I’m curious… certainly everyone is aware of the endotoxin fiasco involving T30 and a Chinese vendor. But one thing I have not seen mentioned- did anyone of us get sick from using the product? Or was it caught before it could cause damage?
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I used the same batch and felt fine.
Not anyone I can recall, it was not caught right away.wileyhorse said:
So, another question… what inspired the original test for endos to begin with? Since it’s not regularly tested on the COAs
From what I understand. At low levels endotoxins cause local inflammation as your antibodies respond to the bits and chunks of dead bacteria. Most tainted peps fall into this category, at high levels you can get full body inflammation or anaphylaxis but that’s at very high level.
It’s not something to ignore but it’s also not a doomsday if you get a little bit. Dose makes the poison.
It’s not something to ignore but it’s also not a doomsday if you get a little bit. Dose makes the poison.
Thanks for that. I keep hearing people in other forums who are anti- compound or anti - gray make comments about “all these people getting sick from using non-fda approved drugs”, yet i cannot find any evidence whatsoever to support their claims. This most recent endotoxin fiasco made me wonder if anyone HAD gotten sick. So far, I can only find one user comment in a separate thread about somebody having a reaction.dgoldrich said:
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I wouldn't rely too highly on one anectdotal account of being fine with this batch, not that I'm discounting that user's experience. I'm sure that they were fine.
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I think I also read accounts of similar reactions to this batch on various TG servers.
Part of the issue, why some people might experience reactions while others will not are myriad. Everyone's immune system is unique to them and likely a culumination of past exposures to toxins. So, not everyone is going to have similar reactions when presented with a certain endotoxin load. More problematic, how I understand it, is that this batch was sold by over a long period of time with numerous orange colored vial caps. Some with ridges and some without ridges. Makes me think that some of the kits might have not been from the same production run. And then of course, there is the issue of intra-vial consistency within a production run. When we're talking tens of thousand of vials in a production run and we're only testing a handful, it's tough to draw conclusions on the population as a whole with such small samples.
It was jeep, who promised to start running endo tests. They fid a few now theyre back to f yall..Frandroid said:
Apologies, this seemed to be a fairly recent topic. I'm new to the forum, and I'm reading through a lot of information to educate myself.eidos said:
There was nothing wrong with asking this question or stating your thoughts in this existing post asFrandroid said:
1) it is relevant to the existing conversation and
2) shows that you are reading and searching for information rather than starting a new, redundant conversation.
Some of us appreciate that methodology of keeping relevant topics together rather than a bunch of disjointed but similar topics.
Everyone will have a different opinion, but that’s mine. Don’t let criticism discourage you. I don’t personally feel it was justified in this case. Welcome to the forum!
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Ouch.. at least they didn't start an entire new thread like a lot of people do.eidos said:
I don’t see anything wrong with your question or where you posted it, @Frandroid - I think it was a very valid point.Frandroid said:
You absolutely did not need to apologize.Frandroid said:
Just my opinion, but I actually much prefer when folks respond to older threads when the new question or comment is relevant to it. We have enough "new" topics spun up where everyone jumps on the new member to "go find the existing thread" or such.eidos said:
The question posted here made it very easy for me to scroll back a bit to refresh my memory!
New members on here are repeatedly told to use the search function before asking questions and starting new threads. There's absolutely no need for a snarky comment like that.eidos said:
i have noticed a few suppliers adding endo into testing now so overall at least more awareness from them about it and them knowing that we will be testing for it as standard!Airborne Daddy said:
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