GHKCU for surgery repair?

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I have read that GHKcu is really good for repair after surgeries

Collagen and elastin production (strengthens the new stomach wrap and hiatal closure)

Angiogenesis (better blood flow to the healing tissues)

Reduced inflammation and oxidative stress (helps calm post-surgical swelling and bloating)

Tissue remodeling (helps the repair heal with better quality and potentially less scar tissue)

In my case I just got done this Tuesday the Nissen Fundopllication due to very bad acid reflux the past three years, in my surgery the surgeon highlighted that I had very little visceral fat compared to other patients which I think it was bc I have been on HGH the past 2 months.

Do any of you have any insights with this peptides being used after surgery.
 
ElLeón said:
I have read that GHKcu is really good for repair after surgeries

Collagen and elastin production (strengthens the new stomach wrap and hiatal closure)

Angiogenesis (better blood flow to the healing tissues)

Reduced inflammation and oxidative stress (helps calm post-surgical swelling and bloating)

Tissue remodeling (helps the repair heal with better quality and potentially less scar tissue)

In my case I just got done this Tuesday the Nissen Fundopllication due to very bad acid reflux the past three years, in my surgery the surgeon highlighted that I had very little visceral fat compared to other patients which I think it was bc I have been on HGH the past 2 months.

Do any of you have any insights with this peptides being used after surgery.
Glow I think would be more beneficial
 
I used KLOW for 8 weeks after surgery broken femur and road rash to calf. Dr was impressed with my recovery that I didn’t require a skin graft like he originally thought I would. I was 43/m at time of surgery but can say I’ve made more of a recovery than was medically expected at my age. I also was in good shape when accident happened so that didn’t hurt but muscle vanished quickly and hasn’t fully came back.

Goodluck on a fast recovery.
 
I'm just hit 30 days of KLOW and an extra 1mg of BPC-157 & TB-500 daily (I'm dropping the extra B & T tomorrow) for a shoulder surgery, Rotator cuff, Bicep tenodesis & Labrum repair. They said I'm 2 weeks ahead of where they thought I would be and hopefully could start strength training at 6 weeks, where it can be 8-12 usually. I'm male, in my mid 50's..
 
ElLeón said:
I have read that GHKcu is really good for repair after surgeries

Collagen and elastin production (strengthens the new stomach wrap and hiatal closure)

Angiogenesis (better blood flow to the healing tissues)

Reduced inflammation and oxidative stress (helps calm post-surgical swelling and bloating)

Tissue remodeling (helps the repair heal with better quality and potentially less scar tissue)

In my case I just got done this Tuesday the Nissen Fundopllication due to very bad acid reflux the past three years, in my surgery the surgeon highlighted that I had very little visceral fat compared to other patients which I think it was bc I have been on HGH the past 2 months.

Do any of you have any insights with this peptides being used after surgery.
Hey friend, just HGH? I ask because of the visceral fat issue, since Retatrutide was the one that had the biggest effect on my visceral fat.
 
ElLeón said:
I have read that GHKcu is really good for repair after surgeries

Collagen and elastin production (strengthens the new stomach wrap and hiatal closure)

Angiogenesis (better blood flow to the healing tissues)

Reduced inflammation and oxidative stress (helps calm post-surgical swelling and bloating)

Tissue remodeling (helps the repair heal with better quality and potentially less scar tissue)

In my case I just got done this Tuesday the Nissen Fundopllication due to very bad acid reflux the past three years, in my surgery the surgeon highlighted that I had very little visceral fat compared to other patients which I think it was bc I have been on HGH the past 2 months.

Do any of you have any insights with this peptides being used after surgery.
I'll suggest get klow. It has benefits but after a surgery I would rather amp up on bpc and tb500.

Certain compounds are needed in more quantity.
 
Despite everyone online saying GLOW and KLOW and the various peptides in them improve healing , there is no human or even animal studies of these peptide mixtures, and no human evidence for any of the individual peptides that they improve healing, if they have been tested in humans at all. Placebo effects and regression towards the mean are enough to explain peoples' experiences of them working. It may be that they do actually work but there is no evidence to support it. ( that is not anecdotal ) And given the varied and complex biological effects of those peptides there is never likely to be trials of KLOW or GLOW , as it would be considered way too dangerous and unpredictable to even consider human tests without a very large amount of research in animals first, and no one has done any studies in animals of these blends, as it is not thought to be a viable or worthwhile drug development target. ( if scientists really believed it worked as well as people online think it does, they would be testing it , it could be a goldmine )

HGH on the other hand probably does improve healing, but it is worth noting that no surgeons ever prescribe it to patients to use to improve healing after surgery. Presumably something to do with the risk to benefits of it.
 
I ran glow after a second session of a tattoo and healed stupid fast vs the first session. Anecdotal at best but it’s my experience
 
Kirbyzx6 said:
I also was in good shape when accident happened so that didn’t hurt but muscle vanished quickly and hasn’t fully came back.
That's a big reason for resistance training, the surplus of lean mass can be critical for recovery after surgery or other health issues that can make you immobile. I lost 10kg in a few months and I hardly had much fat, so it was mainly muscle loss. I never had more than 83kg in my life, so loosing 10kg is A LOT.
 
