Did you guys all get your gallbladder removed and not tell me?

[birdwhacker]

I mean, if someone isn’t having gallbladder pain they’re not posting anything that’s coming up in your search for “gallbladder”.

Yeah but what was worrying was that I saw no mentions of gallbladder pain... Just "I had gallbladder pain one day and then I had it removed!" Here's hoping I'll be the exception for them that stumble across this thread in the future.

Probably just a nutrition issue coupled with the quick weight loss. I also had gallbladder pain on days where I would have junk food (brownies) and hit my protein goals with liquid while maintaining a 700+ deficit.

 

[woundcarping]

…while maintaining a 700+ deficit.

If you’re losing 3.6lb a week after the initial water weight drop (probably not a huge amount given you’re starting weight) math says your daily deficit is more like 1700 calories than 700.

 

[birdwhacker]

If you’re losing 3.6lb a week after the initial water weight drop (probably not a huge amount given you’re starting weight) math says your daily deficit is more like 1700 calories than 700.

It very well might be. I overestimate the calories I consume wildly, and I shoot for 1500 and I rarely eat above 2000. And my TDEE should be around 3000 calories.

I think my heaviest day of overeating on reta has been like 2600 calories, which is really probably closer to 2400 based on how I count them.

 

[Lear00]

Can you explain in more detail your exact symptoms and how you’ve come to the conclusion it’s your gall bladder? There are many confounding conditions that could cause right upper quadrant pain. Not to mention people being able to feel cholelithiasis is not really something I’ve heard of.

 

[birdwhacker]

Can you explain in more detail your exact symptoms and how you’ve come to the conclusion it’s your gall bladder?

The location of the pain is about, from an upright sitting position, five inches down from the right nipple and one inch south. Right at the bottom line of the lowest rib.

It almost only happens during exertion, and almost only happens during very tight calorie deficits and when eating unbalanced meals beforehand, like brownies and protein drinks with fat free milk.

While running I start to feel a mounting sharp pain in that area that becomes larger with continued exertion, similar to precordial catch pain if you've ever had that but in a different location. If I let it go on for too long, breathing will make it hurt worse too. If I stop exercising, the pain doesn't get much worse, and then dissipates slowly after 15-30 minutes.

As for people being able to feel things moving around in that area, it's not unheard of. I only felt the movement those two times, last night and again after eating my meal with healthy fats earlier. It was pinpoint in the exact location that the pain has been in, which is very far removed from where I feel gas, stomach pains, heartburn, or heart palpitations.

Considering the location and type of pain, the amount of weight lost, and my diet leading up to it (a lot of red meat and fat, big calorie deficit, and the calcium supplement) it seems like the best explanation. I realize that I'm inferring dynamics from kinetic data, but I can't exactly go to the doctor and ask them, so it's the best I've got. It seems like some people describe gallbladder pain differently, with differences between males and females, but a subset of people like me seem to only describe upper right quadrant pain.

 

[Lear00]

The location of the pain is about, from an upright sitting position, five inches down from the right nipple and one inch south. Right at the bottom line of the lowest rib.

It almost only happens during exertion, and almost only happens during very tight calorie deficits and when eating unbalanced meals beforehand, like brownies and protein drinks with fat free milk.

While running I start to feel a mounting sharp pain in that area that becomes larger with continued exertion, similar to precordial catch pain if you've ever had that but in a different location. If I let it go on for too long, breathing will make it hurt worse too. If I stop exercising, the pain doesn't get much worse, and then dissipates slowly after 15-30 minutes.

As for people being able to feel things moving around in that area, it's not unheard of. I only felt the movement those two times, last night and again after eating my meal with healthy fats earlier. It was pinpoint in the exact location that the pain has been in, which is very far removed from where I feel gas, stomach pains, heartburn, or heart palpitations.

Considering the location and type of pain, the amount of weight lost, and my diet leading up to it (a lot of red meat and fat, big calorie deficit, and the calcium supplement) it seems like the best explanation. I realize that I'm inferring dynamics from kinetic data, but I can't exactly go to the doctor and ask them, so it's the best I've got. It seems like some people describe gallbladder pain differently, with differences between males and females, but a subset of people like me seem to only describe upper right quadrant pain.

Very interesting! I think at the very least if you haven’t already gotten one, I’d ask my doctor for some liver function tests and a right upper quadrant ultrasound. Both pretty minimally invasive tests and super helpful here.

Oddly enough one of my friends went through something similar to you for a few years and recently was diagnosed with slipping rib syndrome that she got surgery for.

 

[woundcarping]

It very well might be. I overestimate the calories I consume wildly, and I shoot for 1500 and I rarely eat above 2000. And my TDEE should be around 3000 calories.

