Its begun...gray market about to get closer to a shade of black if this continues. Plz dont tell complete strangers to take the clinical doseage...plz

[bockscar]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lvqfmRTH0E

GLP-1/Weightloss drug ODs being shown on the national nightly news and getting that bad press. Yes, the specific story was about a compounding pharmacy but i can promise you a lot of those ODs from the stats were likely redditors/gray market folks like us who are DIY'ing this. This is literally the start of the progression I seen throughout the years that gets things banned. My BIGGEST worry, is wait until a pretty young(er) girl or boy with a bright future ends up really hurting themselves....then anti-peptide/black market argument (aka big pharma) gets their poster child and the crusade really starts.

I was commenting just last week (on reddit) about how I worry about negative press and how it will turn this fairly open and easy (when you do enough research) gray market closer to being a black market. I was already planning on buying another year or 2 worth of reta and some tirz....but im putting a rush on that now after seeing this because it is only a matter of time from my perspective! If youre my age (early 40s) or older...you seen this play out before so know im not talking hyperbole. Younger folks...hell youll probably just call me a boomer and full send and I get it, I was young once too and likely wouldve done the same (I used to dry scoop the OG Jack3d before dry scooping was cool LOL).

BUT please be safe you all and listen to your body....PLEASE listen to your body! youre not in a clinical trial. even if youre doing labs/scans, youre not getting the same care/attention/review from medical professionals that the folks in the clinical trials were. LIFE is LONG and these peptides are meant to extend that....you dont HAVE to get all your results in 3 months, 6 months, 1 year.....this is a long term play folks, please keep that in mind. And if you are a noobie like me and in all honesty not qualified....PLEASE dont tell complete strangers on the internet to take clinical doses and please dont tell them to titrate up on a fixed schedule. We are body hacking here folks...please listen to your body and preach that instead of the oversimplified "follow the trials" canned response Im seeing has become the accepted norm.

Thanks for coming to my TedTalk

 

[mybodyisasewer]

So her mistake was trusting her healthcare provider instead of managing her own doses.

Got it.

 

[wileyhorse]

Along with all the dumbass resellers just ordering shit, then reselling at extreme markup without ensuring their buyers are educated enough to understand what they are doing. In the name of quick cash. You are right too… won’t be long till they get a poster child, and will blast his/her face and sob story on every major media outlet.

Sigh. Now my 2 year supply seems insignificant. Back to dumping my paychecks into preparing for the future.

 

[Ted R]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lvqfmRTH0E

GLP-1/Weightloss drug ODs being shown on the national nightly news and getting that bad press. Yes, the specific story was about a compounding pharmacy but i can promise you a lot of those ODs from the stats were likely redditors/gray market folks like us who are DIY'ing this. This is literally the start of the progression I seen throughout the years that gets things banned. My BIGGEST worry, is wait until a pretty young(er) girl or boy with a bright future ends up really hurting themselves....then anti-peptide/black market argument (aka big pharma) gets their poster child and the crusade really starts.

I was commenting just last week (on reddit) about how I worry about negative press and how it will turn this fairly open and easy (when you do enough research) gray market closer to being a black market. I was already planning on buying another year or 2 worth of reta and some tirz....but im putting a rush on that now after seeing this because it is only a matter of time from my perspective! If youre my age (early 40s) or older...you seen this play out before so know im not talking hyperbole. Younger folks...hell youll probably just call me a boomer and full send and I get it, I was young once too and likely wouldve done the same (I used to dry scoop the OG Jack3d before dry scooping was cool LOL).

BUT please be safe you all and listen to your body....PLEASE listen to your body! youre not in a clinical trial. even if youre doing labs/scans, youre not getting the same care/attention/review from medical professionals that the folks in the clinical trials were. LIFE is LONG and these peptides are meant to extend that....you dont HAVE to get all your results in 3 months, 6 months, 1 year.....this is a long term play folks, please keep that in mind. And if you are a noobie like me and in all honesty not qualified....PLEASE dont tell complete strangers on the internet to take clinical doses and please dont tell them to titrate up on a fixed schedule. We are body hacking here folks...please listen to your body and preach that instead of the oversimplified "follow the trials" canned response Im seeing has become the accepted norm.

Thanks for coming to my TedTalk

NBC......

 

[byefatlicia]

This doesn't surprise me at all. The telehealth companies keep their clients in the dark about how many mg their dose is and instead refer to the units.

 

[spanky2026]

Not to be that person pointing this out, but Eli Lily is a major sponsor of some of NBC's special broadcast. As in, they're an advertiser. EL wants a compounding hit piece, they're going to get it, I'd expect more to come.

