I still look fat, and I am not. (TW: dysmorphia)

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Before I tell this, just a FYI to the compassionate people; I'm not looking for comfort or reassurance, I'm fine and not in distress. I'm bringing up this topic because it might make people who are feeling this way and ARE distressed feel not alone.

So...I'm 5'5", and I'm down more than fifty pounds to 134 (as of a week ago.) I was fabulously slim (for me, I've always been heavy), and LOOKED fabulously slim to myself. I'm aiming for 125, but plan to be lazy and off-and-on about the last nine.

I am two pounds heavier today, 136. That's normal for me; I get hungry just before my cycle starts, retain a bunch of water, and then drop it all at once when my time starts.

Nothing has changed in any meaningful way about my body in the last two weeks, including my exercise routine. And all this week, I look fat. VERY fat. Like, if I saw a snapshot of myself at this weight and someone said "you gained all your weight back, look at the picture" I'd be like "Oh, I sure did, didn't I?" My arms, my face, my middle, legs, everything suddenly looks like it's the exact same size as it looked when I was fifty pounds heavier than this.

It is not even slightly true; I'm wearing size six pants. I'm wearing all small shirts, and a third of them are too big on me. I can see the number on the scale, I can see my belt that I've run out of holes in and need to punch smaller ones, there is objective evidence that what I'm seeing is not real. But I'm looking around at women I know, because we all talk openly about our weights and sizes cause half of us are on GLP-1's and the other half are curious, and some of them are bigger than me. They ALL appear to be MUCH slimmer than me.

I'm emotionally fine and not upset or hurting, because I had TERRIBLE dysmorphia when I was young ("ugly" instead of "fat", but lies are lies) and I am very practiced at shrugging, saying "Doesn't matter what I see, it's not real. And even if it were, it's not very important." and just thinking of it as a problem with my eyes, just like if I was color-blind, so that I don't get all damaged. But I think this is the first time that my eyes reported back such an OBJECTIVE lie. I explained it to a girlfriend today as "It's sort of like if you looked in the mirror, and your eyes were green. So you look at your driver's license, and your eyes are certainly brown there, and you ask all your friends 'hey, what color are my eyes?' and they answer 'Brown, why?' And no matter what evidence you compile that your eyes are brown, you just keep looking back and forth from that to the mirror, which shows that your eyes are definitely green."

I'm willing to bet that when my period starts and I suddenly drop a few more pounds, I'll look thin again til the next time I have a fluctuation, and then I'll suddenly look fat again. I assumed this sort of distortion of my own perception would fade off when I wasn't heavy anymore, but NOPE!
 
This recent weight loss is the first time I've ever experienced something like this. My wife would comment about how skinny I am but most of the time I still see normal fat me in the mirror. Then every once in a while I will catch my reflection and its like looking through my eyes at completely different person.

The cognitive dissonance is pretty wild. I'm sure I have so many images built in my brain of how I used to look that my lazy brain will keep using those. There is probably fascinating research showing how to conserve energy you don't actually see "reality(whatever that means)" most of the time because its easier to just show what you've already seen with some slight updates. Especially to things that you already "know" (what you look like).
 
I am a man so stuff that I say could/would not be true for you.

With that caveat, you should look into composition based peptides like ipamorelin and other gh secratogogues etc. Another one that was recommended to me was KLOW for collagen and tissue remodelling.

I am still not at my target weight, so I don't have a lot of information on many of these things.

Also best of luck on your growth and don't worry too much about externalities that you cant control.
 
I hear you. I'm also a smaller woman, and I was just seeing this today.

This time I took before and after photos from 134 -> 120... and I look...the...same, despite losing that weight and 2.5 belt sizes.

