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You ever read about Ed Currie, creator of the Carolina reaper and 7x cancer survivor?

If you are worried about cancer, I suggest reading about that man’s journey to being cancer free. It’s pretty humbling what some foods can do when added to your diet.

I'm a big fan of Ed and have a fridge full of Puckerbutt sauces.

I would not trust capsaicin to be a panacea for cancer.

 

[Rohpic]

I'm a big fan of Ed and have a fridge full of Puckerbutt sauces.

I would not trust capsaicin to be a panacea for cancer.

It worked for him, but to each their own. Some trust a Dr making commission's, some trust other things. I ignored my Docs advice and relished in the look of disbelief on his face when I returned much healthier then he said I would be with the things I did instead of his advice. Sometimes it really is as simple as eating a spicy pepper a day. I will say this one last thing. My mother, father, and sister all had cancer. I eat spicy peppers daily and have not had cancer. Best of luck either way!

 

[BooneDonk]

Had cancer 7 times? That’s a lot of times cured or not.

 

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Had cancer 7 times? That’s a lot of times cured or not.

He had it 7x then started eating hot peppers and has not had it since. I think it’s been 10+ years now cancer free? It’s a remarkable story, really. His cancer is why we even have the Carolina reaper pepper.

 

[desinr-gal]

It worked for him, but to each their own. Some trust a Dr making commission's, some trust other things. I ignored my Docs advice and relished in the look of disbelief on his face when I returned much healthier then he said I would be with the things I did instead of his advice. Sometimes it really is as simple as eating a spicy pepper a day. I will say this one last thing. My mother, father, and sister all had cancer. I eat spicy peppers daily and have not had cancer. Best of luck either way!

How spicy do the peppers have to be?

 

[desinr-gal]

I get mine from a Korean beauty supply. It's been great.

how did you use it?

 

[Rohpic]

How spicy do the peppers have to be?

If you’re trying to replicate what Ed found in his research, then at the very least a habanero tier heat (1mil scolville+) The hotter the better tho is what he believes, which is why he made the Carolina reaper at all.

 

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It worked for him, but to each their own. Some trust a Dr making commission's, some trust other things. I ignored my Docs advice and relished in the look of disbelief on his face when I returned much healthier then he said I would be with the things I did instead of his advice. Sometimes it really is as simple as eating a spicy pepper a day. I will say this one last thing. My mother, father, and sister all had cancer. I eat spicy peppers daily and have not had cancer. Best of luck either way!

I hope you remain cancer free.

But science is driven forward by thorough research where variables are controlled for and sample sizes are large enough for us to determine the effect. Anecdotes by individuals aren't data.

Capsaicin does show some anti-cancer properties! In vitro. We don't know how much, if at all, it impacts it in humans, or if it can counterbalance the very strong effects we know that VEGF promoting compounds can have. I love spicy food, so it's easy already in my diet.

But we're talking about people's lives, so I don't think it's a good idea to suggest that an unproven method of fighting cancer is all one needs to do to make other growth-promoting compounds worry-free.

 

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I hope you remain cancer free.

But science is driven forward by thorough research where variables are controlled for and sample sizes are large enough for us to determine the effect. Anecdotes by individuals aren't data.

Capsaicin does show some anti-cancer properties! In vitro. We don't know how much, if at all, it impacts it in humans, or if it can counterbalance the very strong effects we know that VEGF promoting compounds can have. I love spicy food, so it's easy already in my diet.

But we're talking about people's lives, so I don't think it's a good idea to suggest that an unproven method of fighting cancer is all one needs to do to make other growth-promoting compounds worry-free.

There is actually mountains of research, and many proven cases of the cancer fighting properties of peppers. Saying the data is anecdotal is simply put, not true.

“Capsaicin, a compound found in chili peppers, exhibits anticancer properties by targeting multiple pathways involved in cancer cell growth and survival. Studies suggest capsaicin can induce apoptosis (programmed cell death), inhibit cancer cell growth, and interfere with processes like angiogenesis (formation of new blood vessels that tumors need to grow) and metastasis (spread of cancer to other parts of the body).

Mechanisms of Action:

Apoptosis Induction:

Capsaicin can trigger apoptosis, or programmed cell death, in various cancer cell types, including pancreatic, colon, prostate, liver, and lung cancer cells. It can activate both the intrinsic (mitochondrial) and extrinsic (death receptor) pathways leading to apoptosis.

Cell Cycle Arrest:

Capsaicin can halt the progression of cancer cells through the cell cycle, preventing their uncontrolled proliferation.

Inhibition of Signaling Pathways:

Capsaicin has been shown to interfere with several signaling pathways crucial for cancer cell survival and growth, such as the NF-kB, STAT3, MAPK, PI3K-AKT, hedgehog, and β-catenin pathways.

Angiogenesis Inhibition:

By targeting pathways involved in blood vessel formation, capsaicin can hinder tumor growth by limiting their access to nutrients and oxygen.

Metastasis Inhibition:

Capsaicin can also affect the processes of cancer metastasis, such as epithelial-to-mesenchymal transition (EMT), migration, and invasion, by modulating pathways like MMPs (matrix metalloproteinases).

Evidence and Studies:

In Vitro Studies:

Numerous studies in cell cultures (in vitro) have demonstrated the anticancer effects of capsaicin against various cancer cell lines.

In Vivo Studies:

Capsaicin has shown promising results in animal models of cancer, suggesting its potential as a chemopreventive or therapeutic agent.

