GLP-1s 'cheating' OR a TOOL

[AndyPanda]

I’m cynical AF so my take may seem insensitive… I say it’s cheating if it’s all you do. If you just take GLPs and don’t do anything but starve yourself to lose weight, you will gain every pound back and probably more. The only person you are cheating is yourself though.

If you take GLPs and make better decisions, exercise once you can safely do so, and put in real work it’s a great tool. People say steroids are cheating, but the people who use them work their asses off in the gym to get gains. They don’t get muscles from just injecting themselves.

So many human beings are nosey, egocentric, self righteous, judgmental, and often jealous. Do what makes you feel good and don’t tell anyone you are even taking the meds. Don’t give them the opportunity to judge and remember that EVERYONE has their own problems and insecurities, some people are just better at hiding it.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

You’re a lazy piece of shit if you’re fat. If you use glp meds to be healthier you’re a cheater. Fuckem who cares what anyone thinks. You can’t win anyway

 

[MsGizmo]

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You’re a lazy piece of shit if you’re fat. If you use glp meds to be healthier you’re a cheater. Fuckem who cares what anyone thinks. You can’t win anyway

Just the other day I watched a video of a woman discussing the grey market and how she didn't trust it so she was getting her tirz from a compounding med clinic. She said something about the grey market being untested products and I wanted to correct her on that little bit. When I ventured into her comment section .. of course there was some dude talking shit about her "abusing her body." I was like damn dude, here she is doing her best and documenting it for the world to see and paying out the wazoo to buy medicine. What do you want from her? There is no magic wand that will make her instantly skinny.

If we eat anything at all we are insulted. If we exercise we aren't doing enough. If we take medicine we are cheating. We can't win ... so fuck em all.

 

[ostrichsak]

A very wise person once told me: "Fuck 'em"

Albeit a bit crass but it encompasses all you need to know as it applies to what others think. You don't need to change their mindset because you don't care about it to begin with. People will always form their on ideas on stuff. The dumber they are the crazier these ideas are likely to be. Don't burn brain cells trying to make sense of idiocy.

It's tricky but f you can TRULY embrace that "Fuck 'em" mindset, life becomes tranquil & opens up a wonderful world of possibilities that otherwise wouldn't have existed.

 

[byefatlicia]

One thing I love about this space is, we are all here for self improvement. Sure, we can disagree over methods and approaches. But, something or someone led us to here. We can all agree we've found real life change. And this is a place where we can be understood and celebrate the victories with each other.

My constant desire to talk about all this outside of here has diminished. Let them ask me... when they see it... I AM THE PROOF! and a picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

One thing I love about this space is, we are all here for self improvement. Sure, we can disagree over methods and approaches. But, something or someone led us to here. We can all agree we've found real life change. And this is a place where we can be understood and celebrate the victories with each other.

My constant desire to talk about all this outside of here has diminished. Let them ask me... when they see it... I AM THE PROOF! and a picture is worth a thousand words.

The meat heads are creeping in some other forums and it’s exhausting. “I am on 2mg of tirz and struggle to eat the 3000 calories a day I need!!!!!111” fuck all the way off. take that shit to whatever bro forum you came from

 

[professorpeppy]

I’m cynical AF so my take may seem insensitive… I say it’s cheating if it’s all you do. If you just take GLPs and don’t do anything but starve yourself to lose weight, you will gain every pound back and probably more. The only person you are cheating is yourself though.

If you take GLPs and make better decisions, exercise once you can safely do so, and put in real work it’s a great tool. People say steroids are cheating, but the people who use them work their asses off in the gym to get gains. They don’t get muscles from just injecting themselves.

So many human beings are nosey, egocentric, self righteous, judgmental, and often jealous. Do what makes you feel good and don’t tell anyone you are even taking the meds. Don’t give them the opportunity to judge and remember that EVERYONE has their own problems and insecurities, some people are just better at hiding it.

Interesting point.. I get where you care coming from. Agree with cheating yourself, I had made that mistake the first time I took Tirz.. no work all happy the peps were working for me, came off, piled the weight back on. Totally changed my mindset though, so it was a good learning curve. Now I am putting in the work, using GLPs as a tool.

 

[Anon7482 18736]

No, it is not cheating. In principle, you are more than capable of reaching any goal weight naturally. These aren't steroids.

Even then, if "life isn't fair" then it pays to cheat.

 

[Anon7482 18736]

I may be the wrong person to ask because I'm not a fan of demonizing supposed PEDs in professional sports either

Now that's just ridiculous. Of course PEDs should be "demonized" in sports, that literally IS cheating. The whole point of a competition is that everybody plays fair, am I gonna get a handicap because I'm playing against somebody taking a gram of test? No, right? Then keep it out of regular sports, and make a different league for PED users.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

I don’t understand what people expect. If you need the glps to get to a healthy weight, stop the glp, and gain weight all you’re proving is that you need to be on the glp. Why would you stop it

 

[soverign_physacist]

GLP1s arent "cheating" they are a tool like a cast for a broken bone, or an SSRI for anxiety. They are instrumentally rational: Weight loss is one of the most profound health interventions, we should aggressivley encourage it.

Here's the cynics take: They are outsourcing willpower. Even if true we should still use GLP1s. Modern neuroscience: willpower = finite. PFC glucose and neural excitation limits set a cap per day. Let's save it for our career, family and not spend it battling snacks.

The deeper truth is clinicals show brain rewiring not some transient fullness. GLP1s hit VTA and decrease dopamine bursts for rewards, this extends beyond food to alcohol, nicotine, other drugs. Early studies show this change persists at least months after GLP1s stopped showing long term plasticity not simple suppression.

Finally, the step trials show very promising weight loss retention (>50% at 24 months). This doesn't fit for a short term cheat.

