Its begun...gray market about to get closer to a shade of black if this continues. Plz dont tell complete strangers to take the clinical doseage...plz

[ambot88]

This is stupid. People are stupid - Karly, is stupid.

 

[BNLFL]

4 years and three months at my current dose.

My stash was 13 years of Reta, and that's going up with the recent GBs. I'm in.

 

[Troposphere]

It is never a bad idea to add to the stockpile, however I think these compounds will continue to be available. If AAS users can do it, we can too.

 

[laansasa]

This doesn't surprise me at all. The telehealth companies keep their clients in the dark about how many mg their dose is and instead refer to the units.

I agree. I asked my friend what her dose was and she only knew units. The dr. told her she needed a new appointment to review her dose tirtration and still a mystery what her dose is/was in mg.

 

[Crowreap]

Im currently researching long term storage so I can figure out how much to order.....and yesterday i learned ill need a "ULT" freezer and all the ones I saw were over $1k. I think $1400 was the cheapest. I honestly cant justify it since im doing this for myself. So looks like im gonna be stuck just buying a 3-4 year supply cuz im limited to the regular freezer.

I feel like youre projecting your own values and may not have seen this exact scenario play out before like some older folks have. I didnt necessarily say or mean fentanyl was like peptides....but perception is reality 10000% unfortunately. If the MSM can create the perception to the general public that peptides are hurting people....its only a matter of time before this gray market becomes black. As is, in addition to these there were headlines this week about ozempic causing bone loss and osteoporosis. Like i tell you...no peps arent fent...but perception is reality and seems like the MSM is getting steam with the anti peptide rhetoric. At least that ive noticed.

Anything china related can become politicized...literally at any given moment. Yea trump met with china last week...but he also tarrif'd them to hell during this term as well as his first term. It wont be hard to villify peptides since we are literally ONLY getting them from china, and it wont be hard to convince this admnistation to stick it to china.....in my opinion of course.

You nailed it. I bet the CEO literally wishes we'd all be prosecuted. Not just EL....all big pharma thinks this way. Its silly the prices we pay for ALL drugs in the US...actually its disgusting.

MSM are just slow. But the thing is, not a lot of people consume this media, at least not any of the younger crowd. But yeah, I get what you're talking about. They're gonna create some BS narrative, and the old heads in government are gonna start seeing it as a threat. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

not sure if you were aware of this, but i just saw it in this subforum. Im telling you....gray market is thin ice. We dont need any extra weight on it cuz its a delicate matter

And that's exactly why I'm stocked up and have years of reta and cagri in my freezer. I'm actually thinking about buying more in the near future.

 

[woundcarping]

…So looks like im gonna be stuck just buying a 3-4 year supply cuz im limited to the regular freezer.

There’s not much research suggesting that short of a life being stored at 0°… popular consensus is decades.

 

[rkbleddyn]

We can always count on our alphabet media to ruin everything, for as many people as possible, that is why they exist. Fearmongering and propaganda at it's finest.

Stupid people have always existed and will always exist, so none of us can have anything, ever. Because.

Also, Reta is about to come out and the pharm companies need you to pay $1500 a month for it, and insurance will not pay for it, because either of the aforementioned entities have anything to do with 'health' or 'care'. Ginormous black market, here we come. The peptide cartels battling in the streets, FDA get their own SWAT teams.

 

[bockscar]

There’s not much research suggesting that short of a life being stored at 0°… popular consensus is decades.

You have no idea how badly i wanna post a thread about this....but i know ill get criticized for turning the forum into a individual "chat bot" like i have been accused of before in here LOL Ive read claims of 2-3 years on the low end, to decades like you mentioned and somewhere in the middle 5-10 years. Im really unsure of how much I should buy and store with no/minimal degredation during storage.

I'm 100% NOT gonna buy an ULT freezer, and am planning to stock up....but i dont wanna buy 5 years worth of peptides if theyll be degraded by the time year 5 comes around. I wanna buy what i can confidently store. I think im just gonna say screw it and buy 5 years worth and just be sure to date everything so i can pay attention to their potency when i break into them at the end of the storage period

 

[coach chickpea]

If you were getting great results on reta and suddenly that stops, does it mean you havr to increase dose or its just plateaued and not going to work again?

 

[dzl515]

This doesn't surprise me at all. The telehealth companies keep their clients in the dark about how many mg their dose is and instead refer to the units.

So true! I use a telehealth for my TRT and some thyroid meds and getting them to tell me exactly what the thyroid med actual dosage is was like pulling teeth. They just kept coming back with "compounded T3/T4". Like that tells me anything specific. I'm the one taking it. I shouldn't have to fight to find out what I'm taking.

 

[byefatlicia]

So true! I use a telehealth for my TRT and some thyroid meds and getting them to tell me exactly what the thyroid med actual dosage is was like pulling teeth. They just kept coming back with "compounded T3/T4". Like that tells me anything specific. I'm the one taking it. I shouldn't have to fight to find out what I'm taking.

It's almost like they want to keep you uninformed. And like there's some level of loyalty because you don't have knowledge to do it any other way...

 

[SeaGypsy]

It's almost like they want to keep you uninformed. And like there's some level of loyalty because you don't have knowledge to do it any other way...

