Good peptides to stack with Reta for Muscle growth

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Starting a new cycle of Reta soon - I am pretty consistent with weights but I was wondering what people's experienced were who stack peptides with reta for muscle growth, I've heard of CJC, ipamorelin but I have not researched much on them, does anyone take these with reta and what are your experiences? Worth taking for muscle growth?
 
I’m on Reta, Growth and Test. Small doses of Reta and Growth. The Test obviously has help with muscle mass. Starting to lean out now with the Reta and Growth.
 
Vash_ said:
I’m on Reta, Growth and Test. Small doses of Reta and Growth. The Test obviously has help with muscle mass. Starting to lean out now with the Reta and Growth.
Yep, you got it - the Holy Trinity: reta, hgh and test. If you can’t commit to hgh, you can throw money at secretagogues - ipa, tesa, etc.
 
RENjutsu said:
Starting a new cycle of Reta soon - I am pretty consistent with weights but I was wondering what people's experienced were who stack peptides with reta for muscle growth, I've heard of CJC, ipamorelin but I have not researched much on them, does anyone take these with reta and what are your experiences? Worth taking for muscle growth?
If you're going to use the secretagagues CJC/Tessa/Ipa/Serm, you should get your IGF1 tested before/during/after so you know what you're doing (it's almost impossible to test GH directly & accurately). Note that you WILL gain water weight, and you WILL be more hungry so you might get body recomp, but have to raise your GLP1 a lot to keep losing any weight. You'll also probably sleep better and recover faster so it's all trade offs and what you're trying to accomplish. They can boost your levels to high normal without causing your body to down regulate. If you're young, going on TRT is a life choice that will likely affect production for a year or more. At least your endogenous GH will recover relatively quickly (a week), if you stop directly supplimenting it.
 
latviantower said:
Yep, you got it - the Holy Trinity: reta, hgh and test. If you can’t commit to hgh, you can throw money at secretagogues - ipa, tesa, etc.
Forgive my lack of knowledge in this area, I know test can affect natural levels when you cycle off, with secretagogues is this different? They just stimulate the hormone when you are on cycle to increase muscle growth and when you are off you don't really suffer a "pull back"? Or am I wrong
 
Endogenous hgh production recovers fairly quickly once hgh or secretagogues are stopped. Don't forget to test blood sugars and hb1ac before and during use as well as igf-1 and while you are at it make sure blood pressure and lipids are ok . Muscle growth is not worth diabetes or heart attacks. Also if young maybe not a great idea. Long term therapies that increase hgh are probably overall health negative not positive, generally animals with low hgh live longer than ones with normal or higher levels, long term therapy in humans is not well studied, so at least think about long vs short term benefits and costs. And look up adverse effects of therapies as well so you will understand what is going on if you get carpal tunnel syndrome etc. Lower rather than higher doses are a lot safer, what MESO considers normal is massively supraphysiological.
 
RENjutsu said:
Forgive my lack of knowledge in this area, I know test can affect natural levels when you cycle off, with secretagogues is this different? They just stimulate the hormone when you are on cycle to increase muscle growth and when you are off you don't really suffer a "pull back"? Or am I wrong
Lessthanhalf wrote a brilliant response. Hgh and testosterone therapies are heavily dependent on personal goals and especially age. If you’re less than 50-ish and not clinically diagnosed with low levels, think very deliberately before embarking on a course of therapy. Recommended dosages for the non-Meso community are low - 1 iu for women, 2 iu for men. Don’t expect to see dramatic results - this is a marathon, not a sprint. I’ve been counseled that it will take a minimum of six months to really see body recomp, assuming you’re engaging in strength training. The good news about hgh is that when you stop adding exogenously, your pituitary gland will kick back in within about a week and you’ll produce your own again.

Testosterone therapy is probably a bigger decision, as this can easily be a lifetime commitment. If you’re a male in the “Wannabe a daddy” zone, you really need to think this through. You can add hcg to preserve fertility, more drastically you could freeze a bunch of your swimmers. As with hgh, dosing is highly dependent on your mindset and your goals. If you pursue the anti-aging, moderate fitness goal as a middle aged or senior, think TRT levels (or slightly above) - no more than 175-200 mg per week. Test was traditionally done IM, but more recent recommendations are trending to SQ - more steady and slow absorption with lower chance of aromatization (raises estrogen levels).

For both of these plus reta, establishing your baselines is crucial. CMP, hormones (LH,FSH, total T, free T, estradiol) and don’t forget IGF.

Get that bloodwork done before the first shot! Then start nice and slow and retest in 8-12 weeks.

Me personally - 60-ish male, was 275, now 175 (thanks tirz!) - daily routine: 25 mg Test C SQ in the am, 2 iu hgh before bed. 10 mg tirz on Sunday, 5 mg reta on Wednesday. Retesting soon.
 
latviantower said:
Lessthanhalf wrote a brilliant response. Hgh and testosterone therapies are heavily dependent on personal goals and especially age. If you’re less than 50-ish and not clinically diagnosed with low levels, think very deliberately before embarking on a course of therapy. Recommended dosages for the non-Meso community are low - 1 iu for women, 2 iu for men. Don’t expect to see dramatic results - this is a marathon, not a sprint. I’ve been counseled that it will take a minimum of six months to really see body recomp, assuming you’re engaging in strength training. The good news about hgh is that when you stop adding exogenously, your pituitary gland will kick back in within about a week and you’ll produce your own again.