 

[Crowreap]

This is nothing new. It's just stupid people being stupid without doing any research. Even if you are prescribed a weight loss medication, it would be in your best interest to do research on your own just so you know what it's all about. Why the hell would you put a drug in your body without doing your due diligence? And honestly, nothing is going to happen to the gray market because there's quite a lot of demand for peptides now and there'll always be suppliers happy to deliver.

 

[bockscar]

So her mistake was trusting her healthcare provider instead of managing her own doses.

Got it.

Youre missing my point. Im not trying to find or point out a villain or say who was wrong in this scenario. This is about how we are playing in a gray market in terms of legality and once peptides become villified by the MSM its just a matter of time before gray becomes black...or blacker than it is now at least.

Along with all the dumbass resellers just ordering shit, then reselling at extreme markup without ensuring their buyers are educated enough to understand what they are doing. In the name of quick cash. You are right too… won’t be long till they get a poster child, and will blast his/her face and sob story on every major media outlet.

Sigh. Now my 2 year supply seems insignificant. Back to dumping my paychecks into preparing for the future.

Yep. A reason i wont ever sell is because im of the thinking that people are generally stupid...but also psychologically speaking, and in their defense, yea if youre shedding weight (like i did) at a certain/smaller dose....well more HAS TO BE better is a trap I can see non-stupid people falling into cuz it genuinely hits you HARD in the feels when you are dropping weight.

NBC......

Youre missing the point sir. Not here to discuss the mainstream media, just pointing out how this script has been used before and negative attention will do nothing but make all peptide users lifes more difficult.

This doesn't surprise me at all. The telehealth companies keep their clients in the dark about how many mg their dose is and instead refer to the units.

Thats sad, and I had no idea. I kinda always felt compounding pharmacies, which from my understanding thats close to what these weight loss telehealth companies basically are, were often shady (and dirty). so this checks out the more i think about it

Not to be that person pointing this out, but Eli Lily is a major sponsor of some of NBC's special broadcast. As in, they're an advertiser. EL wants a compounding hit peace, they're going to get it, I'd expect more to come.

Im actually glad you did...because it makes me seem like less of a conspiracy theory nut. I bet lily hates every single one of us that gets reta or tirz from the same place they do and pay (close to) what they do.

 

[Blueeyedme]

Clearly a BIG mistake by the health provider and a lack of knowledge by the user….but honestly, I’m more bothered by the Dr saying they have no idea what’s in the compounded forms - which is complete bullshit. IF she were talking about Grey, I’d agree 100%. THATS why we TEST!! The 503B compounders in the US are absolutely as trustworthy as the brand manufacturers and the 503As are a half step below in my opinion because there are regulated state by state. I think all this bad PR is funded by Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk to scare the daylights out of people.

 

[bockscar]

This is nothing new. It's just stupid people being stupid without doing any research. Even if you are prescribed a weight loss medication, it would be in your best interest to do research on your own just so you know what it's all about. Why the hell would you put a drug in your body without doing your due diligence? And honestly, nothing is going to happen to the gray market because there's quite a lot of demand for peptides now and there'll always be suppliers happy to deliver.

Brother....all that has to happen is trump has to get a hair up his butt and put out an order to customs to increase inspections to "stop these dangerous peptides from china" and its effectively over...at least in its current form. Yes it wont kill it, but penalites may increase (deterrent that might scare some folks away) and getting your orders in as easy as it is now will be no more.

at least in my opinion. Dont downplay the china factor (and big pharma pocket books that will stop at nothing to protect profits) and how that can be utilized as a tool to stop/slow down the current peptide flow. Theyll take a page from the fentanyl script...i can already see it playing out in my head.

 

[sheilarae74]

Not to be that person pointing this out, but Eli Lily is a major sponsor of some of NBC's special broadcast. As in, they're an advertiser. EL wants a compounding hit peace, they're going to get it, I'd expect more to come.

I don't think people realize just how much big pharma uses the media to protect their profits.

 

[byefatlicia]

Brother....all that has to happen is trump has to get a hair up his butt and put out an order to customs to increase inspections to "stop these dangerous peptides from china" and its effectively over...at least in its current form. Yes it wont kill it, but penalites may increase (deterrent that might scare some folks away) and getting your orders in as easy as it is now will be no more.

at least in my opinion. Dont downplay the china factor (and big pharma pocket books that will stop at nothing to protect profits) and how that can be utilized as a tool to stop/slow down the current peptide flow. Theyll take a page from the fentanyl script...i can already see it playing out in my head.

In other news: mini freezer stocks soared...