Combination Therapies:

Research explores the potential of using capsaicin in combination with other anticancer drugs or therapies to enhance their effectiveness.

There are mountains of studies and research. Ed Currie is simply a relatable example, which is why I used it. As I said before, do as you wish and believe as you wish. Some people like giving doctors their commission, some believe in science that isn’t profitable, but may be successful anyway.

Anticancer Properties of Capsaicin Against Human Cancer - PubMed

There is persuasive epidemiological and experimental evidence that dietary phytochemicals have anticancer activity. Capsaicin is a bioactive phytochemical abundant in red and chili peppers. While the preponderance of the data strongly indicates significant anticancer benefits of capsaicin, more...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

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There is not a single human study showing the efficacy as capsaicin as a cancer treatment in humans. Your own post explicitly calls this out: The only in vivo studies are in animals.

It likely has anti-cancer properties. We have no idea how strong they are, if they matter in the face of VEGF-promoting compounds, etc.

Promoting it as a way to prevent any concerns around tumor-growth promoting compounds is irresponsible.

 

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I hope the irony isn't lost on you, that you're grandstanding on a forum that thrives on open discussion wh ile dismissing valid critiques of the medical industry. Many potentially beneficial treatments, like Ivermectin, garlic, BPC-157, and other naturally occurring substances, often lack funding not because they're ineffective, but because they can't be patented. Unfortunately, in many cases, Western medicine tends to prioritize profit over prevention or affordable therapeutics, overlooking options that don’t serve commercial interests.

There is nothing irresponsible about sharing information on easy and affordable measures against cancer. No one said it’s a cure all to cancer.

 

[RocketGotRobbed]

I could see that happening if you were using large amounts, but a half a cc in 3 mls isn’t going to affect you systemically. If it did, lidocaine patches wouldn’t be OTC.

Yeah, it takes large amounts. Very sizeable actually.

how did you use it?

how did you use it?

I pull .1mL into the syringe after II pull the pep then inject immediately. But we have a longevity clinic here that reconstitutes their NAD with BAC and lidocaine. If the lidocaine has noo preservatives, and mine does not, it doesn't bother anything.

 

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I hope the irony isn't lost on you, that you're grandstanding on a forum that thrives on open discussion wh ile dismissing valid critiques of the medical industry. Many potentially beneficial treatments, like Ivermectin, garlic, BPC-157, and other naturally occurring substances, often lack funding not because they're ineffective, but because they can't be patented. Unfortunately, in many cases, Western medicine tends to prioritize profit over prevention or affordable therapeutics, overlooking options that don’t serve commercial interests.

There is nothing irresponsible about sharing information on easy and affordable measures against cancer. No one said it’s a cure all to cancer.

Ivermectin's medical usage is extremely well studied. It's an excellent anti-parasitic and is widely available for the use cases that science supports it for. It is a product of the pharma industry - we would not have it without Merck.

But this isn't a defense of big pharma - it is pointing out that regardless of whatever the reason is, we do not have any body of research showing what, if any, level of efficacy capsaicin has in preventing cancer in humans. That is undeniable fact.

And that means that yes, in response to someone sharing concerns around the tumor growth-promoting aspects of compounds that increas VEGF, it is irresponsible to say "well if you're concerned about that you should eat peppers."

Adding capsaicin to your diet might be a reasonable thing to do in general. I certainly get plenty of it. Hopefully it does help prevent cancer. But it should not be a recommendation as some sort of counterbalance against specific concerns. If someone who would otherwise not take AHK-Cu because they have these concerns is convinced to take it because they believe that capsaicin is going to mitigate their concerns, we're potentially materially impacting someone's life based off of inconclusive information.

Yes, this forum thrives on open discussion. That means informing people. You've informed them of some interesting research. I've cautioned that this research is inconclusive and that I believe your promotion of it is misleading.

 

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it is irresponsible to say "well if you're concerned about that you should eat peppers."

I need to point out that you're attributing quotes to me that I never said. You're paraphrasing my words in a way that misrepresents my position and frames your grandstanding as justifiable.

It’s also clear at this point that you’re deeply invested in this debate and determined to be right. So, go ahead, have the final word if that matters to you. If your stance is that Western medicine is the only valid approach, then I’ll leave you to it. You're clearly confident in your position.

 

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I need to point out that you're attributing quotes to me that I never said. You're paraphrasing my words in a way that misrepresents my position and frames your grandstanding as justifiable.

It’s also clear at this point that you’re deeply invested in this debate and determined to be right. So, go ahead, have the final word if that matters to you. If your stance is that Western medicine is the only valid approach, then I’ll leave you to it. You're clearly confident in your position.

I explicitly stated I am hesitant about adding more VEGF increasing compounds in my stack because of tumor growth concerns.

You replied with this:

If you are worried about cancer, I suggest reading about that man’s journey to being cancer free. It’s pretty humbling what some foods can do when added to your diet.

You are being quite explicit that there is a "humbling" effect from adding capsaicin to your diet when it comes to cancer. You are directly replying to a specific concern with the suggestion that capsaicin resolves that concern.

I can also just make unilateral statements about your position, same as you did to me: It's clear at this point you are determined to escape responsibility for what your stance obviously was. You're now applying the common tactic of claiming you don't actually care that much, and making a post that tries to trap the other person into either giving you the last word after making specific attacks about their point, or proving you right by replying to "get the last word."