I have a Cartalax kit enroute and will try a round of it with limited expectations. I can keep you posted.

Cartalax peptide supports cartilage regeneration, joint mobility, connective tissue repair, and may help reduce inflammation and cellular aging.
 
Omxxl said:
Hey friend, just HGH? I ask because of the visceral fat issue, since Retatrutide was the one that had the biggest effect on my visceral fat.
also 200 mg of Test weekly and 2 mg of Reta, probably alltogether compounded
 
lessthanhalf said:
Despite everyone online saying GLOW and KLOW and the various peptides in them improve healing , there is no human or even animal studies of these peptide mixtures, and no human evidence for any of the individual peptides that they improve healing, if they have been tested in humans at all. Placebo effects and regression towards the mean are enough to explain peoples' experiences of them working. It may be that they do actually work but there is no evidence to support it. ( that is not anecdotal ) And given the varied and complex biological effects of those peptides there is never likely to be trials of KLOW or GLOW , as it would be considered way too dangerous and unpredictable to even consider human tests without a very large amount of research in animals first, and no one has done any studies in animals of these blends, as it is not thought to be a viable or worthwhile drug development target. ( if scientists really believed it worked as well as people online think it does, they would be testing it , it could be a goldmine )

HGH on the other hand probably does improve healing, but it is worth noting that no surgeons ever prescribe it to patients to use to improve healing after surgery. Presumably something to do with the risk to benefits of it.
Yeah you are right, as I think we all are here to push a bit further the science, This is me using myself as rat lab and weighting the risks vs the possible anecdotes of the benefits.

I was not prescribed HGH, but I bought it in a pharmacy here in Mexico from Pfizer as I think its really easy to get scammed with this compound, its expensive but overall worth it.

I will be commenting on my experience and my discussions with my drs, that while they don't encourage the use of these compounds they understand the science and are really helpful.

I am feeling already a lot better than my dad when he had the same surgery years ago, I am really surprised so far with only the test and HGH.
 
Kirbyzx6 said:
I have a Cartalax kit enroute and will try a round of it with limited expectations. I can keep you posted.

Cartalax peptide supports cartilage regeneration, joint mobility, connective tissue repair, and may help reduce inflammation and cellular aging.
I've been using Cartalax with PEG mgf and it's working better than wolverine and/or bpc!!!
 
Kirbyzx6 said:
I have a Cartalax kit enroute and will try a round of it with limited expectations. I can keep you posted.

Cartalax peptide supports cartilage regeneration, joint mobility, connective tissue repair, and may help reduce inflammation and cellular aging.
Cartalax kit? I'm not finding them in all my price lists from the land of gray.. I need to look much more closely, apparently! Thanks for re-igniting my search- I'm on the hunt.
 
RubbaDubba1 said:
I'm just hit 30 days for a shoulder surgery, Rotator cuff, Bicep tenodesis & Labrum repair. They said I'm 2 weeks ahead of where they thought I would be and hopefully could start strength training at 6 weeks, where it can be 8-12 usually. I'm male, in my mid 50's..
I am 9 weeks out today for that plus repair to the teres/lat/trap insertion points, and I've been eyeing this as well. My other one needs a repair too but maybe if I add this in I can buy more time....

Though I was more interested in it for the skincare and whatnot benefits than the healing. I JUST started PT like a week ago (on purpose due to the extent of the repair.)
 
LabRatts said:
Cartalax kit? I'm not finding them in all my price lists from the land of gray.. I need to look much more closely, apparently! Thanks for re-igniting my search- I'm on

LabRatts said:
Cartalax kit? I'm not finding them in all my price lists from the land of gray.. I need to look much more closely, apparently! Thanks for re-igniting my search- I'm on the hunt.
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domin8brix said:
I am 9 weeks out today for that plus repair to the teres/lat/trap insertion points, and I've been eyeing this as well. My other one needs a repair too but maybe if I add this in I can buy more time....

Though I was more interested in it for the skincare and whatnot benefits than the healing. I JUST started PT like a week ago (on purpose due to the extent of the repair.)
I knew I'd find a kindred spirit at some point. I had 3 minor tears in my Rotator cuff, but I think you got me beat. I had to wait 10 days before PT eval, I can't imagine 8 weeks woo. I know my surgeon was really worried about protecting the bicep, as the biggest worry. My PT guy says my Range of motion is really good and 3 weeks ahead of where he thought I would be. My almost 6 week follow-up x-ray is tomorrow. My PT guy thought I could start strength training the Rotator cuff now and maybe bicep, if the Surgeon approves. They said up to 12 weeks of PT, glad I'm off work for 12 weeks.