I think due to our short stature, we likely carry it differently on our frames. Couple that with seeing our perceived "problem" areas first, and that could be distorting the image. Old perceptions die hard. We could also have high standards, such as, athlete body or bust! 😅
 
I know this sounds bad 😅 but I'm glad to hear that others are experiencing this weird phenomenon and it isn't just me. I have lost a total of 73 lbs over the course of my weight loss journey and I just can't see what others see. I've told my wife numerous time that I have to have body dysmorphia. The only time my brain even registers that I've lost as much weight as I have is when someone comments on how different I look or when clothes that I've recently bought now have to be replaced again. For me I think it's because I've ALWAYS been obese. There is only one small period of time where I was able to lose a massive amount of weight but I wasn't able to keep it off.

As I've been going through the motions of losing weight this time I'm constantly wondering if others that have been obese for their entire life or a large portion of their life are now stuck with this image of who they are. And that for the brain to finally accept the image of this new person they have to almost turn into some gym monster or become so thin they can barely function. I am not so much distressed that I am experiencing this but more so confused and I don't know how to fix it. I know I have almost zero body confidence and I'm sure that adds a lot to it. All I can do is continue to count those calories and move heavy weights around 🤷‍♂️ and maybe one day my brain will catch up...
 
RefinedRabbit41 said:
I know this sounds bad 😅 but I'm glad to hear that others are experiencing this weird phenomenon and it isn't just me.

It doesn't sound bad. That's the reason I posted it; I always figure if I'm feeling something, it's probably normal to some degree. Also,

RefinedRabbit41 said:
And that for the brain to finally accept the image of this new person they have to almost turn into some gym monster or become so thin they can barely function.

That's the reason I won't try to "fight" this perception. Eating disorders start from a lot of different sources, but one potential seed is "I need to feel perfect." Under no circumstance will I water THAT seed. If I look fat to myself, but know that I am objectively not, one possible option is to shrug, say "What I see is not real, and at present time, I can't accurately perceive what IS" and full on decline to attach importance to what I am seeing. I think that's the one I'm going to go with for however long this lasts, maybe forever.
 
RefinedRabbit41 said:
I know this sounds bad 😅 but I'm glad to hear that others are experiencing this weird phenomenon and it isn't just me. I have lost a total of 73 lbs over the course of my weight loss journey and I just can't see what others see. I've told my wife numerous time that I have to have body dysmorphia. The only time my brain even registers that I've lost as much weight as I have is when someone comments on how different I look or when clothes that I've recently bought now have to be replaced again. For me I think it's because I've ALWAYS been obese. There is only one small period of time where I was able to lose a massive amount of weight but I wasn't able to keep it off.

As I've been going through the motions of losing weight this time I'm constantly wondering if others that have been obese for their entire life or a large portion of their life are now stuck with this image of who they are. And that for the brain to finally accept the image of this new person they have to almost turn into some gym monster or become so thin they can barely function. I am not so much distressed that I am experiencing this but more so confused and I don't know how to fix it. I know I have almost zero body confidence and I'm sure that adds a lot to it. All I can do is continue to count those calories and move heavy weights around 🤷‍♂️ and maybe one day my brain will catch up...
I think the brain will eventually catch up. I appreciate people sharing their experiences. Gives me an idea of what to expect. I’ve been considered big my entire life, and the weight continued to creep along so steadily, my perception of self couldn’t catch up.

I would probably spend a little more time in front of a mirror reacquainting with myself. I’m sure it’ll feel awkward and a little narcissistic, but the way I see it, I’m going to be wrestling with fat version of phantom limbs 😂
 
Ruckus4519 said:
but the way I see it, I’m going to be wrestling with fat version of phantom limbs 😂

Holy shit, what a bang-on metaphor. I am stealing it, it's mine, no credit will be given.
 
randompersonrandom said:
If I look fat to myself, but know that I am objectively not, one possible option is to shrug, say "What I see is not real, and at present time, I can't accurately perceive what IS" and full on decline to attach importance to what I am seeing.
That does sound like it could help with acceptance of your own brains reality. It's is definitely a good time then to check in with oneself and to ask why you are pursuing a healthier body through weight loss and whatever other means are being used. Because now it would be difficult for it to be about how you look as your perceived reality does not match what is being seen by others. I'm happy that I have a strong reason why I'm wanting to change my body's composition and health...otherwise my fuel source for doing this whole thing would have ran out long ago 😅

