Favorite storage case for freezer?

[byefatlicia]

I always allow it to come to room temperature before I reconstitute and thoroughly inspect it beforehand.

Like inspect it for signs of bacterial growth or inspect for signs of precipitation?

 

[GalloB73]

Very Interesting. I couldn't find those papers to read them thoroughly. Whenever I suggested storing BAC in the fridge, which makes sense on it's face, someone on Reddit would quote that to me. My guess is they interpreted it as they wanted to. I've learned something today. Thank you.

I understand, the same has happened to me on multiple occasions. The guys over on STG called me ignorant and uneducated when I dared suggest that Hospira once opened (and esp +28 days) could benefit from being stored in the fridge as long as it’s brought up to room temp and inspected for precipitation before using. I basically got taken down for having that opinion! So I don’t want the same here. Do what you feel comfortable with fridge or not.

 

[GalloB73]

Like inspect it for signs of bacterial growth or inspect for signs of precipitation?

Anything floating or any cloudiness when it’s been at room temp for 30 mins I would bin the vial.

 

[Chili777]

I have Hospira BAC water, unopened, and I have a supply of Chinese BAC water (0.9% alcohol). I just picked the highest rated BAC on Amazon. (Yes, I know, but I'm not dead yet.) I'd never even get in a discussion with those guys. I figured refrigerating it was the safe thing to do, especially for the Chinese BAC. I always check for any floaters or cloudiness. I warm it before recon, but I wouldn't say it's room temperature.

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

I store my back water in a 3d printed room temp box (my 3d printer runs day and night) for my habit!

I also have 3 hydropeaks with inserts that I have printed also. I need a 4th, 5th and possible even 6th one after my last purchase.

My habit costs me $ for the vials, filaments, new 3d printers, hydro flasks and, oh yeah, anything else that I "think" will be good for my habits

Dayum!!

 

[IshimaruKenta]

I was reading on PGB that there's something called an "Unhinged 480-vial case". I couldn't find anything about said case, but 480? That's a lot of peps!

 

[FlowerFairy]

I'm not sure how your order was shipped but most of the time they should come in a plastic case inside a silver bag. I throw the whole thing in the freezer. BAC water does indeed go in the fridge

Bac water does not need to be refrigerated.

 

[FlowerFairy]

I've heard both. Happy to be wrong if you can send me some links

Why would you need links if the manufacturer states to store it in a cool dark place and not the refrigerator?

 

[miss-sanne]

I like this one with a code lock, in my freezer. It can hold 8 kits, if you play a little Tetris.

(If you need a locked one)

 

[YoYoFat]

BAC water does indeed go in the fridge

No, it doesn’t. Says right there on the manufacturer label that it should be kept at room temperature (69-77°). Brief exposure between 59-86° is generally acceptable. But refrigerators are significantly colder than 59°.

 

[tubby]

From a practical perspective, there could be entirely non-scientific reasons for putting that on the label too. Here's a hypothetical example of how that could end up on the label:

Imagine you're starting up a new BAC water company years ago. Maybe at the time the current biggest company has "refrigerate after first use" stamped on their label and healthcare staff find it irritating to have to constantly retrieve BAC water from the fridge and return it to the fridge after each use. In fact, maybe they only use each vial once and then throw it away, simply to avoid the hassle of refrigerating it, much to their employer's frustration.

Your new company runs some tests to validate that leaving it at room temperature for 28 days is just fine and the alcohol is sufficient to keep stray bacteria under control. At this point your marketing department is trying to decide what to put on the label. Having run that study they could skip putting "refrigerate after first use" on the label, but if they provide no guidance, hospital staff will just assume that old practices (refrigerate after first use) applies to your product the same way it applied to their old BAC water supplier, or they'll argue about it the same way we are.

If instead you put "keep at room temperature" on your label, that will be a major selling point. Staff will rejoice that their already complicated jobs now no longer involve having to waste time running back and forth to the fridge for BAC water, they no longer have to waste space in the fridge storing it, and they simply no longer have to think about that part of the process. In fact, staff might start bragging to their colleagues that their new brand of BAC water is fine at room temperature, causing those colleagues to demand that their employers start carrying the new brand of BAC water. After a few years you could corner the market and become the most popular supplier of BAC water simply by putting "store at room temperature" on your label.