I think my heaviest day of overeating on reta has been like 2600 calories, which is really probably closer to 2400 based on how I count them.

As long as you’re eyes wide open, full burn my guy.

Hopefully you keep the gallbladder, I 0/10 wanna part with mine.

 

[birdwhacker]

I’d ask my doctor for some liver function tests

Kent I'm in America. If I go to the doctor I'm going to be bleeding and my wallet will be at home. Private labs are an option, but those are for wealthy men who have a hundred dollars to burn. I have better things to spend my money on!

All jokes aside, good information I appreciate it.

Based on what I'm seeing with slipped ribs it just doesn't seem anything like that. The two shifting sensations I felt were vaguely pleasant, came with no discomfort, and happened while stationary. And the sensation seems way too high to be the liver.

 

[lastresort]

Oh shit, I remember.

3 years ago, I went to visit my friend in Australia and i was taking a compound wegovy. While there, I took a swig of chocolate milk and I had the worst pain in the middle section that I ever experienced. I thoght it was a spoiled milk, but I kept throwing up multiple times, sweated bullets and couldn't eat anything the whole day. I had to get a virtual urgent care (thank you Austarlia!) and the doctor told me I may have had a gallbladder attack from GLP1.

Thankfully, I m not having any such effect with reta.

 

[Derby]

Your gallbladder doesn't know the difference between "healthy" fats and garden variety fats. You should reduce your overall fat intake and see if it makes a difference.

 

[Neptide]

Down about 18lbs in 5 weeks on Reta, and I'm starting to have issues with gallbladder pain while running. I know fast weight loss causes gallstones.

I decided to search for "gallbladder" on here and it sounds like everyone who lost weight on a GLP had to have it removed.

Is that it? Do I just wait until it becomes painful enough to warrant an ER visit and then hope they do the surgery for zero down?

Update:

Stats, 236->216, week 7 of reta, started at 2.33mg/wk titrated to 4.66mg at week 5.

6ft tall male 27 years old

Gallbladder pain while running yesterday. Possibly related to taking a calcium supplement I probably didn't need. Felt gallstones shifting just under my ribcage at the 2 o clock position in bed last night.

Went for a run this morning and cut it short due to gallbladder pain again. I only had a protein shake with skim milk this morning, no fats at all, and have previously had pain in the same area during morning exercise when having only a protein shake and some heavy duty brownies I had made (unhealthy fat).

Came home and had a big meal with a lot of olive oil, chicken, garbanzo beans. An apple before and after the meal. Chased it with a few tsp of fish oil. Took some vitamin D. 3 hours later had a big smoothie with frozen fruits, whey protein, and shim milk. Had a few more TSP of fish oil then went out again.

Managed to do six miles of alternated walking and jogging without any more pain in the gallbladder! Crisis averted. I also take a lot of magnesium.

Courtesy of others on here, I might add in malic acid as we

Down about 18lbs in 5 weeks on Reta, and I'm starting to have issues with gallbladder pain while running. I know fast weight loss causes gallstones.

I decided to search for "gallbladder" on here and it sounds like everyone who lost weight on a GLP had to have it removed.

Is that it? Do I just wait until it becomes painful enough to warrant an ER visit and then hope they do the surgery for zero down?

Update:

Stats, 236->216, week 7 of reta, started at 2.33mg/wk titrated to 4.66mg at week 5.

6ft tall male 27 years old

Gallbladder pain while running yesterday. Possibly related to taking a calcium supplement I probably didn't need. Felt gallstones shifting just under my ribcage at the 2 o clock position in bed last night.

Went for a run this morning and cut it short due to gallbladder pain again. I only had a protein shake with skim milk this morning, no fats at all, and have previously had pain in the same area during morning exercise when having only a protein shake and some heavy duty brownies I had made (unhealthy fat).

Came home and had a big meal with a lot of olive oil, chicken, garbanzo beans. An apple before and after the meal. Chased it with a few tsp of fish oil. Took some vitamin D. 3 hours later had a big smoothie with frozen fruits, whey protein, and shim milk. Had a few more TSP of fish oil then went out again.

Managed to do six miles of alternated walking and jogging without any more pain in the gallbladder! Crisis averted. I also take a lot of magnesium.

Courtesy of others on here, I might add in malic acid as well.

I would get to a doctor. Don’t dismiss gall stones and pain. It can be deadly. Don’t mean to sound morbid. I had a gall stone go down bile duct and almost died. Get that checked.

 

[birdwhacker]

Your gallbladder doesn't know the difference between "healthy" fats and garden variety fats.

