasses like yourself do dumb shit and end up dead. Then their loved ones are left to sweep up the pieces. Most will assign blame. Before you know it, gray market peptides did this to him and something must be done to stop it! If it saves just one life! and similar idiocy will follow.

In the end, you're American and I dig the American spirit but there's just better things to die for than poor syringe/needle practices my friend. Ultimately, if you want to do dumb shit... go for it. Just don't post about it publicly because I don't want someone else to think it's wisdom.

 

[YoYoFat]

I do plenty of things I choose not to discuss here because I refuse to be responsible for someone thinking it's safe when I understand the risk I'm taking and choose to take it anyway. As a tame example, I use my bac until it's empty. I'd never talk about using a needle for multiple days even if I was comfortable doing it myself. I'd never stick myself with a needle that's been in multiple vials- the whole reason I use pens is I'm a baby with dull needles and some vendors have really thick stoppers.

Exact same. I use the BAC until it’s empty but I would never even CONSIDER reusing an insulin needle.

 

[YoYoFat]

In the US there are about 350,000 deaths per year from sepsis and the majority are from bacterial infections.

There's a surefire 15¢ prevention tool...a new syringe.

What Fisherman is going is vile and dangerous. If this forum is really concerned about harm reduction, they should not allow his narrative of reusing needles to perpetuate throughout this place.

 

[YoYoFat]

Honestly it has absolutely NOTHING to do with money, and you are right the syringes are dirt cheap, plus I'm relatively ok as far as money goes, but I'm cooked this way LOL. If something does not make sense to me, I just go against it and that applies for everything and anything not just meds and syringes. I literally wouldn't give a damn if 1/2 of the world died by reusing the syringes I would still do it lol. It simply one of those things that I couldn't care how many papers or studies were done and concluded one way or the other, I would still NOT consider it to be dangerous to use the same pin more than once into my own body.

Well, that says it all. Even when presented with proof of the danger of what you’re doing, you’d still do it.

BTW, heroin addicts think it’s okay to just wipe off a needle and reuse it for days or weeks too. But at least they’re drawing their product from a fresh spoon of product, not injecting their own body material into vials they effectively culture for bacterial growth in their fridge.

 

[Fisherman2356]

What you're describing is a hell you do NOT want to be in. Sure, the odds of getting some life-threatening antibiotic-resistant bacteria are very low but statistics are worthless if you end up with it.

The stuff you're doing is just dumb. No polite way to say it. And that's just the stuff you're bold enough to admit publicly.

Interesting. you guys have managed to actually convince me to only use one needle per day. As per not using same needle to pin myself more than once in the same sitting/day, I'm sorry can't bring myself to accept that, and I'll continue doing it my way. And that has Absolutely nothing to do with the cost and absolutely everything to do with what I consider it to be totally stupid the thinking that a needle that I just pinned myself with right now, will somehow be dangerous to me if I use it again (on myself) after 30 seconds(after I have wiped it with alcohol few more times already). I hope you guys don't take it as me arguing for the sake of arguing, just simply stating that I'm one of those people that will not just do something because other say so, or even science says so. I will NOT change my mind come hell or high water. Just the way I am! Not telling you or anyone to follow my practice nor am I claiming that my way is the best practice. Simply put I'm 100% convinced that my method is 100% risk free for me. Others should absolutely do what makes them comfortable doing and follow professional advice. I'm a financial executive and have Zero medical credentials other than before I take e medication or adapt a certain method i do a lot of research (i place more credence on personal experiences from many "not just one person" that just say science)

I think the issue people here are taking with it is that dumbasses like yourself do dumb shit and end up dead and then their loved ones are left to sweep up the pieces and most will assign blame. Before you know it, gray market peptides did this to him and something must be done to stop it! If it saves just one life!

The ad hominem here is a bit uncalled for, as I have mentioned more than ten times now that people should not follow my advice. I'm simply telling it how I do it. BTW, I do feel that buying gray from internet, from sources that are 1000's of miles away, and produced in facilities that might have never been inspected (by a reputable government agency) is way more dangerous/risky than using a disinfected needle more than once on myself. Even so I/we seem to be willing to take that risk. to each their own!