Testosterone therapy is probably a bigger decision, as this can easily be a lifetime commitment. If you’re a male in the “Wannabe a daddy” zone, you really need to think this through. You can add hcg to preserve fertility, more drastically you could freeze a bunch of your swimmers. As with hgh, dosing is highly dependent on your mindset and your goals. If you pursue the anti-aging, moderate fitness goal as a middle aged or senior, think TRT levels (or slightly above) - no more than 175-200 mg per week. Test was traditionally done IM, but more recent recommendations are trending to SQ - more steady and slow absorption with lower chance of aromatization (raises estrogen levels).

For both of these plus reta, establishing your baselines is crucial. CMP, hormones (LH,FSH, total T, free T, estradiol) and don’t forget IGF.

Get that bloodwork done before the first shot! Then start nice and slow and retest in 8-12 weeks.

Me personally - 60-ish male, was 275, now 175 (thanks tirz!) - daily routine: 25 mg Test C SQ in the am, 2 iu hgh before bed. 10 mg tirz on Sunday, 5 mg reta on Wednesday. Retesting soon.
Thank you for the detailed response, I'm gathering, correct me if I'm wrong, that for muscle growth alone it is likely not worth it - you can see for reta for example it is well worth it for weight loss ( as I've experienced myself) but CJC ipamorelin from these responses doesn't seem to give that big benefit (unless I'm wrong)
 
Blunt answer is that there is no real "peptide for muscle growth". Those mentioned above can all help to some extent, but diet, sleep and exercise are going to have a significantly bigger impact on results than any peptide. Get those dialled in first.
 
Muscle growth comes from excess of fuel (food). To grow you will need to eat significantly more calories to fuel the muscle growth.

Now if you are on Reta, which will stun your appetite , you are not going to be able to eat the required calories needed.

If you want to grow muscle you should probably not use Reta during the growth faze of your cycle.
 
Just sprinkle some daily oxandrolone (anavar) in and all your problems will be solved 👌
 
sfkid said:
Muscle growth comes from excess of fuel (food). To grow you will need to eat significantly more calories to fuel the muscle growth.

Now if you are on Reta, which will stun your appetite , you are not going to be able to eat the required calories needed.

If you want to grow muscle you should probably not use Reta during the growth faze of your cycle.
A big calorie surplus makes it easy to gain muscles, yes. But you can still gain on a calorie deficit. It's harder, but still very much possible. Especially on a lower dose of Reta.
 
latviantower said:
Yep, you got it - the Holy Trinity: reta, hgh and test. If you can’t commit to hgh, you can throw money at secretagogues - ipa, tesa, etc.
Throw money away*
 
dazedconfused_ said:
A big calorie surplus makes it easy to gain muscles, yes. But you can still gain on a calorie deficit. It's harder, but still very much possible. Especially on a lower dose of Reta.
Bro i thought this was common knowledge.. increased calorie consumption doesn’t affect hypertrophy
 
It actually does. I remember a weightlifting friend who was super pissed off I could bench press as much as he could despite me being quite overweight and doing no exercise. Overweight and obese people do generally carry higher than average muscle mass on both lower body, needed to carry the extra weight but also on upper body. Not suggesting getting obese as a strategy for building muscle, but the effect is real.
 
Someone suggested in another forum to add one therapy at a time for 4-6 weeks to detail the effects before adding another therapy. Keep a detailed log of when, dose you take of each. Daily - note blood pressure, heart rate, energy levels, gains, symptoms, and overall feeling until you get dialed in. Follow up with bloodwork every 12 weeks and consult with a doctor to make sure you are not missing anything.

Keep us updated on what you do and how your therapies work for you.
 
2boxers said:
How is this throwing money away? You will littlery build muscle using these if you're working out
What the poster is asserting is that you can spend big money on hgh secretagogues that may have little, if any, effect OR you can spend a lot less and just take hgh.

I’ve tried a few. Didn’t care for ipa, love tesa and literally threw money away on igf1-lr3. Now on low dose hgh and sleep great and a couple of months in starting to see the overall benefits. And a 36 iu kit lasts six months - $125 well spent.
 
latviantower said:
What the poster is asserting is that you can spend big money on hgh secretagogues that may have little, if any, effect OR you can spend a lot less and just take hgh.

I’ve tried a few. Didn’t care for ipa, love tesa and literally threw money away on igf1-lr3. Now on low dose hgh and sleep great and a couple of months in starting to see the overall benefits. And a 36 iu kit lasts six months - $125 well spent.
Sleep - curious to when you take your HGH dose and what is your dose? I read both morning and before bed. And don’t take fasted or not. Conflicting info on the net so I would be interested in your experience based on your sleep being great. Thank you.
 
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