If this was you, how would you proceed?

[Calm Logic]

Regarding cardio and lifting, per Gemini:

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[FlowerFairy]

If you're that worried about eating you will most probably never achieve a normal weight range.

That was a jump.. I only “worry” about making my protein goal. I have tracked my intake out of habit since before my wls. We were required to submit food diaries and water intake both prior and after surgery. I don’t think I’m eating more than I think because I document everything that I eat. It’s a habit.

But then, not sure I should be bothered by something said by someone willing to risk his overall health just to drop numbers on a scale.

 

[pavlovs]

But then, not sure I should be bothered by something said by someone willing to risk his overall health just to drop numbers on a scale.

You realize that you are one of those people willing to risk your own overall health to drop numbers on a scale, right? You are taking multiple meds that haven't even been approved by the FDA, haven't even passed human trials yet, and are made and sourced by Chinese smugglers. Do you know what site you are on? Pot needs to quit calling the kettle black here, chickiepoo.

I was on Reta 4 mg until I stalled; I’m up to 10 mg. Still bouncing. No net loss. Do I continue to titrate up, stack with something else, if I stack, what should I stack with? I was thinking about Maz or Survo, but I’m just not sure what to do next.

My current regime is Reta 10 mg weekly, mots-c 5 mg Monday and Thursday, lipo-c 1 ml 3x/week, GHK-cu 2 mg daily, BPC157 600 mcg daily, ipamorelin 600 mcg/CJC 1297 300 mcg daily, NAD+ 75 mg daily, Glutathione 100 mg daily, MT-1 .5 mg daily.

 

[FlowerFairy]

You realize that you are one of those people willing to risk your own overall health to drop numbers on a scale, right? You are taking multiple meds that haven't even been approved by the FDA, haven't even passed human trials yet, and are made and sourced by Chinese smugglers. Do you know what site you are on? Pot needs to quit calling the kettle black here, chickiepoo.

I take chances but I don’t ignore protein intake or use fat dissolvers. I know exactly where I am. I also know that your opinions mean even less to me. At least I know ROE. You just showed up.

 

[pavlovs]

I take chances but I don’t ignore protein intake or use fat dissolvers. I know exactly where I am. I also know that your opinions mean even less to me. At least I know ROE. You just showed up.

 

[Azrack]

Had not seen this comment but I might have missed it. Non scale victory. Weight loss is a by product of better health. So look for non scale victories on your journey.

My house we measure weight but also inches. Waist, hips, thighs, and arms. Surprising sometimes when the scales don't move but you lose an inch off your waist. Even clothing like a belt every notch down is a victory.

Something else to consider when the scales stay put.

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

protein "goals" are bullshit. I looked at the protein recommendations. tuna fish is one of the most dense proteins you can find. I'd have to eat like 9 cans a day. that'd just make me sick as a dog. and I'd never lose any weight.

by all means people ask for opinions then freak out when its not what they want to hear.

 

[Calm Logic]

Had not seen this comment but I might have missed it. Non scale victory. Weight loss is a by product of better health. So look for non scale victories on your journey.

My house we measure weight but also inches. Waist, hips, thighs, and arms. Surprising sometimes when the scales don't move but you lose an inch off your waist. Even clothing like a belt every notch down is a victory.

Something else to consider when the scales stay put.

Also:

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Post in thread 'Energy after eating on Tirz'

May 23, 2025

Other common NSVs (Non-Scale Victories) include:

Clothes fitting better

Increased energy levels

Improved sleep

Better mood or self-confidence

Being able to do physical activities more easily

Reduced pain

Better health markers (e.g., blood pressure, blood sugar)

Source : Google Gemini

Calm Logic

 

[AndyPanda]

You realize that you are one of those people willing to risk your own overall health to drop numbers on a scale, right? You are taking multiple meds that haven't even been approved by the FDA, haven't even passed human trials yet, and are made and sourced by Chinese smugglers. Do you know what site you are on? Pot needs to quit calling the kettle black here, chickiepoo.