 

[ostrichsak]

Interesting. you guys have managed to actually convince me to only use one needle per day. As per not using same needle to pin myself more than once in the same sitting/day, I'm sorry can't bring myself to accept that, and I'll continue doing it my way. And that has Absolutely nothing to do with the cost and absolutely everything to do with what I consider it to be totally stupid the thinking that a needle that I just pinned myself with right now, will somehow be dangerous to me if I use it again (on myself) after 30 seconds(after I have wiped it with alcohol few more times already). I hope you guys don't take it as me arguing for the sake of arguing, just simply stating that I'm one of those people that will not just do something because other say so, or even science says so. I will NOT change my mind come hell or high water. Just the way I am! Not telling you or anyone to follow my practice nor am I claiming that my way is the best practice. Simply put I'm 100% convinced that my method is 100% risk free for me. Others should absolutely do what makes them comfortable doing and follow professional advice. I'm a financial executive and have Zero medical credentials other than before I take e medication or adapt a certain method i do a lot of research (i place more credence on personal experiences from many "not just one person" that just say science)

The ad hominem here is a bit uncalled for, as I have mentioned more than ten times now that people should not follow my advice. I'm simply telling it how I do it. BTW, I do feel that buying gray from internet, from sources that are 1000's of miles away, and produced in facilities that might have never been inspected (by a reputable government agency) is way more dangerous/risky than using a disinfected needle more than once on myself. Even so I/we seem to be willing to take that risk. to each their own!

This isn't a case of "feels" or comfort. You're quite literally playing Russian Roulette (can we still call it that in 2025?) but the bullets are dangers you can't see and are most certainly just as deadly... only it's far more painful and expensive before you die.

When you assign a number like "100%" to risk free it doesn't make it any more true. In fact, that statement couldn't be any more false. It's not a case of if it will happen should you continue your practices but when. No matter how loudly you beat your chest as you scream at the clouds to stop raining.

There is nothing endearing about your stance of idiocy. Being loud wrong doesn't make it any less wrong. Not understanding how your own cells work when they're no longer living isn't important if you just follow widely accepted protocols created by people who do. These people are scientists and they do actually understand the mechanisms by which dangers antibiotic resistant bacteria grow. Based on your chosen activities, you clearly don't. You've been fooled into a false sense of security for something that may not be as simple as just taking an oral antibiotic to cure and many people die from it. Daily.

Look, I don't know you. You may be an intelligent human although current evidence has me leaning strongly in the opposite direction. You are exhibiting the behaviors that of an idiot, however. These behaviors are 100% idiotic and that's a statistic that applies in the context it's used. The fact that you are re-doubling down on some of the wildest stuff I've heard anyone admit to is only further compounding the issue. Imagine being this loud wrong on something this dangerous. It genuinely feels like you're a plant to saw the wildest stuff to get people engaging.

I really didn't think we'd be arguing with someone in 2025 about the dangers that exist even though they can't see them. Like it's 100 years ago and people don't understand the world of bacteria and viruses. The saying "Bits of cadaver" comes to mind. Ultimately some people's sole existence really is just to serve as an example for those of us who are wise enough to learn from their mistakes. No matter how obvious or how many times those mistakes have bene made previously.

 

[Fisherman2356]

BTW, heroin addicts think it’s okay to just wipe off a needle and reuse it for days or weeks too. But at least they’re drawing their product from a fresh spoon of product, not injecting their own body material into vials they effectively culture for bacterial growth in their fridge.

Well, have ZERO experience not only with heroin/drug addiction but any addictions at all. I am very strong willed and have absolutely no problem telling/making myself quit something that I know is dangerous. I used to smoke in very early years and stopped it cold turkey over 30 years ago when I researched and was convinced that smoking was very dangerous for health.

Well, that says it all. Even when presented with proof of the danger of what you’re doing, you’d still do it.

The way I think of it is what may seem like proof to someone may mean nothing to someone else. We are all different and react/behave differently to certain actions and/or even medications. Case in point, many of you/people think that running a marathon is such a great triumph/achievement and for me I swear in Jesus Christ that even if you literally offered me $1Million I would NOT do it, not because I think it is dangerous (thou it is to some degree) but it is so stupid and feeds into the sheep/herd mentality that I can't bring myself to accept/do it. To make the matters worse I consider all those that participate/run a marathon (the ones that are not professional runners or not doing it to professionally compete) as being very stupid people. Same goes for people that do bungy jumping for example. Again, this goes on to show that we are all different, and act/react differently. Hopefully this will ease some of you guys' concerns, or at very least makes you understand/accept my point of view which is to say we are all different and act/react differently. Nothing wrong with that.

