Hgh OR Tesa OR Cjc/ipa

[Smiter]

Then use creatine, whey protein alpha, with Myotor and velositol, with glutamine. You could also look at Testagen, enclomiphene

I should elaborate on the 2 years, have been weightlifting most my life on and off. The last 2 years have just been more locked in, with not missing a session for the last year, eating mostly on point throughout bulks and cuts.

Last 4-5 months, i have just hit a platteau that i cannot break. I did make a mistake with Reta and using too much, too quick. Large hit to my weights and muscle that I am trying to re-gain currently.

I wouldnt say I look like a beginner lifter tho and definitely know my way around the gym. Anabolics is all just new to me.

I would not use HGH unless I had to. TRT itself I wouldnt want to, but still better than HGH. IGF-1 DES could help you out as well as MGF. Just make sure you cycle the latter two, and never use them concurrently. If you want to break the plateau, think about using something you haven't. I mean some non-steroidal supplements.

 

[jimmyjames01 54791]

I would not use HGH unless I had to. TRT itself I wouldnt want to, but still better than HGH. IGF-1 DES could help you out as well as MGF. Just make sure you cycle the latter two, and never use them concurrently. If you want to break the plateau, think about using something you haven't. I mean some non-steroidal supplements.

I Currently use most non anabolic supps, creatine, whey, bcaas.

HGH i am still on the fence with, a lot of people just saying it supplements test well.

From my research and bloods, test E is definitely something i want to start for TRT.

Why IGF, over tesa and cjc/ipa?

And MGF i have never heard of but will look into.

 

[Smiter]

I Currently use most non anabolic supps, creatine, whey, bcaas.

HGH i am still on the fence with, a lot of people just saying it supplements test well.

From my research and bloods, test E is definitely something i want to start for TRT.

Why IGF, over tesa and cjc/ipa?

And MGF i have never heard of but will look into.

Get the GNC Wheybolic Alpha and thank me later.

Sure GH supplements Test. They are both anabolic, but the sides are the issue. GH causes water retention and bloat, and if I remember you wanna cut weight right? break your plateau?

The anabolic effect of GH is achieved through IGF action anyway. Tesa/cjc/ipa/their mother/whoever are secretagogues of HGH. So the end result of all of them for muscle building aspect is to use somatomedin aka IGF. Why bother if you can take IGF straight up? About Test, enanthate, cypionate and propionate are the most sought after esters, but I would stay off for as long as possible. You can use enclomiphene, Testagen, etc if you wanna try boosting your natural production.

And MGF is best used as pEG MGF for long lasting effects. Mechano Growth Factor. It's the synthesized version of IGF that focuses on muscle building with minimal effect on blood sugar.

Here is the AI bit on it.

PEG-MGF (Pegylated Mechano-Growth Factor) is a synthetic peptide derived from IGF-1. It is designed to repair tissue and promote muscle growth. By attaching polyethylene glycol (PEG) to the molecule, scientists bypass the short half-life of natural MGF, allowing it to remain active in the bloodstream for up to 72 hours.

artgerecht +3

How It Works & Key Benefits

Satellite Cell Activation: It promotes the activation and division of satellite cells, which fuse with damaged muscle fibers to repair tears and build muscle.

Tissue Repair: It is used in studies researching recovery from exercise, severe injuries, and conditions like sarcopenia.

Systemic vs. Local: Unlike standard MGF, which acts locally and degrades in minutes, PEG-MGF travels systemically to repair multiple muscle groups over days

Research & Safety Considerations

Regulation: PEG-MGF is classified as a performance-enhancing substance by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and is prohibited for athletes in competitive sports.

Scientific Status: The majority of data on PEG-MGF is drawn from animal or in-vitro laboratory studies. It is largely sold as a "Research Use Only" (RUO) compound and lacks human clinical trials for general health or performance.

Side Effects: Potential side effects observed in research models include fluid retention, tingling or numbness at the injection site, and potential interactions with natural insulin levels.

 

[dancs]

Get the GNC Wheybolic Alpha and thank me later.

Sure GH supplements Test. They are both anabolic, but the sides are the issue. GH causes water retention and bloat, and if I remember you wanna cut weight right? break your plateau?

The anabolic effect of GH is achieved through IGF action anyway. Tesa/cjc/ipa/their mother/whoever are secretagogues of HGH. So the end result of all of them for muscle building aspect is to use somatomedin aka IGF. Why bother if you can take IGF straight up? About Test, enanthate, cypionate and propionate are the most sought after esters, but I would stay off for as long as possible. You can use enclomiphene, Testagen, etc if you wanna try boosting your natural production.

And MGF is best used as pEG MGF for long lasting effects. Mechano Growth Factor. It's the synthesized version of IGF that focuses on muscle building with minimal effect on blood sugar.

Here is the AI bit on it.

PEG-MGF (Pegylated Mechano-Growth Factor) is a synthetic peptide derived from IGF-1. It is designed to repair tissue and promote muscle growth. By attaching polyethylene glycol (PEG) to the molecule, scientists bypass the short half-life of natural MGF, allowing it to remain active in the bloodstream for up to 72 hours.

artgerecht +3

How It Works & Key Benefits

Satellite Cell Activation: It promotes the activation and division of satellite cells, which fuse with damaged muscle fibers to repair tears and build muscle.

Tissue Repair: It is used in studies researching recovery from exercise, severe injuries, and conditions like sarcopenia.

Systemic vs. Local: Unlike standard MGF, which acts locally and degrades in minutes, PEG-MGF travels systemically to repair multiple muscle groups over days

Research & Safety Considerations

Regulation: PEG-MGF is classified as a performance-enhancing substance by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and is prohibited for athletes in competitive sports.

