Grey market TRT?

[jason370]

Is this even a thing? I'm surprised i never see any mention of it. I know the legit route is plenty cheap but it could always be cheaper, right?

 

[Calm Logic]

It's a thing. But it often devolves into steroid abuse.

Cost of Rx testosterone is similar to grey or at least not as far off as with Rx GLPs:

https://www.goodrx.com/testosterone-cypionate?label_override=testosterone-cypionate&form=vial&dosage=10ml-of-200mg-ml&quantity=1&drugId=32735

 

[Mr. Blonde]

It's a thing. It ascends into a steroid partnership

 

[Calm Logic]

It's an open question how the Meso bros with money to burn on 20 supplements/ancillaries, injecting Repatha, and getting more bloodwork than the sick and elderly will fare in mitigating the damage to their cardiovascular system, prostate, liver, kidneys, testicles, insulin sensitivity, etc. Even without steroid use, polypharmacy for several decades can be a health risk.

 

[OldManStrength]

It’s definitely an option, especially for people that don’t have insurance for whatever reason. It can be done properly, but like anything you do on your own, education is the first step. In today’s day and age the available educational information and access to peer review studies is unbelievable!

Next requires health screening(s), which can all be done on your own through independent laboratories as well as out-of-pocket medical evaluation of your test results. Some tests are very expensive. Next much like peptides, is sourcing your compound(s), this should also be accompanied by source product testing and your own independent testing. Their ways to frequently. monitor your blood work through subscriptions, and there are hosts of credentialed professionals who consult for a fee.

As soon as I get my body composition and some health factors in check, I will be ready to start my own TRT. Years ago, I was involved in and surrounded by competitive bodybuilders, so I have a very strong educational background on PEDs, as well as the discipline to not overdo it because I have lost several friends who abuse substances over the last few decades!

 

[Kalius]

At least in the United States testosterone is a controlled substance, so it would be black market, not grey market. That being said, it’s fairly easy to get, and usually people aren’t really targeted for buying personal medications, it’s the people buying enough quantity to sell that get scrutinized to my understanding. It’s much easier to go to an online clinic so you have a script. Some clinics are way cheaper than others.

 

[sfkid]

It's an open question how the Meso bros with money to burn on 20 supplements/ancillaries, injecting Repatha, and getting more bloodwork than the sick and elderly will fare in mitigating the damage to their cardiovascular system, prostate, liver, kidneys, testicles, insulin sensitivity, etc. Even without steroid use, polypharmacy for several decades can be a health risk.

Yeah but they are not doing trt . Those guys are chasing God status which most will never achieve to do genetics.

 

[BNLFL]

I'll bet money if I ever make an appointment with a urologist they'll put me on this. My kid wants me to start doing it, but I'll wait for the doc and a script. I think it's injections or a cream. I think I can handle blasting myself.

 

[Calm Logic]

Yeah but they are not doing trt . Those guys are chasing God status which most will never achieve to do genetics.

Yeah, some of the insanity is Dr. Phil material:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcOJadwsn5c

View: https://youtu.be/u1VQyDPWg0k?si=LIEx8ozHmTou_uo6

The younger guys are usually less able/willing to afford the (half-ass) harm-reduction measures.

The real hypocrisy is when the 40-somethings at Meso tell the 20-somethings that it's too dangerous. A gram of steroids a week is not safe at any age or even relatively safe.

The bro science is what enables guys on DIY TRT to be willing to subject themselves to other steroids as well. It's all on the same pricelist, so it's normalized. The biggest danger of DIY TRT is the slippery slope.

 

[sfkid]

I'll bet money if I ever make an appointment with a urologist they'll put me on this. My kid wants me to start doing it, but I'll wait for the doc and a script. I think it's injections or a cream. I think I can handle blasting myself.

If you are curious just spend 100 bucks and get your own blood hormone panel done. Then you can now if you want to go further.

