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您好,我终于收到了产品,今天已经配制了第一支。这是我第一次使用注射剂,除了大约15年前HCG很流行的时候试过一次,不过当时可能只打了两针就停用了。

我32岁,身高5英尺11英寸(约180厘米),体重299.8磅(约136公斤),体脂率为44.2%(根据体脂秤和我的Galaxy Watch的数据)。我的目标是减重80-100磅(约36-45公斤),但我会一直进行力量训练和举重。我的最终目标是无论体重如何,体脂率都能低于25%。

大约30分钟前,我注射了第一剂。我决定前两周每天注射0.5毫克,看看感觉如何,效果如何,然后再决定是继续保持0.5毫克,还是在第三周增加到1.0毫克,并以此为基础继续下去。我没有任何不适感,注射部位也没有任何反应,这让我很欣慰!

我只是想了解一些其他人的亲身经历。第一次注射后,你们什么时候开始注意到什么?如果有任何感觉,大概过了多久?什么时候开始感觉食欲下降,或者食物发出的声音变小了?

我正在寻找……这是你第一次使用这类注射剂——GLP-1受体激动剂,也是第一次使用瑞塔汀。谢谢!
 
What was the craze about HCG?

I know with anabolics its a popular PCT option, was it touted for weight loss or anything besides hormone stability?

Ive never heard of it used for anything besides that and its actual medical applications lol
 
PackmanJohnny said:
What was the craze about HCG?

I know with anabolics its a popular PCT option, was it touted for weight loss or anything besides hormone stability?

Ive never heard of it used for anything besides that and its actual medical applications lol
Back in like 2010, people were using HCG along with a calorie deficit to "burn stored fat". Supposedly it "turned on your fat burning". Didn't take me long to realize that it was only the calorie deficit that was causing people to lose weight. And then studies from Mayo clinic and a few other places stated it had no effect on fat burning/weight loss. I worked in a small family doctor's office, and the Dr was big into it. Tried it, along with the rest of the office, noticed nothing, stopped it.
 
Day two update.

I'm not sure if it's the "placebo effect" or if I'm already feeling the effects, but I never felt hungry today. I felt a bit  snackish this morning, browsed the vending machine at work, and walked away with a bottle of water.

Knowing I needed some form of sustenance, I grabbed a meal replacement shake from One Stop on my lunch break. For dinner I had a carnivore style meal consisting of a couple of Whopper patties and a crispy chicken breast from BK(convenience). My typical calorie intake lately was 3k or more, and today I barely hit 1700. All while having no cravings, only eating due to necessity.

I know daily weight doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme, but I'm down 4.2lbs in 24 hours to 295.6. I'm excited to see what my one week weigh in will be.
 
I really don’t understand why people are starting on Retatrutide. You have nowhere to go once you max it out, with the exception of adding Cagri.
 
AndyPanda said:
I really don’t understand why people are starting on Retatrutide. You have nowhere to go once you max it out, with the exception of adding Cagri.
For me, I compared a lot of experience stories with all of the current options. It was the lesser of evils across the board for side effects
 
PackmanJohnny said:
What was the craze about HCG?

I know with anabolics its a popular PCT option, was it touted for weight loss or anything besides hormone stability?

Ive never heard of it used for anything besides that and its actual medical applications lol

Think he may have been mixed up with HGH which is well known to help with fat loss, and a few other things
 
AndyPanda said:
I really don’t understand why people are starting on Retatrutide. You have nowhere to go once you max it out, with the exception of adding Cagri.
I dont plan on being on these forever. I ran a few sample packs of Ozempic I got from a doctor who gave me extra because I pretended like I was gonna pay him 1100$/month for it, I dont remember the exact dosage, 4 or 5 pens worth. It was cool to not be hungry, but I already take Adderall for ADD and dont have a snack/hunger problem, and my A1C is actually within range on my bloods. Also not a fan of some of the long term sides Ive seen from Sema (tirz seems ok).

Reta is attractive because of the GCGR agonist and Im SUPER interested in the liver fatty acid release/reduction in FLD risk I read in a study. if I was ONLY interested in straight up weight loss by any means necessary Id stick to Tesa/GH. I have a lot of muscle I want to retain and am in a place in life where Im just not training much and have accepted that - Thats really the only reason a GLP-1 looks super attractive to me.

NUFC200289 said:
Think he may have been mixed up with HGH which is well known to help with fat loss, and a few other things

GH is the real deal - Wish I could afford to be on it permanently and plan to one day. My experience was life changing. Only second to Test as far as quality of life increase lol
 
NUFC200289 said:
Think he may have been mixed up with HGH which is well known to help with fat loss, and a few other things
The "HCG diet" was a thing 10 years ago. Of course you'll lose weight if you restrict your calories to 500! I though it was a scam that hormone replacement clinics were doing to attract women.

The HCG diet is a weight-loss program that combines a very low-calorie diet (typically 500-800 calories per day) with supplemental human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG), a hormone naturally produced during pregnancy. The diet is divided into three phases: loading, weight loss, and maintenance.
 
AndyPanda said:
I really don’t understand why people are starting on Retatrutide. You have nowhere to go once you max it out, with the exception of adding Cagri.
For me it was reading too many people complaining about fatigue on Tirz. I liked the appetite reduction reports but I want to stay away from anything making feel sluggish or lazy. So far no sides 5 weeks into Reta. So far so good, but time will tell if it was the correct choice for me.
 