Again, NOT to brag (and hopefully I'm not jinxing it) but I'm almost 60 and have NEVER been sick, nor have I ever visited a doctor. I'm in perfect health, feel same as in my 30's and look at least 10-15 years younger. I am very comfortable in my methods/beliefs and would NOT change a thing. After all, why should I? Very few of you (my uneducated guess is actually no one of you) can claim the same, to have Never been sick, and to have never visited a doctor, and to be in perfect health (I do however run my own very detailed labs now yearly, used to do every five years before I reached 55).

 

[tsomah]

Mate it's all about odds. With your actions you are increasing the odds of getting an infection for virtually no benefit. It's time to play the lottery as you seem to be a lucky chap.

 

[Fisherman2356]

What Fisherman is going is vile and dangerous. If this forum is really concerned about harm reduction, they should not allow his narrative of reusing needles to perpetuate throughout this place.

Hahahaaa Let's crucify him, this is exactly why I refuse to fall inline or be "same" as everyone else. It's perfectly fine with me to be 100% opposite you and your views. I'll leave it at that.

 

[ostrichsak]

I am very strong willed and have absolutely no problem telling/making myself quit something that I know is dangerous.

All evidence to the contrary.

It's quite odd that you chose to listen to all of the data about how dangerous cigarettes were for your health and yet selectively choose to ignore even more data about how dangerous reusing needles is. Far more dangerous acutely, in fact. You seem to think this is some sort of opinion that's open for debate. There is literally nobody in the medical community on the side of "reusing needles is perfectly safe" so you're not taking up a cause that is still up for debate. You're not showing uncommon bravery in the face of a bunch of wussies the way you seem to be painting this. It cannot be stated how incredibly reckless and foolish this behavior is. The fact that you're ignorant to all of the reasons (they're out there if you actually want to learn) doesn't make it any less so.

Still waiting for the alleged upside to this choice.

 

[Fisherman2356]

t's quite odd that you chose to listen to all of the data about how dangerous cigarettes were for your health and yet selectively choose to ignore even more data about how dangerous reusing needles is. Far more dangerous acutely, in fact. You seem to think this is some sort of opinion that's open for debate.

It wasn't just data. I knew couple people that died in early 50's from lung cancer (and were smokers). I literally have never heard nor known someone that got sick from using/reusing a needle. That is not to say it doesn't happen, it simply means I have never heard nor witnessed a case.

Still waiting for the alleged upside to this choice.

Zero upside, especially if you believe that there are risks associated with it. For me it is just a matter of principle and NOT doing what everyone else does or says. The way I approach things I always do a lot of research and reading about any issue and then I come up with my own a conclusion (may not even be right, and most definitely not one that you may like). Once I make up my mind about something I feel very comfortable about my decision, accepting even the risks (usually very low if any, especially with using same needle more than once). Other than that, I'm very open minded and love other people's perspectives, but that will only help me to come to my own conclusions and not serve as cause for changing my mind. LOL, that's why the world is such a beautiful place because we are all different and I love the fact it is this way. You may need to look inwards if you happen to have a problem with people that differ or think differently than you, no matter how outlandish their stance may seem to you.

 

[ostrichsak]

It wasn't just data. I knew couple people that died in early 50's from lung cancer (and were smokers). I literally have never heard nor known someone that got sick from using/reusing a needle. That is not to say it doesn't happen, it simply means I have never heard nor witnessed a case.

Zero upside, especially if you believe that there are risks associated with it. For me it is just a matter of principle and NOT doing what everyone else does or says. The way I approach things I always do a lot of research and reading about any issue and then I come up with my own a conclusion (may not even be right, and most definitely not one that you may like). Once I make up my mind about something I feel very comfortable about my decision, accepting even the risks (usually very low if any, especially with using same needle more than once). Other than that, I'm very open minded and love other people's perspectives, but that will only help me to come to my own conclusions and not serve as cause for changing my mind. LOL, that's why the world is such a beautiful place because we are all different and I love the fact it is this way. You may need to look inwards if you happen to have a problem with people that differ or think differently than you, no matter how outlandish their stance may seem to you.