 

[Crowreap]

Brother....all that has to happen is trump has to get a hair up his butt and put out an order to customs to increase inspections to "stop these dangerous peptides from china" and its effectively over...at least in its current form. Yes it wont kill it, but penalites may increase (deterrent that might scare some folks away) and getting your orders in as easy as it is now will be no more.

at least in my opinion. Dont downplay the china factor (and big pharma pocket books that will stop at nothing to protect profits) and how that can be utilized as a tool to stop/slow down the current peptide flow. Theyll take a page from the fentanyl script...i can already see it playing out in my head.

Yeah, that may happen, but I don't really think it will happen because fentanyl is completely different than peptides. And we can also mix in steroids with peptides as well. Because fentanyl and those kind of junky drugs usually cause public disturbances in the cities and drug wars are usually created from them. Now if you think about it, there's a lot of people have been using PEDs and anabolic steroids and buying from gray markets for decades now. and also same thing with peptides. So sure, all of these are drugs, but the only reason when it becomes all politicized is when it actually starts affecting the citizens because nobody wants junkies on the streets, but you're not gonna find any problems necessarily with users of peptides and steroids where it affects the public. well not even though it is quite increasing now, as in the usage of them among, especially among teenagers and the youth, but it's not gonna become a full out problem like fentanyl or something along those lines.

 

[CJsMom]

Youre missing my point. Im not trying to find or point out a villain or say who was wrong in this scenario. This is about how we are playing in a gray market in terms of legality and once peptides become villified by the MSM its just a matter of time before gray becomes black...or blacker than it is now at least.

Yep. A reason i wont ever sell is because im of the thinking that people are generally stupid...but also psychologically speaking, and in their defense, yea if youre shedding weight (like i did) at a certain/smaller dose....well more HAS TO BE better is a trap I can see non-stupid people falling into cuz it genuinely hits you HARD in the feels when you are dropping weight.

Youre missing the point sir. Not here to discuss the mainstream media, just pointing out how this script has been used before and negative attention will do nothing but make all peptide users lifes more difficult.

Thats sad, and I had no idea. I kinda always felt compounding pharmacies, which from my understanding thats close to what these weight loss telehealth companies basically are, were often shady (and dirty). so this checks out the more i think about it

Im actually glad you did...because it makes me seem like less of a conspiracy theory nut. I bet lily hates every single one of us that gets reta or tirz from the same place they do and pay (close to) what they do.

Every gray market buyer is hundreds of dollars a month, not going into EL coffers. Every. Single. One.

 

[DrPEPr]

Gray market will never be stopped.

America should know best... (hint: the prohibition era).

In a perfect world every damn drug should be regulated and available to everyone.

People only need to be informed and educated.

'Stupid people' will get their stuff either way, except now from 'criminals' and of dubious quality.

I've asked Gemini about the marihuana usage and related crime statistics after its legalization in certain states.

The intersection of cannabis legalization, crime rates, and usage patterns is one of the most thoroughly tracked policy experiments of modern times. Data from places like the United States (where nearly half of the states have fully legalized it), Canada, and various European frameworks provides a clear picture.

The data reveals distinct trends across both categories.

1. Impact on Criminality​

When assessing crime, researchers separate direct drug offenses (like possession) from systemic or violent crimes (like theft or assault).

Direct Drug Arrests Plunge​

The most immediate and dramatic drop is in drug-related arrests. Once recreational sales become legal, arrests for simple possession, manufacturing, and distribution within that jurisdiction predictably plummet by anywhere from 70% to 90%. This drastically reduces the number of people entering the criminal justice system for low-level offenses.

Violent and Property Crime Rates​

For broader, major crimes, the impact of legalization is largely neutral to mildly positive.

No Spikes in Violence: Multiple long-term, peer-reviewed studies (including interrupted time-series analyses of early legal states like Colorado and Washington) show no statistically significant long-term increases in violent or property crime rates.

The "Crime Drop" and Police Allocation: Some economic and criminological data suggests a slight drop in specific offenses. For example, a spatial regression study tracking Washington and Oregon found a noticeable drop in thefts and specific violent offenses post-legalization. Criminologists attribute this to two primary factors:
Displacing Illicit Markets: Moving transactions from dark street corners to heavily regulated, well-lit dispensaries eliminates the violent friction often associated with underground drug deals.

Police Resource Reallocation: With law enforcement no longer spending hours processing minor cannabis arrests, police departments are able to redirect resources toward solving more serious violent and property crimes, improving overall "clearance rates" (the rate at which crimes are solved).

