First Reta Phase III Results

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https://dom-pubs.pericles-prod.literatumonline.com/doi/10.1111/dom.70209

A link For those that want to delve into the open access published journal study.

“Retatrutide for the treatment of obesity, obstructive sleep apnea and knee osteoarthritis: Rationale and design of the TRIUMPH registrational clinical trials”

Hadn’t read much about basket trial study design before so that was interesting. Lots of very interesting bits in here.
 
Regarding side effects, the jump in dysesthesia going from 9mg to 12mg is dramatic: 8.8% and 20.9%respectively.

The others (vomiting, nausea, ect...) don't seem too different than sema and triz.

The weight loss results are amazing, plus it helps with osteoarthritis? Exciting times. Now I need to put in another order to add to my horde like a peptide dragon.
 
bogardbilla said:
I am fairly certain this was more of a psychological and sociological effect rather than medical one. I.e. I believe this was the result of patients and their families being shocked to see someone who was obese their whole life suddenly slim down, and so they panicked as a result even though the patients could have continued taking the drug with some weight left to lose.
I believe I am seeing something similar with my mother-in-law. She's morbidly obese and has been most of her adult life. Her doctor recommended tirz, but she won't take it. She complains about all her comorbidities, like sleep apnea, joint pain, difficulty walking, and diabetes, but doesn't seem to want to admit that weight loss would help all that. I've tried to talk her into it, but weight is a sensitive subject, so I have to tread lightly. It's frustrating. I want her to be healthy, but she won't even try.
 
Thistley said:
https://dom-pubs.pericles-prod.literatumonline.com/doi/10.1111/dom.70209

A link For those that want to delve into the open access published journal study.

“Retatrutide for the treatment of obesity, obstructive sleep apnea and knee osteoarthritis: Rationale and design of the TRIUMPH registrational clinical trials”

Hadn’t read much about basket trial study design before so that was interesting. Lots of very interesting bits in here.

Thanks for posting this. Just started reading and it really is fascinating and the concept of basket trial methodology. I was wondering how the researchers were going to disintangle the heterogeneity issue. When I read the title of the article, I was like "duh", if someone loses weight of course their going to experience less OA knee pain. Same for OSA in the tirzepatide clincial studies. If I'm understanding correctly, they used independent "baskets" of those being treated for weight management, OSA, and OA. And somehow are able to "isolate" the effects of reta on OA and OSA. Really clever and going to have to read it when I can really focus. Thanks again!
 
I just received my first Reta kit - I've been on the fence about switching from Tirz to Reta since my Tirz isn't really Tirzing for me anymore (9 weeks at 12.5mg and I keep gaining and losing the same 7 pounds and the sides are getting brutal).

This helped solidify that decision and I'll be interested to get underway with Reta soon.
 
cheaperseeker said:
I believe I am seeing something similar with my mother-in-law. She's morbidly obese and has been most of her adult life. Her doctor recommended tirz, but she won't take it. She complains about all her comorbidities, like sleep apnea, joint pain, difficulty walking, and diabetes, but doesn't seem to want to admit that weight loss would help all that. I've tried to talk her into it, but weight is a sensitive subject, so I have to tread lightly. It's frustrating. I want her to be healthy, but she won't even try.
What about the pron pill so she doesn't have to do injections? 🤔
 
keangkong said:
There will be less need for weight loss surgery. Some folks will likely still require retatrutide to lose weight before the surgery and will have to resume taking reta at some point after the surgery.

It's good that weight loss surgery will be less necessary. I have read about and watched televisions about folks who have undergone weight loss surgery. Despite there being some side effects from GLP-1 and GLP-1+ medications, their side effects are usually nowhere close to being as severe as those from weight loss surgery.
Sure thing, I have a lot of paitents who had weight loss surgery, mostly gastric bypass, loads of pain and side effects etc. It's not reversible. I do also have a lot who are happy.

GB it's amazing for curing diabetes and reversing metabolic dysfunction, but I would prefer reta or similar.
 
IshimaruKenta said:
What about the pron pill so she doesn't have to do injections? 🤔
I thought about that, too. I'm not sure how open she would be to starting her GLP-1 journey with gray, though, and she already does injections with her current diabetes medication.
 
These studies and reports were what I had been waiting on. I’m in maintenance having reached goal on Tirz, and I have a freezer full to last me until retirement, so I don’t plan on purchasing any Reta.

But if I were starting out now, or still had a lot of weight to lose, I’d definitely be a Retastan.
 
bogardbilla said:
I am fairly certain this was more of a psychological and sociological effect rather than medical one. I.e. I believe this was the result of patients and their families being shocked to see someone who was obese their whole life suddenly slim down, and so they panicked as a result even though the patients could have continued taking the drug with some weight left to lose.