The problem here is that you think this is a Ford vs. Chevy debate rather medical fact that has been proven via scientific method for centuries. It's one of the known pillars of proper needle use since the dawn of needle use. It's not a handful of wussies with an opinion you don't agree with on the the world wide web. This is a goofy hill that you're choosing to die on, maybe literally.

Statements that you've made similar to what's in bold above are a clear & present danger to anyone else reading this who seems to think that this is sage wisdom to follow. This advice is some of the stupidest advice I've seen on this forum and it's a gray market peptides forum. Think about that statement for a minute.

I urge anyone who reads posts by Fisherman2356 to please just disregard them. This person(?) has clearly demonstrated that their data points are dangerous and shouldn't be followed in any way, shape or form.

I just can't comprehend the utter disregard for things that can and do absolutely kill people daily because.... Why was it again? Oh yeah.... "zero upside" is the motivation. Yeah, this all makes logical sense to me as someone who has nothing to lose or gain by anything you do.

You seem to not understand the dangers. A few of us are trying to help you see that the dangers are indeed there and they are real. Then, if you at least understand what the dangers are and still choose highly risky behaviors, at least it was an informed decision. This idea that you're fine after less than 2 years and don't know anyone who has had an issue personally makes it "safe" would be laughable if it won't so dangerous.

That said, my motivation is no longer to help you understand something you are entirely blind to but to make sure that others aren't harmed by your ignorance on this topic. I truly wish you the best but that feels a bit pointless if you insist on regularly partaking in known reckless activities with no known upsides. That's the thing about Russian Roulette, you can choose to not play.

 

[Fisherman2356]

You seem to not understand the dangers. A few of us are trying to help you see that the dangers are indeed there and they are real. Then, if you at least understand what the dangers are and still choose highly risky behaviors, at least it was an informed decision. This idea that you're fine after less than 2 years and don't know anyone who has had an issue personally makes it "safe" would be laughable if it won't so dangerous.

I do appreciate everyone's experiences and opinions, a lot actually (experiences more so than opinions thou). My only thing is I can't accept someone else's view or opinion, being that of scientist and/or specialized doctors either. I have to feel comfortable and ultimately come up with my own conclusion even though I absolutely listen and consider other people's (and scientific) opinions but can't take it at face value. As an example, I personally know two people that died because either doctors misdiagnosed them (one of them) or failed to appropriately and timely diagnose them (the other one). I've also read somewhere that there are roughly 90,000 deaths per year due to doctor errors/misdiagnoses.

I would venture to guess that even yourself agrees I'd NEVER be part of that statistic. I might however become part (Highly doubtful) of a different statistic thou.

There have literally been cases where I have told people NOT to accept their doctor's opinion and I was right. One of people close to me was told they had a very dangerous condition and to start treatment/medication immediately. I told them to give me three days and NOT do anything for those three days. After a lot of research and reading, (some cases I specifically reached out and spoke to couple people), I came to the conclusion that the doctor was "STUPID" and had misdiagnosed my relative, and her situation was going to go in a very wrong and dangerous direction should she follow her doc's recommendation. Imagine being sick and in need of proper treatment/medication and getting the wrong medication/treatment. Basically, she had one problem and now she'd have multiple problems on top of the original one LOL.

Needless to say, I instructed her to visit a different doctor and specifically tell (new doctor) what she thinks she had (basically what I told them I suspect they had, which btw wasn't a nice thing but nowhere near life threatening as the first doctor had diagnosed). Lo and behold the second doctor agreed and properly diagnosed and treated her. Within couple months she was fully healed.

There are also cases (plenty if you asked me, so much so that the internet graveyards are full of them LOL) where scientific research of today is nullified and countered by a new study of tomorrow. What am (poor little) I to believe now. Might as well do my best to read and research and then make up my own mind and stick with it. It has worked perfectly for me so far. It may not work for you and anyone else. I'm ok with that.

Keep doing what works for you, and NEVER change it, but could you "please" extend me the same courtesy LOL. While you are free to keep pounding the ground at will, I'm comfortable and content with what I'm doing. Thanks for participating and your opinion, but sorry can't take your advice.

This is the end of this subject for me. You do you, and I'll do me.