2. Impact on Overall Usage​

Data consistently shows that overall consumption does increase after legalization, but the demographics of who is driving that increase are often surprising.

 

[bockscar]

In other news: mini freezer stocks soared...

Im currently researching long term storage so I can figure out how much to order.....and yesterday i learned ill need a "ULT" freezer and all the ones I saw were over $1k. I think $1400 was the cheapest. I honestly cant justify it since im doing this for myself. So looks like im gonna be stuck just buying a 3-4 year supply cuz im limited to the regular freezer.

Yeah, that may happen, but I don't really think it will happen because fentanyl is completely different than peptides. And we can also mix in steroids with peptides as well. Because fentanyl and those kind of junky drugs usually cause public disturbances in the cities and drug wars are usually created from them. Now if you think about it, there's a lot of people have been using PEDs and anabolic steroids and buying from gray markets for decades now. and also same thing with peptides. So sure, all of these are drugs, but the only reason when it becomes all politicized is when it actually starts affecting the citizens because nobody wants junkies on the streets, but you're not gonna find any problems necessarily with users of peptides and steroids where it affects the public. well not even though it is quite increasing now, as in the usage of them among, especially among teenagers and the youth, but it's not gonna become a full out problem like fentanyl or something along those lines.

I feel like youre projecting your own values and may not have seen this exact scenario play out before like some older folks have. I didnt necessarily say or mean fentanyl was like peptides....but perception is reality 10000% unfortunately. If the MSM can create the perception to the general public that peptides are hurting people....its only a matter of time before this gray market becomes black. As is, in addition to these there were headlines this week about ozempic causing bone loss and osteoporosis. Like i tell you...no peps arent fent...but perception is reality and seems like the MSM is getting steam with the anti peptide rhetoric. At least that ive noticed.

Anything china related can become politicized...literally at any given moment. Yea trump met with china last week...but he also tarrif'd them to hell during this term as well as his first term. It wont be hard to villify peptides since we are literally ONLY getting them from china, and it wont be hard to convince this admnistation to stick it to china.....in my opinion of course.

Every gray market buyer is hundreds of dollars a month, not going into EL coffers. Every. Single. One.

You nailed it. I bet the CEO literally wishes we'd all be prosecuted. Not just EL....all big pharma thinks this way. Its silly the prices we pay for ALL drugs in the US...actually its disgusting.

 

[BNLFL]

 

[wileyhorse]

Every gray market buyer is hundreds of dollars a month, not going into EL coffers. Every. Single. One.

Given the glut of gym bros ordering dozens of kits for resale… I’d guess 10-20% of gray market buyers individually represent dozens of end users each. Thats tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars that big pharma is losing every month. They are hemorrhaging cash, and will be highly motivated to get it under control.

 

[bockscar]

Yeah, that may happen, but I don't really think it will happen because fentanyl is completely different than peptides. And we can also mix in steroids with peptides as well. Because fentanyl and those kind of junky drugs usually cause public disturbances in the cities and drug wars are usually created from them. Now if you think about it, there's a lot of people have been using PEDs and anabolic steroids and buying from gray markets for decades now. and also same thing with peptides. So sure, all of these are drugs, but the only reason when it becomes all politicized is when it actually starts affecting the citizens because nobody wants junkies on the streets, but you're not gonna find any problems necessarily with users of peptides and steroids where it affects the public. well not even though it is quite increasing now, as in the usage of them among, especially among teenagers and the youth, but it's not gonna become a full out problem like fentanyl or something along those lines.

not sure if you were aware of this, but i just saw it in this subforum. Im telling you....gray market is thin ice. We dont need any extra weight on it cuz its a delicate matter

HGH Ban

Just had a vendor tell me they weren’t allowed to sell HGH anymore, apparently it’s been banned. Anyone else been told this?

glp1forum.com

 

[Tirzmonkey]

Im currently researching long term storage so I can figure out how much to order.....and yesterday i learned ill need a "ULT" freezer and all the ones I saw were over $1k. I think $1400 was the cheapest. I honestly cant justify it since im doing this for myself. So looks like im gonna be stuck just buying a 3-4 year supply cuz im limited to the regular freezer.

I received two kits of 60mg today which, when combined with the compounded that I bought before I discovered grey brings me up to 4 years and three months at my current dose.

I, too, am looking at freezers and bought a cheap chest freezer for 150 off of Amazon. It has a digital readout of the internal temperature. From listening to the Janoshik interview where he suggests GLP1s are “good for years in the refrigerator and decades in the freezer” I think it will be sufficient for what we are trying to do. I won’t go past five years but agree that easy access to Tirzepatide is ending and may happen rather suddenly.