Losing weight is one of the best ways to avoid chronic disease. If you had a pill to protect your vision everyone would take it, so why not this?

 

[Anon7482 18736]

I’m cynical AF so my take may seem insensitive… I say it’s cheating if it’s all you do. If you just take GLPs and don’t do anything but starve yourself to lose weight, you will gain every pound back and probably more. The only person you are cheating is yourself though.

Yeah, that's why I just eat whatever I want and up the dose instead lol

But really, I disagree. I've been at or around my current weight for the past five years, I can maintain weight but I just can't put down the fork long enough to lose it for good. I seriously doubt I'll jump back up and gain more than my current weight with zero lifestyle changes, but even then you can just run another cycle. "Cheating yourself" come on lmao

 

[AndyPanda]

Now that's just ridiculous. Of course PEDs should be "demonized" in sports, that literally IS cheating. The whole point of a competition is that everybody plays fair, am I gonna get a handicap because I'm playing against somebody taking a gram of test? No, right? Then keep it out of regular sports, and make a different league for PED users.

You can take GLPs, sit on your ass and lose weight. You can take all the PEDs you want and if you don’t put in work, you won’t see gains. Additionally, GLPs are on WADAs monitoring list so they are just as bad if people want to truly be righteous. Athletes in combat sports could be using GLPs to cut weight which puts people in positions of advantage if they are cutting to fight at a lower weight.

 

[frankpeptid]

Cheating ?

Who am I competing against?

 

[Thistley]

Is it cheating?

I think we need to ask who is saying this. Blaming and shaming the overweight works so well….. oh wait no it doesn’t.

I’ll take it to an extent- from the people who have lost the weight and kept it off. But they are few. Like militant ex smokers everyone knows to do that you need to also manage your diet and exercise long term…. So ain’t we just a brother from another mother or a sister from another mister.

I’ll bet it’s most often someone with absolutely zero understanding of weight related issues and mental health elements of that …. and very little compassion either. I doubt they are commenting on celebrities with 5lbs to lose before the red carpet/ holidays in the Bahamas.

I didn’t understand how normal people physically felt about food satiety, slowing down before GLP1s. That’s not cheating it’s restoring a level of normal brain and body function to a disordered system. That’s medicine.

If you are the kind of person who needs to feed on negativity and crushing superiority to feel better about your own insecurities by trolling others with visible differences online. Take a good hard look in the mirror about who the problem actually is. Pssssst It’s you and people like you Betty

Same as the ghouls who take pics of people seriously injured in a car accident they pass by and while emergency services are assisting the injured, dying and dead these fools posting that on their social media feeds. Just for content, the worst moment of someone’s life, for something to shout into the void that gets them attention.

It’s the weekend cocaine sniffers that crack me up…. But “you don’t know what you are putting into your body” they say. You literally sniffed a line of unknown white powder you know to be addictive that some unknown dude gave you last week at a party.

In which case, they can go back to thinking the earth is flat or other people’s silly nonsense. Up next they solving world peace and oh …have you ever thought about “ just not having a war” or ?

 

[deleted.user.18]

Cheating on my refrigerator… it’s JealousAF!

 

[PAPoots]

Is using coffee to wake up cheating because you stayed up late binging Netflix instead of going to bed on time. Or taking Tylenol for a hangover because you feel too much. I driving a car to work instead of a bike cheating. These are tools for a better quality of your life.

 

[Anon7482 18736]

You can take GLPs, sit on your ass and lose weight. You can take all the PEDs you want and if you don’t put in work, you won’t see gains. Additionally, GLPs are on WADAs monitoring list so they are just as bad if people want to truly be righteous. Athletes in combat sports could be using GLPs to cut weight which puts people in positions of advantage if they are cutting to fight at a lower weight.

LMAO. Regulations are in place to prevent cutting weight in an unhealthy way, cutting weight is not against the rules in combat sports. Also, GLPs are in monitoring while PEDs are prohibited by WADA so they're definitely not "just as bad", but if WADA did actually find good reasons for it for it to be prohibited then it should be. Luckily I'm not using GLPs to compete, I'm using it to lose weight. Not cheating lmao

Also also you can sit on your ass and lose weight without GLPs too (in principle) but you can't push past biological limits without gear so I don't really get what you're trying to say here...

 

[AndyPanda]

LMAO. Regulations are in place to prevent cutting weight in an unhealthy way, cutting weight is not against the rules in combat sports. Also, GLPs are in monitoring while PEDs are prohibited by WADA so they're definitely not "just as bad", but if WADA did actually find good reasons for it for it to be prohibited then it should be. Luckily I'm not using GLPs to compete, I'm using it to lose weight. Not cheating lmao

Also also you can sit on your ass and lose weight without GLPs too (in principle) but you can't push past biological limits without gear so I don't really get what you're trying to say here...

Also also? What I’m saying is GLPs are as much a drug as AAS. Like it or not, you are in the same exact market as the people buying UGL Anavar, Trenbolone, Testosterone or PEDs. Tell yourself whatever you need to feel better, but you are not as well informed as you think you are about sports or drugs.

 

[Anon7482 18736]

Also also? What I’m saying is GLPs are as much a drug as AAS. Like it or not, you are in the same exact market as the people buying UGL Anavar, Trenbolone, Testosterone or PEDs. Tell yourself whatever you need to feel better, but you are not as well informed as you think you are about sports or drugs.

Oh, GLPs are drugs, I didn't know that. That's my bad. I guess I should feel bad for taking dutasteride too, since AAS users take that and it's available on the grey market as well... Not.

Feel free to inform me on why apples and oranges are the same thing and people should be allowed to abuse PEDs in sports in another thread, though.