Hgh OR Tesa OR Cjc/ipa

[Smiter]

which is obviously not naturally present in the body

Neither is acetaminophen or antibiotics, TB-500, Tesa, CJC, etc.

India does not test as well as China for AAS

quite possible, and thats why over the last decades folks use the tried and tested producers.

 

[Jrammi]

China does not appear to export HGH anymore.

 

[sfkid]

38 year old male, been going to the gym constantly for about 2 years.

Been on Reta for about 6 weeks now and down to 81kg. Sitting around 12-15% body fat.

I want to add in some other peptides now to assist with gaining lean muscle.

Would you recommend microdosing HGH due to my age, or just adding tesa or CJC/Ipa to my daily peptides?

For anyone that is taking HGH, what is your daily microdose amount?

You might end up having to go CJC route because I see almost all vendors are no longer shipping HGH...

 

[DrPEPr]

To each their own but this logic does not reflect the experiences of my RS or those around them at all. If your T is not naturally at an optimal level and you are approaching 40, a small dose of T 140-150 per week can double if not triple your levels. Combine that with low natural igf1 levels and you are stunted on your progress regardless of your regimen. Supplementing your T production is a long term decision for sure, but low levels of supplementation does not destroy your endocrine system as dramatically as mainstream media portays. If you start blasting extreme amounts then you are playing with fire, but the name of the game is optimization here and trt + tesa can absolutely optimize your hormones. 2 years of hard work is not really a beginner in my book either, ive seen people go from 0-hero in that amount of time. Just my 2c

A lot to disect here.

If your T is not naturally at an optimal level and you are approaching 40, a small dose of T 140-150 per week can double if not triple your levels.

This depends entirely on the OP's baseline testosterone levels, which we currently do not know.

From personal experience, my total test level was 950–1000 ng/dL when I was 40 (and it sits around 900 now at 46). If I were to put myself on a standard TRT dose like 140–150 mg/week, I would likely end up with the exact same levels I have naturally (or possibly even lower). Every individual responds differently to exogenous hormones, but as a rule of thumb, a 100 mg/week dose typically yields around 700–900 ng/dL.

Before anyone touches a syringe, they need comprehensive bloodwork. Blindly throwing a standard TRT dose at someone without a baseline is guessing, not optimizing.

but low levels of supplementation does not destroy your endocrine system as dramatically as mainstream media portays.

I am not sure what the mainstream media has to do with clinical endocrinology, but let’s be clear on the science: any dose of exogenous testosterone will completely shut down the HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Gonadal Axis). Your natural production drops to zero whether you inject 1 mg or 5000 mg.

What is true is that true TRT doses (replacing hormone levels within normal physiological ranges) carry a drastically different health and safety profile compared to supraphysiological doses ("blasting"). But shutdown is shutdown.

2 years of hard work is not really a beginner in my book either, ive seen people go from 0-hero in that amount of time.

You are conflating two different concepts here.

Yes, a beginner who starts with a terrible lifestyle and locks in their diet and training for two years will experience a massive visual transformation ("zero to hero").

However, in the context of progressive overload and physical adaptation, someone with only two years of consistent lifting is still largely coasting on "newbie gains," which can yield progress for up to 3 to 5 years. Even if we argue semantics and label the OP an "intermediate," a plateau at the 2-year mark is almost never a hormonal limitation that requires clinical intervention. It is far more likely a bottleneck in training intensity, volume, or caloric intake that a smart programming adjustment can easily fix.

@jimmyjames01 If you want to run anabolics, that is completely your call (it's your body). But my advice would be to treat it as a true cycle rather than framing it as TRT. Simply replacing the natural testosterone levels you already have won't get you anywhere.

First, get comprehensive bloodwork done (a complete hormone panel). If everything looks clear, start with a testosterone-only cycle at a moderate dose (e.g., 200–250 mg) to see how your body responds. Get bloodwork done again 3 to 4 weeks into the cycle to check your markers and see how you are reacting (specifically to monitor if you are a high aromatizer or prone to other side effects).

I highly recommend split-dosing (3 to 4 micro-injections per week) rather than a single weekly bolus dose, as this will keep your serum levels much more stable and mitigate estrogen spikes.

Whatever you decide to do, power to you.

 

[Suisei]

To gain muscle I would use aas and/or HGH (at least 3iu ed) + IGF-1 LR3/PEG-MGF (switch between them every 4 weeks, 50-100mcg ed), but if you only care about for better recovery/sleep cjc no dac and ipa work just fine in my experience.

 

[Smiter]

To gain muscle I would use aas and/or HGH (at least 3iu ed) + IGF-1 LR3/PEG-MGF (switch between them every 4 weeks, 50-100mcg ed), but if you only care about for better recovery/sleep cjc no dac and ipa work just fine in my experience.

HGH, AAS, and IGF LR???? overkill and dangerous, especially GH and IGF

 

[Suisei]

HGH, AAS, and IGF LR???? overkill and dangerous, especially GH and IGF

Shouldnt be dangerous if you manage your glucose levels and limit the usage

Risks such as organ enlargement, cancer etc are wildly overblown. (especially on doses as low as 3iu ed, doses for ISS are 2-4x that)

Metformin, berberine are good ancilliaries for ensuring safety and on an above TRT dosed AAS cycle youre going to have to use AIs or secondary anabolics to control estrogen anyways

HGH needs to be taken for a few months to really notice all the effects, but I can agree that exogenous IGF can be limited to when you experience a bottleneck in the amount of IGF-1 produced in your body

 

[Smiter]

Shouldnt be dangerous if you manage your glucose levels and limit the usage

Risks such as organ enlargement, cancer etc are wildly overblown. (especially on doses as low as 3iu ed, doses for ISS are 2-4x that)

Metformin, berberine are good ancilliaries for ensuring safety and on an above TRT dosed AAS cycle youre going to have to use AIs or secondary anabolics to control estrogen anyways

HGH needs to be taken for a few months to really notice all the effects, but I can agree that exogenous IGF can be limited to when you experience a bottleneck in the amount of IGF-1 produced in your body

I was thinking of IGF-DES instead of LR3

 

[Suisei]

I was thinking of IGF-DES instead of LR3

On a budget it would work great pre-workout, but it doesnt go systemic in the same way as LR3 so if you have the money I believe LR3 is the better choice

 

[Smiter]

On a budget it would work great pre-workout, but it doesnt go systemic in the same way as LR3 so if you have the money I believe LR3 is the better choice

Well, it's because it doesn't go systemic that I hold it better. High systemic IGF levels are a problem. DES lasts only for 30minutes. But the biggest kicker is that DES is 10 times more potent. Also, with AAS, IGF will be raised systemically.

 

[jimmyjames01 54791]

Decided to just run test e, and cjc/ipa for now.

I have ordered pulling needles for the test e but for now only have 31g needles

I managed to pull back test e with thsse needles, is it fine to inject or should i just wait for the proper needles to arrive?