 

[Calm Logic]

Even the docs who refuse to do TRT will usually give in to a request for checking testosterone and other hormone levels, especially if there are complaints of symptoms like low libido, fatigue, etc. (A complaint of mild ED or performance anxiety is also good for getting Cialis 5 mg daily, which also seems good for the vascular system by raising nitric oxide.)

Not that anyone is usually interested, but HCG monotherapy is an alternative to testosterone for TRT:

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin monotherapy for the treatment of hypogonadal symptoms in men with total testosterone > 300 ng/dL - PMC

The 2018 American Urological Association guidelines on the Evaluation and Management of Testosterone Deficiency recommended that 300 ng/dL be used as the threshold for prescribing testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). However, it is not uncommon ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

View: https://youtu.be/EhP5RvXBi7s?si=Fdbcpe0JHyk2z2gY

 

[Vash_]

Gray Market? No

Black Market? Yes

Nothing "gray" about steroids.

Check out Meso. People have been buying steroids for a loooong time.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Steroidwiki.com

Good resource. Has sources ranked.

 

[Kalius]

Yeah, some of the insanity is Dr. Phil material:

The younger guys are usually less able/willing to afford the (half-ass) harm-reduction measures.

The real hypocrisy is when the 40-somethings at Meso tell the 20-somethings that it's too dangerous. A gram of steroids a week is not safe at any age or even relatively safe.

The bro science is what enables guys on DIY TRT to be willing to subject themselves to other steroids as well. It's all on the same pricelist, so it's normalized. The biggest danger of DIY TRT is the slippery slope.

I’m not saying there aren’t guys out there cruising/ blasting responsibly, because there are, but most are very uneducated or so driven that they push far past calculated risk.

I am on trt with a 150mg/week script, but I only do 120mg/week because 150mg gets me a little emotionally reactive, nothing major, but even a hint of that and I am looking for solutions. I don’t like AIs because I had an estradiol crash once on a low dose and I’ll never do that again. My test was 197 when I started treatment and now it ranges from 700-800 which is fine with me. It helped brain fog, fatigue and attention issues. I do lift, but the trt isn’t for that.

Being on testosterone though does make pushing further tempting, but I’ll never do it, but I can see it being a gateway to more serious doses and problematic steroid use. I am 20 years in 12 step recovery so I stay inside my boundaries.

I get worried about the younger guys though because most are jumping into it before their central nervous system is finished being developed, taking HGH before their growth plates are finished, etc.

 

[fatdude]

It's a thing. But it often devolves into steroid abuse.

Cost of Rx testosterone is similar to grey or at least not as far off as with Rx GLPs:

https://www.goodrx.com/testosterone-cypionate?label_override=testosterone-cypionate&form=vial&dosage=10ml-of-200mg-ml&quantity=1&drugId=32735

Cost of rx is 20-30x more. I paid $200 for 20 vials of test c 250 which is literally years and years worth, thats less than 1 months at a clinic.

 

[Colorado121]

Cost of rx is 20-30x more. I paid $200 for 20 vials of test c 250 which is literally years and years worth, thats less than 1 months at a clinic.

Where do you get it that cheap?

 

[Vash_]

Cost of rx is 20-30x more. I paid $200 for 20 vials of test c 250 which is literally years and years worth, thats less than 1 months at a clinic.

Haven’t seen kits that cheap in over a year. Dm me you source if you don’t mind.

 

[fatdude]

Haven’t seen kits that cheap in over a year. Dm me you source if you don’t mind.

It was SSA who are now gone, but it can still be found for way cheaper than a clinic.

 

[Calm Logic]

Cost of rx is 20-30x more. I paid $200 for 20 vials of test c 250 which is literally years and years worth, thats less than 1 months at a clinic.

In my state, a Class 4 felony for simple possession of a $10 a vial from the late SSA vs. legal test-c from Walgreens for $50-something. If a person really needs TRT, even some PCPs will prescribe it. Keyword is need.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

In my state, a Class 4 felony for $10 a vial from the late SSA vs. legal test-c from Walgreens for $50-something. If a person really needs TRT, even some PCPs will prescribe it. Keyword is need.

Like I always say..."I need it because I want it" !