Anyone making their own bac water?

[Ruckus4519]

Is this an EU thing? BAC is readily available online in AUS, can even get it on Amazon

Hospira BAC? or backwater BAC?

 

[FlowerFairy]

@BasharTeg

Hi im also from Germany, nice to see here People from the same Region. I have now also the same Issue my last BAC is now used and i need replenishment.

I have used 2 times China BAC for a test with Tirz but both times i got heavy Side Effects(Heart Racing/feeling sick ect.) from someone. I will exclude that it depends on the BAC Water.

For this Reason i ordered Saline NaCL Injectionwater? Any Reason why you didn´t use it? And what will be the better Solution NaCL oder Ampuwa with BA for rec. of Tirz?

Tirz doesn’t play well w/saline- just an fyi!

 

[UncrossSelector]

Is this an EU thing? BAC is readily available online in AUS, can even get it on Amazon

I wouldn't say it's easy here either. There's two websites that sell genuine Hospira. Both around $70 AUD for two (that's like $48 USD). I consider myself lucky paying $20 each.

Mostly people are selling the [removed] or the [removed] stuff from India. Which afaik i've never found a proper third party test of.

The stuff on [removed] is dodgy, and one of the other popular local [prempved] came back as having no Benzyl in it.

(these newbie filters really suck ass)

 

[ESSO88]

Why is genuine Hospira required? Sorry, I’m new

 

[Sid the SeaGull]

Why is genuine Hospira required? Sorry, I’m new

It's not needed . However it got a good track record and is a reliable BAC source.

For the most part other BAC sources are fine. Even when a bad reconstitution occurs it gets blamed on BAC . With out testing it's impossible to say if it's bad BAC , a bad pep batch or something else.

 

[ESSO88]

Gotcha. Thanks

 

[Obi Pep Kenobi]

I’ve heard a lot of people make their own bac water

 

[mercutio]

I never understand why people go ghetto with BAC. You put more bac into yourself than anything else. Vendor and "Amazon" bac has failed tests in the past. Hospira is controlled, pharma/human grade used widely. It lasts 90 days without significant degradation.

You save so much money using grey, why skimp on bac? And making it yourself is crazy.

Saline is for single dose, not for reconstituting to store.

Always test your peptides, always filter, always use Hospira, or other pharma/human grade depending on your country.

 

[ta13579]

Hi France based here. I went home-made BAC since 3 months. I use it to reconstitute tirze, reta, klow and nad+.

So far so good. No more "where in the world is Hospira" anxiety.

Did you have to make the water isotonic first? My understanding is this doesn't matter for irrigation and small subQ injections? I'm very curious on how much homemade bac water is different from bac water I was buying on Amazon until recently. I plan to make one vial and send it for lab analysis before I use it. I'm truly curious how much endotoxin exists just using USP Benzyl Alcohol + Sterile WFI mixed in a sterile vial. At least in the USA, it's not too difficult to find WFI.

 

[cat_walk]

I never understand why people go ghetto with BAC. You put more bac into yourself than anything else. Vendor and "Amazon" bac has failed tests in the past. Hospira is controlled, pharma/human grade used widely. It lasts 90 days without significant degradation.

You save so much money using grey, why skimp on bac? And making it yourself is crazy.

Saline is for single dose, not for reconstituting to store.

Always test your peptides, always filter, always use Hospira, or other pharma/human grade depending on your country

Did you have to make the water isotonic first? My understanding is this doesn't matter for irrigation and small subQ injections? I'm very curious on how much homemade bac water is different from bac water I was buying on Amazon until recently. I plan to make one vial and send it for lab analysis before I use it. I'm truly curious how much endotoxin exists just using USP Benzyl Alcohol + Sterile WFI mixed in a sterile vial. At least in the USA, it's not too difficult to find WFI.

I buy sterile water from pharmacies here in France (10ml vial). Then I add 0.9% benzylic alcohol. I only create the BAC water I need for immediate reconstitution. I discard what is not being used.

 

[ta13579]

I buy sterile water from pharmacies here in France (10ml vial). Then I add 0.9% benzylic alcohol. I only create the BAC water I need for immediate reconstitution. I discard what is not being used.

Thanks for the reply. I did more research and apparently the tonitcity of the Sterfile WFI doesn't matter that much for small volume injections. In fact, I came to learn that regular bacwater isn't isotonic either. I'm going to make a few vials and send one off for testing. Thanks again.

 

[janedoe]

I buy sterile water from pharmacies here in France (10ml vial). Then I add 0.9% benzylic alcohol. I only create the BAC water I need for immediate reconstitution. I discard what is not being used.

A year ago I was beginning to research home grown BAC. Found a University chemist platform as well as, orher places to get input. For me, my comfort rational was if I am buying grey from a vendor that I am confident with, and it's tested well enough for my comfort level, I may as well try my own brew. It can't be more dangerous than foreign chemicals I'm using, and I'm comfortable w/ my own practices more than anything else. Pharma sterile water, with added BA to the sterile vial. BA is fairly accessible. I obtained a flat of hospira BAC prior to the price increase early last year, but wanted to learn for event of future need. If I have to, I will use my own.

 

[OldManStrength]

Another great thread! I thought a lot about this subject, but haven’t really looked into it. I’ve made a lot of sterile water for mycology work and I wondered about making sterile water and adding BA. Also, I have a whole case of Hospira BA water that expired July 2013. I was curious if it has gone bad or if I can just add some BA to it?