Now I'm not saying I know this is why that is written on the label. There could be very good reasons not to refrigerate BAC water vials (there are certainly good reasons why deep freezing could be a problem). I'm just saying that without a justification provided for the guidance, we're going to keep on arguing about this, since we're all forced to guess at more and less plausible reasons why room temperature might be desirable.

 

[peppypineapple]

Im pretty new still so I’m sure I’ll change things up but for now I emptied a shelf in my closet and dedicated it for pep supplies. I’m still trying to figure something for the fridge (I fill all the syringes at once) so I don’t have baggies full of needles View attachment 8832

I love this setup! Where did you find those stacking drawers?

 

[MsGizmo]

I love this setup! Where did you find those stacking drawers?

Walmart has those. Just look up "acrylic storage drawer" on their website.

 

[trips]

I AM considering a hydrapeak with inserts and desiccants for storing vials in the freezer. That will probably be a post Christmas purchase.

i just went from ziploc with icepack to the hydrapeak. i was originally looking at 3d printed inserts, but found a silicon one on amazon i like quite a bit.

 

[Legdoctor]

i just went from ziploc with icepack to the hydrapeak. i was originally looking at 3d printed inserts, but found a silicon one on amazon i like quite a bit.

Do you have a link ??

 

[MsGizmo]

I just ordered this thing. Fancy.

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808368376671.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.5.25321802Mxz1UZ&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

 

[toologic]

I use 1.00 plastic pencil cases from Target/Walmart. A kit fits great in it along with cardboard box type peptides. I label what's on it with label or I just get different colors and keep a spreadsheet on my laptop with what's inside each colored box.

 

[PAPoots]

Even though they’re probably a bit pedestrian for most, I really like these cases. They’re cheap and the vials fit perfectly. And there are six different colors so you can color coordinate your peptides.

I wish I would have went with the foam case. My hard plastic case rattles a bit, I doubt it damages the peptides, but who knows. Plus it would insulate them as I go through the few I take each time I pull it out to take my doses.

 

[Labcat]

The answer should really be Hospira water should be stored between 20-25c and not refrigerated. This is not a universal recommendation for ALL BAC water. I got an extreme amount of heat for saying this on STG where they are Hospira fanatics and won’t entertain any discussion of any other BAC water.

The reason Pfizer have set a 20-25c temp range is because they have received reports that their formulation (only Hospira, not all BAC water) suffers from a reversible precipitation of the benzyl alcohol at low temperatures. This is completely reversed when the water comes to room temperature and does not affect the efficacy of the benzyl alcohol. But to avoid any risk of people injecting precipitate if not leaving it come to room temp, and the fact that stability for 28 days is supported by data at room temperature, it is much easier to put a notice saying keep at room temp for 28 days to avoid any risk of injecting precipitate. If you are going over 28 days, which nearly everyone does then refrigeration starts to make more sense as it will further reduce microbial growth as the risk of that growth starts to rise. Whether it actually makes any practical difference to actual infections I am not sure. It probably depends how meticulous you are when you recon, how many times you spike the vial, and a bit of luck, all mixed with how long you extend the 28 day period. For most MDVs you’d be expecting to stab it 20-30 times but for peptides it’s probably closer to 10 and that reduces the risk quite a bit. Personally I’ve kept BAC in the fridge with no signs of precipitation at any time, but I always allow it to come to room temperature before I reconstitute and thoroughly inspect it beforehand.

Do you remember where you heard about the precipitation reports? Benzyl alcohol has a melting point of 4.5F which is below the freezing point of water, so that sounds very odd. Now the oxidation products include benzoic acid, a solid with a very high melting point and low solubility of 0.17% at 0C and 0.34% at room temp so maybe it is that? And it’s hiding a product with no longer enough benzyl alcohol in it?

So I guess I would still refrigerate or freeze (not below 4.5F unless prepared to deal with it) and if I saw particulates that dissolved upon returning to warmth, I’d actually think that it was no longer bacteriostatic. 0.5% barely does anything and 0.9% does just enough.

 

[Chucky]

I must be cheap reading how everyone stores their vials in the freezer. I literally just leave them in the plastic case and put them in the freezer