AndyPanda said:
I really don’t understand why people are starting on Retatrutide. You have nowhere to go once you max it out, with the exception of adding Cagri.
One can always read every post by @Super Trips for aggressive stacks and dosages:

Super Trips said:
I dose off of 2 things

feel of the drug working on food noise and food intake or wanting to eat.

how much are my symptoms and how they affect me.

Ive never really went off a dosing chart yet

Super Trips said:
Reta + Survo + Cagri stacked is like a super power I have been stacking this for a few weeks

reta 8mg survo 1mg and cagri 2-3 mg every few days besides the reta every 5-7 days

I'm going to try this stack for a month or 2 and see what happens.

Super Trips said:
cagri gives me the runs more than survo clogging me up.

i think 1mg of survo is ok but i have gone as high as 3mg every 3-4 days on a stack

cagri is how much you can handle the side effects i did a whole 5mg in 48hrs just to see what would happen but i do 2.5 as a normal dose on a stack
 
Calm Logic said:
One can always read every post by @Super Trips for aggressive stacks and dosages :
They are going to fry their receptors.
 
On that note, it seems an occasional break or reduction could provide "receptor resensitization":

Google Gemini said:
While desensitization and downregulation can occur, these are typically reversible processes. There's no evidence to suggest that high doses of these medications cause permanent, irreversible damage to the receptors themselves that would render them dysfunctional indefinitely.

Google Gemini said:
An occasional break or reduction in dosage of medications like Retatrutide and other GLP-1 receptor agonists can be helpful for several reasons, primarily related to receptor dynamics and side effect management .

Here's a breakdown:

1. Receptor Resensitization (Reversing Desensitization/Downregulation)​
As discussed, prolonged and continuous activation of receptors by a drug (especially at higher doses) can lead to:

Desensitization: The receptors become less responsive to the drug, even when it's present. Think of it like a sound system that's been playing too loud for too long – you might not notice the subtle changes in volume anymore.

Downregulation: The number of receptors on the cell surface decreases.2 The body essentially pulls some of the "listening stations" inside the cell or reduces their production because they're constantly being bombarded.

How a Break Helps:

By taking a break or reducing the dose, you give the receptors a chance to "recover."

Clearance of Agonist: The drug levels in your body decrease.

Receptor Recycling/Resynthesis: The body can then recycle internalized receptors back to the cell surface and/or produce new ones, increasing the overall number of available receptors.

Restoration of Sensitivity: The receptors that were desensitized can regain their normal responsiveness.

What this means for the patient:

When the medication is reintroduced (or the dose is increased again), the receptors might be more sensitive, meaning the drug could potentially have a stronger or more effective impact at a lower dose, or the initial dose might be more potent than it was before the break. This can be particularly useful if a plateau in efficacy is reached.

2. Side Effect Management​
This is often the most common and practical reason for a dose reduction or temporary break. GLP-1 receptor agonists, especially at higher doses, can cause significant gastrointestinal side effects like:3

Nausea

Vomiting

Diarrhea

Constipation

Abdominal pain

How a Break/Reduction Helps:

Allows Adaptation: A lower dose or a temporary break gives the body time to adapt to the medication and its effects.

Reduces Severity: By reducing the drug's presence or concentration, the intensity of these side effects can lessen, improving patient comfort and adherence.

Titration Strategy: Healthcare providers often use a "start low, go slow" approach (titration) with these medications. If side effects become intolerable, they might advise holding a dose or reducing to the previous dose for a period, allowing the patient to stabilize before attempting to increase again.

3. Assessing Necessity and Individual Response​

Re-evaluation: A planned "drug holiday" (always under medical supervision) can help a doctor assess if the medication is still necessary or if lifestyle changes have progressed to a point where a lower dose or even discontinuation might be considered.

Individual Variability: Everyone responds to medications differently.8 Some people might be more prone to side effects or receptor desensitization than others. A break allows for a more personalized assessment of the drug's ongoing impact.

Important Considerations:​

Medical Supervision is CRITICAL: Never make changes to your medication regimen (including taking breaks or reducing doses) without consulting your healthcare provider.

Stopping GLP-1 agonists, especially for conditions like diabetes or obesity, can lead to:
Weight regain: Most people experience a return of appetite and weight.

Blood sugar elevation: For those with diabetes, blood sugar control will likely worsen.

Return of other symptoms: Benefits like appetite suppression and improved metabolic markers will diminish.

Rebound side effects: When restarting after a break, side effects like nausea and vomiting can return, sometimes even more intensely, requiring another slow titration.

Risk vs. Benefit: The decision to take a break or reduce a dose is a careful balance of the potential benefits (receptor resensitization, side effect relief) against the risks (return of symptoms, weight regain, rebound side effects upon restarting).

In essence, an occasional break or reduction is a strategic tool in a healthcare provider's arsenal to fine-tune treatment, manage adverse effects, and maintain long-term efficacy and patient adherence to these important medications.
 
Calm Logic said:
On that note, it seems an occasional break or reduction could provide "receptor resensitization":
They will be on here posting about being stalled, looking for answers. 😂
 
And sometimes it's not a stall. It's a gift from the bro universe to let skin and muscles catch up 💪
 
AndyPanda said:
I really don’t understand why people are starting on Retatrutide. You have nowhere to go once you max it out, with the exception of adding Cagri.
I’m making my first order tomorrow so I’m glad you said this! My research has pointed me to the direction of Tirz & Reta for GLP1 and cagri and a few others for additional supplementation.

Sema did absolutely nothing so I must move on. Are you saying I should start with Tirz first? I know Reta is a powerhouse but if Tirz works, it works.
 
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