 

[FartfulCodger]

On the subject of sterile water, wouldn't it be possible to make your own by distilling some pure water using the upside-down-lid-on-a-boiling-pot method? I think you'd end up with sterile distilled water that would be good enough for injections. One concern is that the resulting pH apparently can vary depending on when you seal your distilled water during cooling.

I'd think this would be good enough for immediate use. But if you're going to use it to reconstitute a peptide meant to last for a month, you'd add 1 part BA to 100 parts water. I'd expect that the 99.995% pure USP grade BA made by Revolve Chem would work just fine.

I know it's easier to just buy Hospira, but some people can't seem to source it easily and I don't trust that the supply will always be available to those of us who can.

Is this workable? Can someone smarter than me weigh in?

 

[deluge]

On the subject of sterile water, wouldn't it be possible to make your own by distilling some pure water using the upside-down-lid-on-a-boiling-pot method? I think you'd end up with sterile distilled water that would be good enough for injections. One concern is that the resulting pH apparently can vary depending on when you seal your distilled water during cooling.

I'd think this would be good enough for immediate use. But if you're going to use it to reconstitute a peptide meant to last for a month, you'd add 1 part BA to 100 parts water. I'd expect that the 99.995% pure USP grade BA made by Revolve Chem would work just fine.

I know it's easier to just buy Hospira, but some people can't seem to source it easily and I don't trust that the supply will always be available to those of us who can.

Is this workable? Can someone smarter than me weigh in?

I love the spirit of your idea, and I myself run a still several times a year as a hobby, but honestly, I think I'd take my chances with a gallon jug of distilled water from WallyWorld before I trusted my own process in the kitchen.

Not that I'm recommending WW distilled for injection. I buy Hospira from InjectionShop, get the bill up to $50 and shipping is free. Or, based on Peter Magic's advice on that YT video, just used Sterile for Injection. There are options.

 

[FartfulCodger]

I love the spirit of your idea, and I myself run a still several times a year as a hobby, but honestly, I think I'd take my chances with a gallon jug of distilled water from WallyWorld before I trusted my own process in the kitchen.

Not that I'm recommending WW distilled for injection. I buy Hospira from InjectionShop, get the bill up to $50 and shipping is free. Or, based on Peter Magic's advice on that YT video, just used Sterile for Injection. There are options.

I'm with you in that I wouldn't trust the sterility of the WW stuff straight out of the bottle. But I'd think my own boiling and distillation would remove both microbes and endotoxins.

Sterile water for injections is great, but once it's added to a punctured vial, it lacks the BA that would inhibit microbe growth over the weeks that follow.

In any case, I don't think I'll be pursuing this option--it just makes for interesting discussion.

 

[deluge]

In any case, I don't think I'll be pursuing this option--it just makes for interesting discussion.

Im with you in on that! Love the breaking bad vibes, but I don’t want the consequences.

 

[TazaTaza]

It's less of a headache to get BAC from a EU based/locally based research company who has a COA attached to their products.

Other easier options would be to use pharma grade sterile water, saline, or even PBS (cheap and very easy to get) which is much easier to get w/little to no restrictions and limit your vial use to 30 days.

I agree with others in theory it is easy to make a 0.9% solution of something, but to guarantee it is "sterile" or not contaminated is another discussion.

 

[ta13579]

On the subject of sterile water, wouldn't it be possible to make your own by distilling some pure water using the upside-down-lid-on-a-boiling-pot method? I think you'd end up with sterile distilled water that would be good enough for injections. One concern is that the resulting pH apparently can vary depending on when you seal your distilled water during cooling.

The problem with distilling your own water is the transfer of the water to the sterile vials and air contamination. What about left over endotoxin from that distillation? According to Grok, endotoxin is removed by reverse osmosis and other filtration methods.

My approach is to just buy Sterile WFI (microbe and endotoxin free) used in hospitals for IV bags. Buy 10 sterile vials and add sterile BA by mass measurement to each vial. Then transfer Sterile WFI via sterile syringe to each vial by volume. All fluids transfer through sterile syringes and never get exposed to open air. There is a small amount of air likely in the syringe, but not much can be done about it and hopefully it's so minimal the BA prevents any growth.

Preparing the BAC water in front of a hepa filter often used for mycology work may mitigate the contamination risk further. I'm tempted to try it, but it's a lot more work than just buying Hospira

 

[FartfulCodger]

The problem with distilling your own water is the transfer of the water to the sterile vials and contamination. What about left over endotoxin from that distillation? According to Grok, endotoxin is removed by reverse osmosis and other filtration methods. My approach is to just buy Sterile WFI (microbe and endotoxin free) used in hospitals for IV bags. Buy 10 sterile vials and add sterile BAC by mass measurement to each vial. Then transfer Sterile WFI via sterile syringe to each vial. All fluids transfer through sterile syringes and never get exposed to open air. There is a small amount of air likely in the syringe, but not much can be done about it and hopefully it's so minimal the BAC prevents any growth.

I'd be inclined to have my empty vials and rubber caps boiling in the water, to sterilize them. Then I'd fill the vials with the hot distilled water and cap them while everything was still hot.

From what I understand, endotoxins would remain in the unevaporated water and not rise into the distilled steam.

I suppose there's still a possibility that endotoxins would be present in the unevaporated water that touches the vials, but it seems like it would be a minute amount if there was any at all.