Perhaps However, they were medically supervised and got to hear the advice from medical professionals. It looks like we'll have to wait for the study results to be published before we'll know.
 
The reta weight loss results were about what I would have expected from the phase 2 trials. Yes, the weight loss was greater but the study lasted longer. The side effects similarly seemed to be about the same as in the phase 2 trials. Still this is very good news. The phase 2 results were excellent. I'm glad that the phase 3 results, which involve a longer study with more people, were similarly impressive.
 
Not_Your_Dad said:
I just received my first Reta kit - I've been on the fence about switching from Tirz to Reta since my Tirz isn't really Tirzing for me anymore (9 weeks at 12.5mg and I keep gaining and losing the same 7 pounds and the sides are getting brutal).

This helped solidify that decision and I'll be interested to get underway with Reta soon.
Just curious why you didn't opt to up to the clinical dose of 15 with the tirz before switching? Was just due to the sides you were getting at 12.5? I mainly ask because I recently went up to 14-14.5 (depends on what I actually pull that pin day) and have definitely had more sides. I had the usual when I started with sema 2.5 years ago, but when I moved to tirz last Dec, I had almost no sides at all. It's been amazingly smooth this whole time until I went up from 12.5 just before Thanksgiving. I'm debating going back down to 12.5-13 my next pin, to see if the effects go away, but then I'm left not feeling like my beloved tirz is tirzing, either.
 
Major Weight Loss and Knee-Pain Relief Seen With New Eli Lilly Drug

The maker of Zepbound reported results from a study of retatrutide, which targets three hormones in the body and led to much more weight loss than any approved drug.

www.nytimes.com

By Gina Kolata

Gina Kolata has been reporting on obesity and attempts to treat it for 30 years.

Dec. 11, 2025 Updated 10:24 a.m. ET

People with obesity and arthritis taking an experimental obesity drug made by Eli Lilly lost more weight than

with any drug now on the market, and they reported relief from their arthritis symptoms, the company

announced on Thursday.

The drug, retatrutide, is a next-generation obesity and diabetes medication from Eli Lilly, which already sells

Mounjaro for diabetes and Zepbound for weight loss. These drugs catapulted Lilly in November into becoming the

first medical company to hit a trillion-dollar valuation.

The clinical trial that found the result lasted 68 weeks and included 445 people with both obesity and knee

arthritis. They were randomly assigned to inject one of two doses of retatrutide — nine milligrams or 12

milligrams, once a week, or a placebo.

Participants taking the 12-milligram dose of retatrutide lost an average of 28.7 percent of their body weight, or 71.2

pounds. That is more than the average achieved with Zepbound, which results in a 21 percent average weight loss.

It was also more weight loss than is typical with Novo Nordisk’s Wegovy, which averages 15 percent.

Eli Lilly added that 23.7 percent of participants taking the 12-milligram dose lost at least 35 percent of their initial

weight.

Participants reported their knee pain on a standard scale, the WOMAC, that goes from 0 to 10, with 10 being

worst. Those taking the highest dose of retatrutide reported a pain reduction of 4.4 points, a 74.3 percent reduction

in pain, while those taking the placebo reported a reduction of 2.4 points, a 40.3 percent reduction.

WOMAC physical function scores, which measure pain, stiffness and difficulty moving, fell by 4.2 points, a 73.7

percent reduction, in those taking 12 milligrams of retatrutide. Those taking the placebo reported a reduction of 2.1

points, a 35.6 percent reduction.

An Eli Lilly spokeswoman said the study was not designed to answer the question of whether the relief from the

pain and from the symptoms of arthritis were more than would have been expected with the weight loss alone.

The most common side effects were like those seen with Zepbound and Wegovy — nausea, diarrhea, constipation

and vomiting, which wane over time.

Major Weight Loss and Knee-Pain Relief Seen With New Eli

Lilly Drug

Major Weight Loss and Knee-Pain Relief Seen With New Eli Lilly Drug

The maker of Zepbound reported results from a study of retatrutide, which targets three hormones in the body and led to much more weight loss than any approved drug.

www.nytimes.com

12/11/25, 7:52 AM New Eli Lilly Drug Retatrutide Brought Major Weight Loss in Trial - The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/11/health/eli-lilly-retatrutide-weight-loss-drug.html 1/2

Another side effect was dysesthesia, a painful sensation when the skin is touched. Twenty percent of those taking

the highest dose and 8.8 percent of those with the lower dose experienced it. But Eli Lilly said the events were

“mostly mild and rarely led to discontinuation” of the treatment.

In all, among those taking the highest dose, 12.1 percent stopped taking the drug because of adverse events —

including “perceived excessive weight loss,

” the company said. For those taking the placebo, 4.8 percent dropped

out of the study because of adverse events.

