Filtering

[iamiPAC]

And a list, like the one above, is more helpful when showing how relatively good vendors go bad or disappear, as in an exit scam.

Please don’t mind the New Researcher Question: What is a Filtering Kit? Why would you need to filter your peptides? Please expand my mind with wisdom. LOL..

 

[Calm Logic]

Actually, I love this question, even though it has been debated several times. Basically, it comes down to your risk tolerance. Most people don't filter. I do, as do some others here.

For one thing, most people and vendors don't test for sterility.

Many will argue that subq injections will face the body's own defenses, which is true. But, as @hexagonal once pointed out, even subclinical infections can increase the risk of arthritis down the line:

Do You Filter Your Peptides Before Use?

You are a fat clown, here to attention seek rather to provide information. Here's a study showing that about 25% of vials get contaminated on repeated access: https://journals.lww.com/jehp/fulltext/2018/07000/A_pilot_study_for_evaluation_of_knowledge_and.120.aspx Now you are calling people...

glp1forum.com

Also, the recon process itself can create particulates that would ideally be filtered out. And when things are tested for purity by Jano, they filter first, so that their machine doesn't get messed up. Vials from vendors have contained small amounts of foreign material, which can harbor bacteria.

A primary argument against filtering is that the filtering process itself can introduce bacteria from one's home. But wearing gloves and wiping things down with alcohol can go a long way. So I don't really buy that argument, especially since, emotionally, international bacteria from Shanghai seems scarier than bacteria from my home.

Having said all that, I don't think filtering is usually necessary, unless one is immunocompromised. And other aspects of recon are just as important, such as using other sterile techniques, like wearing gloves to prevent staph infection.

An example of a filtering kit:

Starter Kit

Reconstitution Solution | All In One Starter Kit | PeptideTest.com – Peptide Test Lab Supplies - Fast, accurate, and trusted.

peptidetest.com

Similar items can be purchased individually at Peptide Test, Amino Annex, AllThingsPeptides, or in a kit as well at Underground Supply (on vacay until the 1st).

 

[GLP1Pharmacist]

While test peptides are likely not made to full FDA standards in the real compounding pharmacies filtered needles are almost never used. Only practical application is when small all glass (no stopper or cap) ampules are actually broken open, the filter needle prevents risk of glass particles alone. As soon as drawn up the filter needle is discarded and new needle attached. I have zero plans to ever use a filter needle for glp1s. Plus filter needles will not filter out things which could actually cause problems like chemicals and pyrogens.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

I do filter most the time. Sometimes I won’t filter if it’s just a one off I’m trying. When I started bacteria contamination and filtering was all the rage so that’s just how I learned, I guess. Plus I’m using a pen cart and it’s literally zero extra steps anyway since I’m transferring it to the new vial I just bac flush and attach the filter.

At some point I do agree that the more you futz with your meds you’re just introducing contamination vectors but whatever

The sterility of the pen carts is a whole other matter.

I don’t wear gloves and I don’t wipe the kitchen down. I do put down a super sterile paper towel to work on though. I’m still alive.

 

[Calm Logic]

The crazy thing is that even doing recon and injections in a dirty bathroom would be safer than getting an injection from some med spas.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

The crazy thing is that even doing recon and injections in a dirty bathroom would be safer than getting an injection from some med spas .

Valid.

 

[iamiPAC]

Actually, I love this question, even though it has been debated several times. Basically, it comes down to your risk tolerance. Most people don't filter. I do, as do some others here.

For one thing, most people and vendors don't test for sterility.

Many will argue that subq injections will face the body's own defenses, which is true. But, as @hexagonal once pointed out, even subclinical infections can increase the risk of arthritis down the line:

Do You Filter Your Peptides Before Use?

You are a fat clown, here to attention seek rather to provide information. Here's a study showing that about 25% of vials get contaminated on repeated access: https://journals.lww.com/jehp/fulltext/2018/07000/A_pilot_study_for_evaluation_of_knowledge_and.120.aspx Now you are calling people...

glp1forum.com

Also, the recon process itself can create particulates that would ideally be filtered out. And when things are tested for purity by Jano, they filter first, so that their machine doesn't get messed up. Vials from vendors have contained small amounts of foreign material, which can harbor bacteria.

A primary argument against filtering is that the filtering process itself can introduce bacteria from one's home. But wearing gloves and wiping things down with alcohol can go a long way. So I don't really buy that argument, especially since, emotionally, international bacteria from Shanghai seems scarier than bacteria from my home.

Having said all that, I don't think filtering is usually necessary, unless one is immunocompromised. And other aspects of recon are just as important, such as using other sterile techniques, like wearing gloves to prevent staph infection.

An example of a filtering kit:

Starter Kit

Reconstitution Solution | All In One Starter Kit | PeptideTest.com – Peptide Test Lab Supplies - Fast, accurate, and trusted.

peptidetest.com

Similar items can be purchased individually at Peptide Test, Amino Annex, AllThingsPeptides , or in a kit as well at Underground Supply (on vacay until the 1st).

THANKS so much for that detailed explanation and truly calm logic. I love it. You really know your stuff.

There is a lot to learn and I'm excited to learn all about the in's ans out's of peptide preparation and filtering. I will have to get one of those kits when it’s back in stock. Do you filter each and every vial?