I’m a little teapot, short and stout. Here is my handle, here is my spout!

That description applies to the majority of people on this forum. We are all injecting strange, many times unconfirmed chemicals into our bodies. To name only 2, Retatrutide, nor Cagrilinitide are approved by the FDA and at least 1/3 of our counterparts are using them. Other than the unknown peptides the people over at the swamp took that made them all fragile, everyone is ok. Even those of us who are a little more daring than we should be.

 

[AndyPanda]

Also:

Post in thread 'Energy after eating on Tirz'

May 23, 2025

Other common NSVs (Non-Scale Victories) include:

Clothes fitting better

Increased energy levels

Improved sleep

Better mood or self-confidence

Being able to do physical activities more easily

Reduced pain

Better health markers (e.g., blood pressure, blood sugar)

Source : Google Gemini

Calm Logic

Can’t forget perceived “junk” size increases. They say 1” for every 30lbs!

 

[peptideusername]

Had not seen this comment but I might have missed it. Non scale victory. Weight loss is a by product of better health. So look for non scale victories on your journey.

My house we measure weight but also inches. Waist, hips, thighs, and arms. Surprising sometimes when the scales don't move but you lose an inch off your waist. Even clothing like a belt every notch down is a victory.

Something else to consider when the scales stay put.

Thanks for this, as it was what I was going to suggest.

I have a smart measuring tape for this purpose. It's a little pricey but it's great.

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[FlowerFairy]

protein "goals" are bullshit. I looked at the protein recommendations. tuna fish is one of the most dense proteins you can find. I'd have to eat like 9 cans a day. that'd just make me sick as a dog. and I'd never lose any weight.

by all means people ask for opinions then freak out when its not what they want to hear.

There is a difference between advice and assumptions. You assumed and yes, I was annoyed. But I did not “freak out.” If you think that was a freak out, I don’t know what to tell you. And you cannot control disregard protein goals; I meet mine daily without eating a single can of tuna fish, so not sure about that example.

 

[hexagonal]

i don't worry about any protein goal. i'll get adequate protein again when I stabilize at the weight I want to be at. you're probably getting a lot more calories than you think the counts are all over the place depending on who is stating the numbers.

If you're that worried about eating you will most probably never achieve a normal weight range.

"lifting" does noting to reduce your weight. you have to do cardio to burn calories.

plus you may have to jerk your body around a bit with some intermittent fasting.

Lifting burns calories. Why wouldn't it?

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

Lifting burns calories. Why wouldn't it?

not that many. as compared to cardio.

its a lot of time in the gym which is a major Petrie dish.

"if this was YOU how would you proceed"

the people who live in a gym will say lift. of course.

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

I look at it as your body is screwing with you. you need to have countermeasures. its hard to argue with calories in calories out.

the whole strategy of gastric bypass is so you can eat almost nothing. I'd rather do it without the operation.

 

[hexagonal]

not that many. as compared to cardio.

its a lot of time in the gym which is a major Petrie dish.

"if this was YOU how would you proceed"

the people who live in a gym will say lift. of course.

I spend about 5 hours lifting a week. Not exactly living in the gym.

Tough to give an exact number on calories burned, but it's somewhere around 3k per week. 3+lb of extra energy expenditure a month.

 

[FlowerFairy]

I look at it as your body is screwing with you. you need to have countermeasures. its hard to argue with calories in calories out.

the whole strategy of gastric bypass is so you can eat almost nothing. I'd rather do it without the operation.