Retatrutide is sort of a souped-up GLP-1, a class of drugs that has revolutionized the treatment of diabetes,

obesity and other conditions.

The Lilly drug affects levels of three hormones involved with regulating appetite, energy balance and metabolism.

They are GLP-1, which is the hormone affected by Wegovy and Zepbound; GIP , affected by Lilly’s Zepbound; and

glucagon, a hormone that neither Wegovy nor Zepbound targets. Glucagon is released by the pancreas and raises

blood sugar levels. It is not clear to researchers why targeting these three hormones had a greater effect than the

earlier medications that affect just one or two.

Eli Lilly’s announcement of the arthritis study was a summary of its results, which is required of companies when

they have new data that can affect their stock price.

The company said full results would be reported at a medical meeting and published at a later date in a peer-

reviewed journal.

The company will not set a price for retatrutide until it receives Food and Drug Administration approval to

market the drug. An Eli Lilly spokeswoman said it will file for approval following the completion of seven

additional studies of the drug in people with obesity and diabetes. It expects them to be completed next year .

A correction was made on Dec. 11, 2025: An earlier version of this article misstated which Eli Lilly clinical trials will

include a maintenance dose of a weight loss drug. It will be included in trials that are ongoing, not in a completed

trial with patients who also had knee arthritis.

When we learn of a mistake, we acknowledge it with a correction. If you spot an error, please let us know at [email protected]. Learn more

Gina Kolata reports on diseases and treatments, how treatments are discovered and tested, and how they affect people.
 
bogardbilla said:
One interesting tidbit about how these studies work in the background, from the patient's point of view, is this comment I found on Reddit from a guy who participated in the study and then decided to silently start skipping doses because he felt he lost too much weight:

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/RetatrutideTrial/comments/1pk86cs/comment/ntkkdgo/
I read the link and this actually bothers me from a research perspective. I feel that better controls need to be in place to make sure that the participants are taking the meds because if one admitted to this then many more probably did the same. Perhaps blood should be drawn and tested to verify levels of the drug in the participants. This Reddit user was being selfish by not being honest with the researchers and this skewed the results. This study had impressive results but it sounds like some individuals lost the amount of weight needed and didn’t need to stay on high dose at 68 weeks out. To me it suggests that treatment dose is not always the same as maintenance dose and this is important to be aware of.
 
keangkong said:
Here is the link: Eli Lilly (Dec. 11, 2025). Lilly's triple agonist, retatrutide, delivered weight loss of up to an average of 71.2 lbs along with substantial relief from osteoarthritis pain in first successful Phase 3 trial. PR Newswire, https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...first-successful-phase-3-trial-302638804.html .

We'll have to wait until they present their results at a medical conference or through a scholarly article before we learn additional details.

Although I'll jump on the bandwagon and praise retatrutide as being the next huge weight loss drug to enter the market, I suspect that large numbers of new weight loss drugs get approved in the next five years.
I’m so excited for these results. I’ve been sitting on a big stash in my freezer waiting for phase 3 results before I started trying it. Thanks for posting.
 
ThatNextGril said:
Just curious why you didn't opt to up to the clinical dose of 15 with the tirz before switching? Was just due to the sides you were getting at 12.5? I mainly ask because I recently went up to 14-14.5 (depends on what I actually pull that pin day) and have definitely had more sides. I had the usual when I started with sema 2.5 years ago, but when I moved to tirz last Dec, I had almost no sides at all. It's been amazingly smooth this whole time until I went up from 12.5 just before Thanksgiving. I'm debating going back down to 12.5-13 my next pin, to see if the effects go away, but then I'm left not feeling like my beloved tirz is tirzing, either.
I haven't decided whether or not to pull the trigger on the switch for sure. For me, once I went beyond 7.5mg, the sides became really difficult to deal with. Most days I struggle to eat 1000 calories. I'll have dinner around 7 or 8p, get up around 5a, drink 12 oz of water, and immediately be nauseously full for the next 3 hours. I would suffer through all of this if it yielded any results, but to watch the scale go up and down the same few pounds week after week, month after month, I just can't do it any more.

I also don't feel the appetite / food noise suppression like I used to. Up through 7.5 mg, I barely wanted to eat anything (this is coming from someone who at 5' 9" at 277# ate 5000-6000 calories a day). And that stopped almost overnight. But after I hit 7.5, that noise started creeping back in - almost feeling compelled to eat something, intentionally overeating when I knew how much I'd be suffering from it, etc.

I might give 15 mg a pin this week (due on Monday) just to see what it's like before I make any further decisions. I'm also a week in on a tesamorelin and CJC1295/Ipa cycle, so I may hold off on any GLP changes until that's complete.
 
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