Scientific Status: The majority of data on PEG-MGF is drawn from animal or in-vitro laboratory studies. It is largely sold as a "Research Use Only" (RUO) compound and lacks human clinical trials for general health or performance.

Side Effects: Potential side effects observed in research models include fluid retention, tingling or numbness at the injection site, and potential interactions with natural insulin levels.

What about anavar?

 

[jimmyjames01 54791]

What about anavar?

Heard of it, also head side effects were pretty severe.

I dont really want to speed up my receding hairline too much

 

[Smiter]

What about anavar?

What about it? I'm using it to spare muscle loss

 

[Smiter]

head side effects were pretty severe

Wrong..thats likely Anadrol

 

[Smiter]

Enjoy

 

[dancs]

Enjoy

I did some research though I think I did alot.... But Anavar is supposedly the least riskiest roid on the market right now, but understandably, the weakest/slowest accumulation, right?

I'm about to start HGH tomorrow so I was going to ween off of LR3 and CJC/IPA blend in the next 2 weeks. OR I can start anavar when it comes in this Wednesday and stop LR3, CJC/IPA altogether?

What's the right move?

 

[Smiter]

But Anavar is supposedly the least riskiest roid on the market right now, but understandably, the weakest/slowest accumulation, right?

It is the least riskiest, but it is NOT the weakest or the slowest accumulation. Look at the ratio pics..The more anabolic something is, the stronger it is. Testosterone is 100 on the scale for anabolic and androgenic effect. Anavar is at least three times more anabolic than testosterone. I have taken only two tabs so far and already I can feel the clear changes.

 

[dancs]

It is the least riskiest, but it is NOT the weakest or the slowest accumulation. Look at the ratio pics..The more anabolic something is, the stronger it is. Testosterone is 100 on the scale for anabolic and androgenic effect. Anavar is at least three times more anabolic than testosterone. I have taken only two tabs so far and already I can feel the clear changes.

I heard 2 doses a day at 20mg total for beginners.

Should I take a more conservative dose or follow that?

 

[Smiter]

OR I can start anavar when it comes in this Wednesday and stop LR3, CJC/IPA altogether?

Whats your goal?. If you had IGF-DES or pEG MGF, and test E then Anavar would be perfect. Yeah I wont play with any GH, secretagogues or somatotropin itself. The whole point about Anavar is to avoid water retention, joint issues..Adding GH will screw that.

 

[Smiter]

I heard 2 doses a day at 20mg total for beginners.

Should I take a more conservative dose or follow that?

I am 245lbs, 6"3 and am using 10mg EOD. I may move to 10mg daily after two weeks...maybe...Based on your size, you can make your estimate.

 

[dancs]

I am 245lbs, 6"3 and am using 10mg EOD. I may move to 10mg daily after two weeks...maybe...Based on your size, you can make your estimate.

Ahh...

I'm 205 and 6'2 and just started taking peps back in March. IGF and CJC only about 3 weeks ago.

If you're taking a lower dose than the "beginner" then I need to be even more conservative.

Probably 10mg twice a week, maybe 3 times a week max.

I'll also get DES and PEG if it ever comes through the BST groups. I can't be waiting 2 months for products from CN (still waiting on FURONG).

So anavar, but no HGH.

It's definitely mixed reviews - half are saying hgh is safer and better long term, the other half are saying anavar is faster results than hgh but higher risk profile.

Sheesh.

 

[wildweasel]

What about anavar?

this guy

 

[Smiter]

Ahh...

I'm 205 and 6'2 and just started taking peps back in March. IGF and CJC only about 3 weeks ago.

If you're taking a lower dose than the "beginner" then I need to be even more conservative.

Probably 10mg twice a week, maybe 3 times a week max.

I'll also get DES and PEG if it ever comes through the BST groups. I can't be waiting 2 months for products from CN (still waiting on FURONG).

So anavar, but no HGH.

It's definitely mixed reviews - half are saying hgh is safer and better long term, the other half are saying anavar is faster results than hgh but higher risk profile.

Sheesh.

oops...responded in another thread.

 

[Calm Logic]

The whole point about Anavar is to avoid water retention, joint issues..Adding GH will screw that.

Or just avoid all unnatural steroids and stick to testosterone. Before Anavar/oxandrolone was unapproved by the FDA, it had a black box warning. (Not that you are necessarily getting oxandrolone by ordering "Anavar" from a "source" unless it is a compounding pharmacy. Ordering direct from China is probably better than the domestic black-market sources, if you can't stop the self-abuse.)

 

[Smiter]

Or just avoid all unnatural steroids and stick to testosterone. Before Anavar/oxandrolone was unapproved by the FDA, it had a black box warning.

That is one option, but if the goal is unnatural=bad then GLp's fall in that category along with all medicines. About FDA approval and disapproval- COVID vaccines, and putting all steroids as schedule IV. Cigarettes have warning too.. All that to say, anything in excess will be toxic...even oxygen....so, you know..

 

[Smiter]

Ordering direct from China is probably better than domestic steroid sources, if you can't stop the self-abuse.

Oh yeah, I get that side of my stuff from India...from actual pharmacies.

 

[Calm Logic]

That is one option, but if the goal is unnatural=bad then GLp's fall in that category along with all medicines.

As freaky as exogenous (or even supraphysiological) testosterone may be, it is far less freaky than oxandrolone, which is obviously not naturally present in the body.

Oh yeah, I get that side of my stuff from India...from actual pharmacies.

In general, India does not test as well as China for AAS. And it's not like Sun Pharma is producing the oxandrolone tablets.

You can rationalize your bro science all you want. But even the burn units are moving away from using oxandrolone, for better or worse.

The FDA's black box warning, before oxandrolone was unapproved:

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