Incorrect. Omega 3's are indicated in the treatment of gallbladder issues. Some amount of fat is neccessary for gallbladder function, and pork fat is probably worse than salmon huh?

You should reduce your overall fat intake and see if it makes a difference.

Funnily enough, the opposite seems to be working. Yet again, after an attack I came home and ate a fatty meal, took vitamin D, waited a bit, and then had no issues exercising intensely afterwards.

Today, I had a reasonable yet fatty meal before I ever went out, and I didn't have an attack while exercising.

I believe that whey shakes are the problem. Going to try to confirm it tomorrow.

It seems like the only time I have these attacks is when I start my day with a whey protein shake, or whey shake and brownies made with browned butter – which I don't think is a healthy fat.

Could be wrong, but that's what my gut's telling me. Should have it figured out this week.

 

[domin8brix]

Mine was taken out about 5 years ago with my sleeve. Rapid weight loss can definitely bring on issues, though there's also other factors, esp for women. The whole "4 F's" thing: Female, Fat (obese), Forty (or older), and Fertile (having children/childbearing age)

 

[birdwhacker]

My daughter has been having issues with her gallbladder, but she lost weight very rapidly.

Solved the problem! Or at least reduced symptoms and kicked the rock further down the road.

Perhaps your daughter could benefit.

I did a refeed for a week and ate as much as I could, close to maintainence as I could, and avoided hard exercise.

I also cut out the calcium supplements, and I made sure to be religious with having K2 with my D3, also went to 3mg boron every morning, and upped my psilium husk dose.

But I think taurine is what did the most. I added taurine into my routine mostly for PM support, but I found that even a normal dose of it would make me start shitting my pants immediately. I'm talking five minutes after drinking taurine on a full stomach I'm rumbling, gurgling, shitting and farting all over the place for an hour until the liqufacted remains of my intestines make it to a yellow pile in the bowl.

This is not a normal effect of taurine, it's very odd for it to have such a pronounced disturbance in healthy individuals. Turns out, that's because it helps the gallbladder secrete bile acids, and people with fucked up gallbladders can have this effect.

So I stuck with it and added even more psilium husk, especially before and after the taurine, and after a few evenings on the commode, the effects started to subside and now I don't have the diarrhea.

After that, for the last 7 days, I dropped the bottom out of my calories (1500-1800 a day, tdee 2500-3100) and started exercising even harder. Since then I've had no trouble running 5 miles in the morning with barely anything in my stomach.

 

[GrandmaJ]

I had mine out in my 40's. My brother-in-law is a surgeon and he always used to tell us that gallbladder disease follows the 3 "F's". Fat, female and forty. So if you are any of those things and still have your gallbladder, consider yourself one of the lucky ones!

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

Surprised i didnt get in on this thread earlier. My gallbladder bladder shit the bed after if lost about 40 pounds in just a few months and then took me on a dr. Visit train and to the ER. Had it pulled feb of this year and feel so much better. I still get pain feom it on occasion, the place it used to be but less and less as time goes on

 

[birdwhacker]

Surprised i didnt get in on this thread earlier.

Damn man you should have got on taurine earlier!

 

[Smiter]

I had mine out in my 40's. My brother-in-law is a surgeon and he always used to tell us that gallbladder disease follows the 3 "F's". Fat, female and forty. So if you are any of those things and still have your gallbladder, consider yourself one of the lucky ones!

cr@p, I am 2/3 on that... 3/3 if you include fat, forty, and foolish.

Surprised i didnt get in on this thread earlier. My gallbladder bladder shit the bed after if lost about 40 pounds in just a few months and then took me on a dr. Visit train and to the ER. Had it pulled feb of this year and feel so much better. I still get pain feom it on occasion, the place it used to be but less and less as time goes on

horrifying, considering the amount of times I have lost that much weight quickly.. 20-25kgs in a month or so.

 

[Spork]

I'm in the club too - this was pre-GLP-1 use, just came from rapid weight loss... I was doing a bunch of fasting etc.

I'd had a number of gallbladder / gallstone "attacks" before the final one got me - one of those was on a cruise (restrictive diet for months + a week of gluttony = not-so-surprising result).

It's funny though, the thing that finally put me in the hospital, the only thing I had really eaten were some 6-sided healthy tortilla chips and salsa. Boom. Crippling pain. Had the sweats and the whole nine yards. I tried to make it through the night, but finally had to tap out.

What an absolute relief to have that fucker yanked out. Fortunately I haven't missed it in the least. But needless to say, I definitely hit my insurance deductible that year.

 

[Whiynot20026]

Didn’t Lisa Marie Presley die from GLP gallbladder complications. It’s important to know if your gallbladder has issues before starting a GLP1 plan.

Bill