I've found that GLP-1's are just a tool that moves a time based slider while the real machinations of health and physique are time paid with sweat and a meticulous examination of what's going into the body. Perfection will never be achieved because it does not exist and becoming happy with yourself always seems to be just out of reach but well worth pursuing 😁
 
Ruckus4519 said:
I think the brain will eventually catch up. I appreciate people sharing their experiences. Gives me an idea of what to expect. I’ve been considered big my entire life, and the weight continued to creep along so steadily, my perception of self couldn’t catch up.

I would probably spend a little more time in front of a mirror reacquainting with myself. I’m sure it’ll feel awkward and a little narcissistic, but the way I see it, I’m going to be wrestling with fat version of phantom limbs 😂
I really hope it does! It would be nice to be able to appreciate the work that is put in you know?

Nothing wrong with some gazing 🤣 but I will say one thing that might help you that I didn't do. Take some progress pictures! I didn't do it and I don't think I could still because I just don't like how I look but when I see others that post them they silently speak volumes!
 
oh, I also love the fat phantom limb metaphor!

I for sure have some body dysmorphia going, I have been fat my whole adult life and currently I am objectively not fat but I think I am. I'm at a weight that when I was fat seemed like such a far goal and I knew I'd be so thin when I weighed 150lbs but here I am, 150lbs and still fat, it's tricksy.
 
I'm down over 70 lbs. I'm hovering around 125-128. I still have a hard time thinking I need to buy S and XS clothes. I have a big event coming up and I have returned and had to re order almost ever item of clothes I bought. I still see myself as that 190+/- lb 5ft tall almost 60 year old. I have been overweight for probably 40 of those years
 
randompersonrandom said:
Before I tell this, just a FYI to the compassionate people; I'm not looking for comfort or reassurance, I'm fine and not in distress. I'm bringing up this topic because it might make people who are feeling this way and ARE distressed feel not alone.

So...I'm 5'5", and I'm down more than fifty pounds to 134 (as of a week ago.) I was fabulously slim (for me, I've always been heavy), and LOOKED fabulously slim to myself. I'm aiming for 125, but plan to be lazy and off-and-on about the last nine.

I am two pounds heavier today, 136. That's normal for me; I get hungry just before my cycle starts, retain a bunch of water, and then drop it all at once when my time starts.

Nothing has changed in any meaningful way about my body in the last two weeks, including my exercise routine. And all this week, I look fat. VERY fat. Like, if I saw a snapshot of myself at this weight and someone said "you gained all your weight back, look at the picture" I'd be like "Oh, I sure did, didn't I?" My arms, my face, my middle, legs, everything suddenly looks like it's the exact same size as it looked when I was fifty pounds heavier than this.

It is not even slightly true; I'm wearing size six pants. I'm wearing all small shirts, and a third of them are too big on me. I can see the number on the scale, I can see my belt that I've run out of holes in and need to punch smaller ones, there is objective evidence that what I'm seeing is not real. But I'm looking around at women I know, because we all talk openly about our weights and sizes cause half of us are on GLP-1's and the other half are curious, and some of them are bigger than me. They ALL appear to be MUCH slimmer than me.

I'm emotionally fine and not upset or hurting, because I had TERRIBLE dysmorphia when I was young ("ugly" instead of "fat", but lies are lies) and I am very practiced at shrugging, saying "Doesn't matter what I see, it's not real. And even if it were, it's not very important." and just thinking of it as a problem with my eyes, just like if I was color-blind, so that I don't get all damaged. But I think this is the first time that my eyes reported back such an OBJECTIVE lie. I explained it to a girlfriend today as "It's sort of like if you looked in the mirror, and your eyes were green. So you look at your driver's license, and your eyes are certainly brown there, and you ask all your friends 'hey, what color are my eyes?' and they answer 'Brown, why?' And no matter what evidence you compile that your eyes are brown, you just keep looking back and forth from that to the mirror, which shows that your eyes are definitely green."

