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trojanpeptide said:
The only problem is that diabetes itself causes diabetic retinopathy, which is the leading cause of blindness in adults.
There is also a related issue where consistent high blood sugar can improve vision and getting your blood sugar under control can actually cause your vision to get worse.
 
It worries me a bit in the context of a lot of the newer people joining this forum are generally younger and less overweight. If you are in your 50's or older or have severe obesity or diabetes the risk to benefit equation is very clear, they reduce your chances of serious illness and death and any possible rare but serious side effects are easily outweighed by the benefits.

The problem is if you have a bmi of 30 and are 20 or 30 years old and go blind or get some other horrible illness as a rare and very unlikely side effect of these medications, it is a fairly tragic outcome. Younger and healthier people are less likely to have serious illness or death caused by these medications, than those who are older , sicker or diabetic, but the risk is not zero.

There is no way to measure the cost to benefit ratio medically in younger less overweight healthier people. The odds of serious illness are too low to measure accurately without vast sized studies that just are never going to happen as the costs would be impossible. Some of the serious adverse effects are going to be measurable, but are less likely to be reported to doctors honestly if the sources are not entirely legal. So there is no real trustable data on either benefits or harms.
 
lessthanhalf said:
It worries me a bit in the context of a lot of the newer people joining this forum are generally younger and less overweight. If you are in your 50's or older or have severe obesity or diabetes the risk to benefit equation is very clear, they reduce your chances of serious illness and death and any possible rare but serious side effects are easily outweighed by the benefits.

The problem is if you have a bmi of 30 and are 20 or 30 years old and go blind or get some other horrible illness as a rare and very unlikely side effect of these medications, it is a fairly tragic outcome. Younger and healthier people are less likely to have serious illness or death caused by these medications, than those who are older , sicker or diabetic, but the risk is not zero.

There is no way to measure the cost to benefit ratio medically in younger less overweight healthier people. The odds of serious illness are too low to measure accurately without vast sized studies that just are never going to happen as the costs would be impossible. Some of the serious adverse effects are going to be measurable, but are less likely to be reported to doctors honestly if the sources are not entirely legal. So there is no real trustable data on either benefits or harms.
I agree. Seems the younger people are just plain lazy, honestly. When you're young you just need to BE ACTIVe and eat well. Frigin kids today are lazy as F. YMMV
 
JoonyO said:
He took Ozempic to lose weight. Then he became blind.

He took Ozempic to manage diabetes. Months later, he says he lost his vision — and his job. Now he’s suing over what he alleges happened.

www.usatoday.com
NAION and GLP-1 is real.

Obese people have higher risk.

We have 10 patients in Denmark who have either lost their eye sight og it's seriously impaired.

It was recoqnised last year as a correlation to GLP-1.

One of my good friends, was on Wegovy, he can't drive anymore because of NAION. And is so tired all the time because of it.

I went to eye doctor this summer to get my eyes checked.

I tell all my patients, I start on GLP-1s to go to doctor if they experience sudden loss of vision or blurred vision.
 
miss-sanne said:
I went to eye doctor this summer to get my eyes checked.

I went for a vision screening late last year and my prescription changed and the doctor says I no longer have the astigmatism that I’ve had in one eye all my life. Granted it was a mild astigmatism, but she says it’s now gone. I’m not sure if the results were just spurious.

I had some vision changes when I first started tirzepatide, so I feel that vision is something definitely folks should watch and take all symptoms seriously.
 
miss-sanne said:
NAION and GLP-1 is real.

Obese people have higher risk.

We have 10 patients in Denmark who have either lost their eye sight og it's seriously impaired.

It was recoqnised last year as a correlation to GLP-1.

One of my good friends, was on Wegovy, he can't drive anymore because of NAION. And is so tired all the time because of it.

I went to eye doctor this summer to get my eyes checked.

I tell all my patients, I start on GLP-1s to go to doctor if they experience sudden loss of vision or blurred vision.
May want to look into Retinalamin.

Something in this quote stands out:

" While promising, Retinalamin should be considered an adjunctive therapy, not a replacement for standard treatments like insulin therapy, blood glucose control, and anti-VEGF injections for advanced cases. Always consult a qualified ophthalmologist before use "

BPC-157 and GHK-Cu upregulate VEGF, and TB500 also promotes angiogenesis, which in themselves could increase the risk of ocular perturbations.

But yea, I acknowledge the danger of hypoglycemia.
 
miss-sanne said:
NAION and GLP-1 is real.

Obese people have higher risk.

We have 10 patients in Denmark who have either lost their eye sight og it's seriously impaired.

It was recoqnised last year as a correlation to GLP-1.

One of my good friends, was on Wegovy, he can't drive anymore because of NAION. And is so tired all the time because of it.

I went to eye doctor this summer to get my eyes checked.

I tell all my patients, I start on GLP-1s to go to doctor if they experience sudden loss of vision or blurred vision.
It would seem to me that these GLP1 eye issues are Ozempic related. Tirz? But if they're sides from the current prescribed GLPs it would stand to reason Reta causality is not a problem.

Yet.

I do hope they can find what's responsible in the GLP patients for NAION. Is it diet related?
 
All of the GLP medications act on GLP-1. The amylin agonists like cagrilintide do not. Tirzepatide possibly has stronger glp-1 activation due to it's complex biased agonism effect. Both tiz and reta cause less nausea than ozempic or semaglutide as the gip agonism counteracts the nausea, but given they act on the same glp-1 receptor , logically they are just as much a risk for those side effects like NAION, whether it has been shown or not. Semaglutide has been around the longest ( apart from liraglutide which was never as popular ) so more is going to be known about rare longer term side effects.
 
JoonyO said:
I agree. Seems the younger people are just plain lazy, honestly. When you're young you just need to BE ACTIVe and eat well. Frigin kids today are lazy as F. YMMV
sounds like the whole just put the fork down argument. Don't understand how you get to the thought of being obese and needing help is just an age thing. "oh I'm older so obviously its harder to put the fork down but younger people if they can't they are just lazy" I'm probably just misunderstanding here.

If i'm not this would be the first time I've seen age being thrown into the issue as far as being able to just eat better.
 
CNCCurrency said:
I blame the parents for that. Gen x are built different
so true, I remember literally having to walk 10 miles to get to work, or the gym, just because I felt like it..

and yet now that we have internet, and shows like Criminal minds, and Epstein files.. I drive my kids everywhere!
 
trojanpeptide said:
The only problem is that diabetes itself causes diabetic retinopathy, which is the leading cause of blindness in adults.

before glp1s I was only in the prediabetic A1c range but was having symptoms of that. usual eye exam noticed my IOP was high, random blurry vision. Scary to think if I never got things under control how bad it could've gotten.
 
JoonyO said:
It would seem to me that these GLP1 eye issues are Ozempic related. Tirz? But if they're sides from the current prescribed GLPs it would stand to reason Reta causality is not a problem.

Yet.

I do hope they can find what's responsible in the GLP patients for NAION. Is it diet related?
Yes it seems so, but in the last few months, NAION showed up on Tirz list of side effects.

I would count any glp-1 as a risk factor, and consult eye doctor if any change.
 
Sasquatch said:
Can you really go blind from masterbating? (Asking for a friend) 🫣
From my own extensive "research" on the subject it would seem to be untrue ( more than likely perpetuated by womenses who demand to be viewed as "necessary" 😉 ) and not to be cause for alarm ...for at least over 50 years. 🤪 I do need sunglasses though... 😎
 
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