I have to get my left shoulder repaired as well, it's in worse shape than the right one. But we felt it being my dominant arm and the bicep anchor was way worse on this arm, we should do right one 1st. I definitely feel I'm starting to get dividends from the peps, taking lots of Collagen too. How long did they say for total time back to normal? Happy healing 😉
 
RubbaDubba1 said:
I knew I'd find a kindred spirit at some point. I had 3 minor tears in my Rotator cuff, but I think you got me beat. I had to wait 10 days before PT eval, I can't imagine 8 weeks woo. I know my surgeon was really worried about protecting the bicep, as the biggest worry. My PT guy says my Range of motion is really good and 3 weeks ahead of where he thought I would be. My almost 6 week follow-up x-ray is tomorrow. My PT guy thought I could start strength training the Rotator cuff now and maybe bicep, if the Surgeon approves. They said up to 12 weeks of PT, glad I'm off work for 12 weeks.

I have to get my left shoulder repaired as well, it's in worse shape than the right one. But we felt it being my dominant arm and the bicep anchor was way worse on this arm, we should do right one 1st. I definitely feel I'm starting to get dividends from the peps, taking lots of Collagen too. How long did they say for total time back to normal? Happy healing 😉
You did find a kindred spirit! And happy healing to you as well!!! I am fighting with myself over just doing the GHK or doing a GLOW/KLOW stack instead. If it does any good to help me heal, on top of the skin benefits, it might be worth it.

So, he tells me 6 months to full recovery. Since this wasn't a standard repair, I was in the sling for the full 8 weeks which I knew about in advance, and the PT is restricted to ONLY range of motion front to back til at least 12 weeks out. I see him again in like 3 weeks (May 12th I think?), and then he will determine if it's healed enough internally to do more with that arm. His protocol for me right now allows NO strengthening on that arm or shoulder at all, heaviest I am supposed to hold in that hand is a bottle of water or can of soda, or my phone but my phone feels like a gazillion pounds in that hand so that's usually limited. The surgeon had to call the PT place the other day and tell them not to do half of what the keep telling me to do, because they want to follow their usual shoulder protocol and this isn't the usual repair. Moving back is going ok, moving forward is HILARIOUSLY bad. It is SO tight with all those anchor points. I am generally quite compliant with these things, but I am not going to do an exercise I was explicitly told not to do.

I have to keep my arm tucked to my body most of the time, and wear the sling in crowded situations or at the gym. I went there for the first time yesterday and that was interesting. I'd been doing some amended lower body stuff at home, just to do SOMETHING along the way, and while I was delighted I could get closer to my usual loads on most of the leg machines, on others I just didn't try or had to do some creative adjustment with positioning. When I confirmed I was able to do the hip thrust with one hand I almost cried, I know the hack squat is months away, as are barbell squats, but that one I was really missing. I only loaded about 1/3 of my usual weight though bec I didn't want to push it on my first time in like 9 weeks. Cardio I was allowed pretty much from the second day, though no bouncing or heavy sweating til the nerve block was out of my neck and the staples and stitches came out. I was allowed to jog as tolerated, walk, stepper, etc, as long as there's no pain and I can control the jostling, which I can if I make sure the arm is tucked in. I do swing when I walk a little more now, but not like I was before. The range forward is sooo bad.

My left thankfully is my less damaged, my right was reeeally bad and way overdue. I fully tore the rotator like 25 years ago, and at the time, that surgeon was like, you're young and it will likely regenerate itself in time if you do your pt exercises, but the worse tears were from catching myself on the bannisters when I slipped on the carpeted steps. Once I really got into lifting, it was driving me nuts. The last year or so I just had no function to the side. He was actually shocked I didn't detach the muscles entirely at the gym the morning before surgery because the bicep was barely hanging by a thread. I was really stupid doing that presurgery last ditch murder all the muscles thing because 1) that could've happened and that would've been like a 9 month recovery, and 2) I could barely get on the dang gurney my legs and core were so sore. 🫣 🤣
 
Bro you are a beast, I'm just trying to get outta bed and get my socks on straight. I've been pushing doing more at home, I'm fairly happy where I'm at and my PT guy is too. My main concern is getting back to work functionally, so I can do my job. I had an MRI on my neck and back, when I was 2 weeks out from surgery (I do not recommend) So if I get the ok today from Surgeon, to lay flat on my stomach. I need to get an Ablation on my lower back and some Cortisone shots for my neck. I need surgery on the left elbow and wrist, I had asked about doing those with the left shoulder and it was a no go. I've had 2 surgeries with this left foot, my Achilees and Tibial tendon are giving me fits now and might need a 3rd. I hate the shitty sling they give you from surgery, bought a new one that works better to lock it down. I got the lawn mowed a couple times, glad I got electric self propelled. Still scraped it 5X as it was a foot tall in some ares. I paid a buddy from work, to walk my Husky for a month, but I refuse to hire a lawn service. Priorities right!

I don't think there is a loser in the bunch, wolverine, glow or klow. Just more money, go for the gold with Klow and there is a skin benefit to it. I'm thinking about staying on the higher dose of BPC & TB4 for a while, after doing more research. I know I gotta stop the TB4 at 12 weeks, but will stay on BPC for a while. I've been using CJC/IPA blend, for 5 weeks got 1 week left and gonna switch to Tesa/IPA. That might be worth pursuing on your part.
 
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