I'm willing to bet that when my period starts and I suddenly drop a few more pounds, I'll look thin again til the next time I have a fluctuation, and then I'll suddenly look fat again. I assumed this sort of distortion of my own perception would fade off when I wasn't heavy anymore, but NOPE!
Very relatable. Sometimes I go look at my before pictures and use those to get a reality check. I still have a good 25-30lbs to go, but the old 320lb me, rears it's head and becomes what I see in the mirror.

So I keep my before pictures and roll them out and take a glance to see how far I have come and not get lost in the sauce of what I have left to do.
 
Update: my period started today, and the scale dropped to 134.4 (previous low was 134.6, which I refuse to round up.) And once again, I look fabulously slim in the mirror.

I'd be tempted to assume that 134 is simply the weight at which I look slim to myself, but I know better, because I once figured that number was 157, then 149, then 143, then 139. My brain is just being a gremlin.
 
randompersonrandom said:
Update: my period started today, and the scale dropped to 134.4 (previous low was 134.6, which I refuse to round up.) And once again, I look fabulously slim in the mirror.

I'd be tempted to assume that 134 is simply the weight at which I look slim to myself, but I know better, because I once figured that number was 157, then 149, then 143, then 139. My brain is just being a gremlin.
PMS can definitely do that to you. Its not easy but when your mind is telling you those things, tell it to stop/shut up/stfu -whatever works for you & remind yourself that you have lost so much & are doing a great job. really 50lbs is AMAZING!! & a Huge amount to loose. I don't know if you've seen them but check out a 50lb bag of rice to see how much that is. Or even a 50lb bag of dog food.

Im the same height & want to loose 50lb to be 125. Nothing has worked yet, so try to remember there are people who want to have the success that you have.

Mine started today too boooooo!! ha ha 🙂
 
WLBLD said:
PMS can definitely do that to you. Its not easy but when your mind is telling you those things, tell it to stop/shut up/stfu -whatever works for you & remind yourself that you have lost so much & are doing a great job. really 50lbs is AMAZING!! & a Huge amount to loose. I don't know if you've seen them but check out a 50lb bag of rice to see how much that is. Or even a 50lb bag of dog food.

Im the same height & want to loose 50lb to be 125. Nothing has worked yet, so try to remember there are people who want to have the success that you have.

Mine started today too boooooo!! ha ha 🙂
My duck food bags weigh fifty pounds, and when I'm hauling one from the spare room to the back hall, I think about how I used to haul that much of MYSELF.
 
randompersonrandom said:
My duck food bags weigh fifty pounds, and when I'm hauling one from the spare room to the back hall, I think about how I used to haul that much of MYSELF.
Exactly, sometimes you just need a visualization!! Those bags are HUGE & HEAVY!! You did it!! 🙂

If you don't mind me asking, how long did it take you?
 
WLBLD said:
Exactly, sometimes you just need a visualization!! Those bags are HUGE & HEAVY!! You did it!! 🙂

If you don't mind me asking, how long did it take you?
I started working at it last May (186), and got on tirzepatide in late July (176). I have not been terribly disciplined since I hit the low 140's; I work at loss for a week or two, then mostly don't try very hard for two more, then resume. I'd have been done by now if I'd been more disciplined and worked harder at it, but once I got down to "normal weight", I stopped letting it be a hobby/hyperfixation in exchange for slower loss.
 
randompersonrandom said:
I started working at it last May (186), and got on tirzepatide in late July (176). I have not been terribly disciplined since I hit the low 140's; I work at loss for a week or two, then mostly don't try very hard for two more, then resume. I'd have been done by now if I'd been more disciplined and worked harder at it, but once I got down to "normal weight", I stopped letting it be a hobby/hyperfixation in exchange for slower loss.
I think the key is everything in moderation. Everyone deserves a treat & a break!! 🙂
 
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