Yup, my first and only order of compunded Tirz they informed me of my 2.5mg dose and how many units but absolutely refused to tell me how many mg were in the two vials they sent. Actually told me that it wasn't important to just take the recommended dosage following the titration

 

[unclebuff702]

It's almost like they want to keep you uninformed. And like there's some level of loyalty because you don't have knowledge to do it any other way...

Would also be shocked at how little these telemed NPs and RNs actually know about what they are prescribing to people.

Before going grey I was sourcing from a medspa where I know the NP and I was educating her on the dosing and different GLPs. They are just slinging meds for profit with a license to protect them, the don't give a damn about you (us). They just use a checklist for red flags and write scripts and get paid.

The whole pharma industry is a ponzi scheme lol

 

[woundcarping]

You have no idea how badly i wanna post a thread about this....but i know ill get criticized for turning the forum into a individual "chat bot" like i have been accused of before in here LOL Ive read claims of 2-3 years on the low end, to decades like you mentioned and somewhere in the middle 5-10 years. Im really unsure of how much I should buy and store with no/minimal degredation during storage.

I'm 100% NOT gonna buy an ULT freezer, and am planning to stock up....but i dont wanna buy 5 years worth of peptides if theyll be degraded by the time year 5 comes around. I wanna buy what i can confidently store. I think im just gonna say screw it and buy 5 years worth and just be sure to date everything so i can pay attention to their potency when i break into them at the end of the storage period

I don’t know what the first part means, but that’s fine.

I’ve never seen any meaningful data or conversation of freezer stored lypholilized vials not lasting. I’m more concerned with vial degradation causing peptide issues.

I’m not opposed to buying a freezer, but if I’m that serious, I might as well buy two for redundancy. Jano says or implies the advantage of -40° is negligible compared to 0°.

Efficacy isn’t a light switch, usually. If in 40 years my tirz has degraded 50% in the sealed vials in the freezer, I could, in some theories, increase my dose to restore efficacy. If I don’t have the peptide, I can’t take any dose.

 

[byefatlicia]

Would also be shocked at how little these telemed NPs and RNs actually know about what they are prescribing to people.

Before going grey I was sourcing from a medspa where I know the NP and I was educating her on the dosing and different GLPs. They are just slinging meds for profit with a license to protect them, the don't give a damn about you (us). They just use a checklist for red flags and write scripts and get paid.

The whole pharma industry is a ponzi scheme lol

Agree. And sometimes even PCPs are much the same in regards to the "slinging" and "garden variety fuckery" (phrase stolen from @randompersonrandom

 

[unclebuff702]

I don’t know what the first part means, but that’s fine.

I’ve never seen any meaningful data or conversation of freezer stored lypholilized vials not lasting. I’m more concerned with vial degradation causing peptide issues.

I’m not opposed to buying a freezer, but if I’m that serious, I might as well buy two for redundancy. Jano says or implies the advantage of -40° is negligible compared to 0°.

Efficacy isn’t a light switch, usually. If in 40 years my tirz has degraded 50% in the sealed vials in the freezer, I could, in some theories, increase my dose to restore efficacy. If I don’t have the peptide, I can’t take any dose.

This is the best thing about running your own research and trials. You won't know until you know. This is exactly how I think about it. I'd rather have some at a potential lower efficacy when I need it than have none at all because big pharma says I can't.

 

[bockscar]

I don’t know what the first part means, but that’s fine.

I’ve never seen any meaningful data or conversation of freezer stored lypholilized vials not lasting. I’m more concerned with vial degradation causing peptide issues.

I’m not opposed to buying a freezer, but if I’m that serious, I might as well buy two for redundancy. Jano says or implies the advantage of -40° is negligible compared to 0°.

Efficacy isn’t a light switch, usually. If in 40 years my tirz has degraded 50% in the sealed vials in the freezer, I could, in some theories, increase my dose to restore efficacy. If I don’t have the peptide, I can’t take any dose.

Great points and I will keep them in mind...i probably will end up getting more than 5 years becasue like i mentioned jack3d, I know its only a matter of time before they ban it! Jack3d wasnt even battling big pharma the way these GLPs are so I really think its just a matter of time....at least for it to be as "easy" as it is now.

First part is just me being a little sensitive from a previous post LOL I was on probation and couldnt post in the testing group at the time....so posted a pretty basic testing question on my introduction post and got dragged the tiniest amount possible for not using the search bar LOL same deal here. I cant find a consensus on storage and wanna post a thread about long term storage....and peoples personal experience. BUT i can easily google that and search in here and find answers...but theyre all over the place

appreciate the replies. Im gonna buy more than 5 years worth for sure the more im thinking about it

 

[randompersonrandom]

If you were getting great results on reta and suddenly that stops, does it mean you havr to increase dose or its just plateaued and not going to work again?

my favorite thing today is a thread where people are talking about how scattered new people with zero context and zero idea of how things work are going to get peptides moved from grey to black, and then scattered new people with zero context and zero idea of how things work on the forum itself suddenly run in and start yelling random questions into the void. And no one answers them, because Donnie, you're out of your element.

 

[bockscar]

because Donnie, you're out of your element.

wow. i now have a favorite person on this forum

 

[BNLFL]

My stash was 13 years of Reta, and that's going up with the recent GBs. I'm in.

I just re-added including the GB stuff I,m waiting for. At our current use, wife and I at 8mg each. It's 17 years, and I know of 2 kits I want to buy.