I would have done so happily, but not even my endocrinologist could explain why CICO stopped working for me. I was gaining 10 lbs a year on 1200 calories daily and was over 400 lbs when I decided it was my only choice to survive. And then got approved for a surgery that was reversible except for the removal of the greater curvature of the stomach (look up the duodenal switch w/biliopancreatic diversion; you keep most of your stomach, you keep your pyloric valve, and it’s usually more successful for the super morbidly obese). It was the bypass that was making me lose weight; my surgeon even commented that I was the only WLS patient he had ever had that never vomited from overeating. I can’t prove anything, but I’ve never been a big eater. That is why I have been so frustrated with all of this. I kept off everything I lost with my surgery until I was put on a medicine that affected the malabsorption, not the intake. And when i stopped it, I couldn’t lose that weight. I used to belong to a gym where my first action was to spend 1.5 hours on the stair master (allegedly burning 1500 calories each time), then doing circuits. I was positive that would work- I was going 5x a week. I added muscle. My clothes fit a little differently, but I wasn’t losing weight. I kept at it for 6 months, hoping something would change. Then I moved and there was no gym with comparable equipment- their stairmaster made my knees hurt and the rest of their equipment wasn’t much better. Then I got a severe URI and couldn’t work out for over a month because it felt like I couldn’t breathe. And when it was hard to breathe and my knees hurt all the time, I quit going.

So yeah, I’m freaking out internally because I’m stalled because of past experiences. This is the first thing that has worked in 25 years… I want it to keep working.

 

[Skidude]

I spend about 5 hours lifting a week. Not exactly living in the gym.

Tough to give an exact number on calories burned, but it's somewhere around 3k per week. 3+lb of extra energy expenditure a month.

It is also worth mentioning that higher muscle mass will improve metabolism.

I don't "lift", but I make sure I do work in my barn, around the property, etc. Being active is a great alternative for those who don't want to go to the gym.

But the same philosophy of CICO applies to the "move more eat less" camp.

 

[chmuse]

Thanks for this, as it was what I was going to suggest.

I have a smart measuring tape for this purpose. It's a little pricey but it's great.

Amazon.com: RENPHO Body Measuring Tape, Smart Tape Measure for Weight Loss, Bluetooth Fitness Equipment with App, Measuring Waist, Hip, Bust, Arms, Muscle Gain, Retractable, 60in /150cm, White : Health & Household

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Now to figure out if sharpie marks would last long enough to make sure I'm always measuring the same spots.

 

[Skidude]

I would have done so happily, but not even my endocrinologist could explain why CICO stopped working for me. I was gaining 10 lbs a year on 1200 calories daily and was over 400 lbs when I decided it was my only choice to survive. And then got approved for a surgery that was reversible except for the removal of the greater curvature of the stomach. It was the bypass that was making me lose weight; my surgeon even commented that I was the only WLS patient he had ever had that never vomited from overeating. I can’t prove anything, but I’ve never been a big eater. That is why I have been so frustrated with all of this. I kept off everything I lost with my surgery until I was put on a medicine that affected the malabsorption, not the intake. And when i stopped it, I couldn’t lose that weight. I used to belong to a gym where my first action was to spend 1.5 hours on the stair master (allegedly burning 1500 calories each time), then doing circuits. I was positive that would work- I was going 5x a week. I added muscle. My clothes fit a little differently, but I wasn’t losing weight. I kept at it for 6 months, hoping something would change. Then I moved and there was no gym with comparable equipment- their stairmaster made my knees hurt and the rest of their equipment wasn’t much better. Then I got a severe URI and couldn’t work out for over a month because it felt like I couldn’t breathe. And when it was hard to breathe and my knees hurt all the time, I quit going.

So yeah, I’m freaking out internally because I’m stalled because of past experiences. This is the first thing that has worked in 25 years… I want it to keep working.

Raw, I posted after you and want to add a line here-

You have had a great deal of success, despite your fallbacks, but you are not what I would consider the average user.

To be 400lbs and not lose on 1200 calories seems to be an exception to a very well established rule. And you, my friend, are exceptional.

I have seen you very actively, and some times using questionable methods, trying to improve yourself. That is admirable.

Most folks do not deal with the extremes you do and that makes your journey more difficult and more unique.

I think the challenge for the people who comment is the Occam's razor approach, you are outside of the common margins on everything and that is the likely causing your extreme methods and the associated push back.