 

[Zydeceltico]

For me it is just a matter of principle and NOT doing what everyone else does or says.

Classic Oppositional Defiance Disorder and some other one that I haven't nailed down yet - potenitally Borderline.

Note to forum: you are talking to a brick wall - one that loves taunting you to keep you beating your head on it. It's for attention.



...just watch

 

[ostrichsak]

I do appreciate everyone's experiences and opinions, a lot actually (experiences more so than opinions thou). My only thing is I can't accept someone else's view or opinion, being that of scientist and/or specialized doctors either. I have to feel comfortable and ultimately come up with my own conclusion even though I absolutely listen and consider other people's (and scientific) opinions but can't take it at face value. As an example, I personally know two people that died because either doctors misdiagnosed them (one of them) or failed to appropriately and timely diagnose them (the other one). I've also read somewhere that there are roughly 90,000 deaths per year due to doctor errors/misdiagnoses.

I would venture to guess that even yourself agrees I'd NEVER be part of that statistic. I might however become part (Highly doubtful) of a different statistic thou.

There have literally been cases where I have told people NOT to accept their doctor's opinion and I was right. One of people close to me was told they had a very dangerous condition and to start treatment/medication immediately. I told them to give me three days and NOT do anything for those three days. After a lot of research and reading, (some cases I specifically reached out and spoke to couple people), I came to the conclusion that the doctor was "STUPID" and had misdiagnosed my relative, and her situation was going to go in a very wrong and dangerous direction should she follow her doc's recommendation. Imagine being sick and in need of proper treatment/medication and getting the wrong medication/treatment. Basically, she had one problem and now she'd have multiple problems on top of the original one LOL.

Needless to say, I instructed her to visit a different doctor and specifically tell (new doctor) what she thinks she had (basically what I told them I suspect they had, which btw wasn't a nice thing but nowhere near life threatening as the first doctor had diagnosed). Lo and behold the second doctor agreed and properly diagnosed and treated her. Within couple months she was fully healed.

There are also cases (plenty if you asked me, so much so that the internet graveyards are full of them LOL) where scientific research of today is nullified and countered by a new study of tomorrow. What am (poor little) I to believe now. Might as well do my best to read and research and then make up my own mind and stick with it. It has worked perfectly for me so far. It may not work for you and anyone else. I'm ok with that.

Keep doing what works for you, and NEVER change it, but could you "please" extend me the same courtesy LOL. While you are free to keep pounding the ground at will, I'm comfortable and content with what I'm doing. Thanks for participating and your opinion, but sorry can't take your advice.

This is the end of this subject for me. You do you, and I'll do me.

You want to be the poster child for Darwinism? Go right ahead. Just stop posting about it on a public forum as if it's some revolutionary way to approach medicine that nobody else bothered considering before you. Someone has watched WAY too much network television doctor drama TV shows.

In case I wasn't clear previously, what you're suggesting is epic stupidity (there's no way to sugarcoat it) disguised as bravery & stubbornness (not a positive character trait despite your best efforts to frame it as such) with ZERO upside or benefit based on your own words. It's not like you've even attempted to present a valid reason to not follow proper germ protocol & best practices for needle use. The only thing I could even think of would be cost and you've said it yourself... it doesn't matter. There's literally zero reason not to subject yourself to the risk. None.

Do you use tap water to reconstitute your peptides or do you invest the extra money for bacteriostatic water?

 

[Fisherman2356]

Classic Oppositional Defiance Disorder and some other one that I haven't nailed down yet - potenitally Borderline.

Note to forum: you are talking to a brick wall - one that loves taunting you to keep you beating your head on it. It's for attention.



...just watch

Thanks for the invitation, not biting though. Love the ad hominem, keep'm coming LOL.

 

[ostrichsak]

Classic Oppositional Defiance Disorder and some other one that I haven't nailed down yet - potenitally Borderline.

Note to forum: you are talking to a brick wall - one that loves taunting you to keep you beating your head on it. It's for attention.



...just watch

Yeah, I gathered as much. I had a few minutes to kill and wanted to make it painfully clear to anyone else reading that this is NOT a source of data that should be seen as credible under any circumstance. I seriously doubt anyone would though... this is one of the most diabolically bad ideas I've read on the internet and I've been on forums since the 90's. That's a LOT of bad ideas.