 

[iamiPAC]

While test peptides are likely not made to full FDA standards in the real compounding pharmacies filtered needles are almost never used. Only practical application is when small all glass (no stopper or cap) ampules are actually broken open, the filter needle prevents risk of glass particles alone. As soon as drawn up the filter needle is discarded and new needle attached. I have zero plans to ever use a filter needle for glp1s. Plus filter needles will not filter out things which could actually cause problems like chemicals and pyrogens.

That is a good point. I can’t believe ampules are still a thing. Thanks for your comment.

 

[iamiPAC]

I do filter most the time. Sometimes I won’t filter if it’s just a one off I’m trying. When I started bacteria contamination and filtering was all the rage so that’s just how I learned, I guess. Plus I’m using a pen cart and it’s literally zero extra steps anyway since I’m transferring it to the new vial I just bac flush and attach the filter.

At some point I do agree that the more you futz with your meds you’re just introducing contamination vectors but whatever

The sterility of the pen carts is a whole other matter.

I don’t wear gloves and I don’t wipe the kitchen down. I do put down a super sterile paper towel to work on though. I’m still alive.

THANKS for the comment. Another good point. I just added some sterile paper sheets to my Amazon cart to use next time.

 

[Calm Logic]

Do you filter each and every vial?

Yes. I am very much on the OCD spectrum though.

 

[yobculture]

I don’t wear gloves and I don’t wipe the kitchen down. I do put down a super sterile paper towel to work on though. I’m still alive.

Same!

I’m going to put “Super Sterile Paper Towel” on a t-shirt!

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

THANKS for the comment. Another good point. I just added some sterile paper sheets to my Amazon cart to use next time.

I was being sarcastic about the paper towels being sterile. I use them right off the roll. Probably cross contaminated with chicken juice

 

[iamiPAC]

Yes. I am very much on the OCD spectrum though.

I work in healthcare so I’m for sure on the spectrum. LOL.. If I can find a system and an affordable way to do this I will. I am currently researching 7 different peptides and prepare my syringes on Sundays, so…

 

[pavlovs]

I filter almost everything, including already compounded vials such as lipo-c. The only thing I don't filter is glutathione, and that is because it is a brand that supplies hospitals and is made on the up and up. I use a sterilized tray and wear gloves and a mask.

 

[yobculture]

I filter almost everything, including already compounded vials such as lipo-c. The only thing I don't filter is glutathione, and that is because it is a brand that supplies hospitals and is made on the up and up. I use a sterilized tray and wear gloves and a mask.

Do you put a filter on the vent needle? I really don’t understand why this would be necessary since most people push air into their reconstituted vials to help with extraction when pinning. I don’t put a filter on the vent needle, but I’d love to hear an explanation from a more experienced (and smarter) person on why they do use a filter on the vent needle.

 

[iamiPAC]

I filter almost everything, including already compounded vials such as lipo-c. The only thing I don't filter is glutathione, and that is because it is a brand that supplies hospitals and is made on the up and up. I use a sterilized tray and wear gloves and a mask.

What kit do you use? I wouldn't mind starting if I could get an affordable and reliable source for the kits.

 

[pavlovs]

What kit do you use? I wouldn't mind starting if I could get an affordable and reliable source for the kits.

If you mean the glutathione, I use a Korean company that sells items for use in cosmetic procedures, like Botox, etc. I use the brand Luthione, it's made by a proper pharmacy. The only three companies I have bought from are Acecosm.com, meamoshop.com and derma-solution.com/ There are a lot of others though, but I have never used them. Shipping is less than a week for all of them. It's around $95.00 for 1200mg X10 vials.

If you mean the Lipo-C, I use SNP.

 

[pavlovs]

Do you put a filter on the vent needle? I really don’t understand why this would be necessary since most people push air into their reconstituted vials to help with extraction when pinning. I don’t put a filter on the vent needle, but I’d love to hear an explanation from a more experienced (and smarter) person on why they do use a filter on the vent needle.

I am definitely not that experienced, I've only been using peptides since last November. I'm also not that smart I pull from the vial without a vent. Then I remove the just-used needle from the syringe, add the vent, and replace the needle onto the vent with a new needle.

 

[AndyPanda]

If you mean the glutathione, I use a Korean company that sells items for use in cosmetic procedures, like Botox, etc. I use the brand Luthione, it's made by a proper pharmacy. The only three companies I have bought from are Acecosm.com, meamoshop.com and derma-solution.com/ There are a lot of others though, but I have never used them. Shipping is less than a week for all of them. It's around $95.00 for 1200mg X10 vials.

If you mean the Lipo-C, I use SNP.

My most recent order of Glutathione from Acecosm wasn’t delivered after two weeks and that company is less help than Chinese UGL vendors. lol 0 out of 5 stars.

 

[yobculture]

I am definitely not that experienced, I've only been using peptides since last November. I'm also not that smart I pull from the vial without a vent. Then I remove the just-used needle from the syringe, add the vent, and replace the needle onto the vent with a new needle.

Actually, that’s a relief! That’s all I do, too. I was probably just impressed because you wore a mask and gloves. I don’t wear a mask, but sometimes I wear gloves. It’s hard getting the pull-apart filter packaging opened while wearing gloves, so it just annoys me. If I don’t wear gloves, I just spray my hands thoroughly with my bottle of alcohol.