Abdominal Fat & /or Stomach Fat

[ussop]

Hello, I am currently taking RETA 10 mg. Along with that, I take Adderall, Keppra, and Lamotrigine for seizures (something genetic, I’m pretty sure).

Right now, I’m on RETA, and I want to get my abs more defined. Tesamorelin seems like a very good option because it reduces abdominal fat. Now I’m trying to figure out if there’s an alternative or something else I should do. The other option is the “lemon bottle” thing, but it doesn’t directly reduce the inside fat and the unseen fat, and that can affect your health. Besides looking good, I also want to feel good.

Basically, I will seize out if I don’t take my seizure meds.

Now, I know the first thing people will say is, “Don’t take risks with your health,” but I do controlled risk.

So, I want to get my abs defined. I’m already taking RETA, and there was a risk associated with RETA. Luckily, I realized that and went on a controlled dosage.

(I increased RETA slowly based on my comfort level.)

But apparently, Tesamorelin directly counteracts my Keppra and Lamotrigine usage.

• Drug Interaction Mechanism: Keppra and Tesamorelin act on the same glutamate pathway in the brain but with opposite effects, leading to a counteracting action.

• Tesamorelin’s Effect: Increases brain receptor sensitivity to electrical signals, potentially lowering the seizure threshold.

• Stack Risk with Stimulants: Combining these drugs with stimulants like Adderall further increases the risk by adding another accelerating force to the brain’s electrical activity.

So, I’m basically looking for some advice here, if possible, or some general guidance. I’ve tried to do a lot of research on this topic, but I’ve hit a wall.

 

[Grogu]

Just wondering if you've had a Dexa scan and are sure that your abdominal fat is visceral?

The only reason I ask is that I was convinced that I would eventually use tesa, but it turns out that my thick belly is mostly SQ and not visceral, and that tesa primarily helps with the later rather than the former.

I can't help with the contraindications of tesamorelin and your current medications or provide other possible peptides to help with reducing abdominal fat. I think that the best thing for making your abs show is just reaching a certain overall body fat level (cutting).

 

[Smiter]

Hello, I am currently taking RETA 10 mg. Along with that, I take Adderall, Keppra, and Lamotrigine for seizures (something genetic, I’m pretty sure).

Right now, I’m on RETA, and I want to get my abs more defined. Tesamorelin seems like a very good option because it reduces abdominal fat. Now I’m trying to figure out if there’s an alternative or something else I should do. The other option is the “lemon bottle” thing, but it doesn’t directly reduce the inside fat and the unseen fat, and that can affect your health. Besides looking good, I also want to feel good.

Basically, I will seize out if I don’t take my seizure meds.

Now, I know the first thing people will say is, “Don’t take risks with your health,” but I do controlled risk.

So, I want to get my abs defined. I’m already taking RETA, and there was a risk associated with RETA. Luckily, I realized that and went on a controlled dosage.

(I increased RETA slowly based on my comfort level.)

But apparently, Tesamorelin directly counteracts my Keppra and Lamotrigine usage.

• Drug Interaction Mechanism: Keppra and Tesamorelin act on the same glutamate pathway in the brain but with opposite effects, leading to a counteracting action.

• Tesamorelin’s Effect: Increases brain receptor sensitivity to electrical signals, potentially lowering the seizure threshold.

• Stack Risk with Stimulants: Combining these drugs with stimulants like Adderall further increases the risk by adding another accelerating force to the brain’s electrical activity.

So, I’m basically looking for some advice here, if possible, or some general guidance. I’ve tried to do a lot of research on this topic, but I’ve hit a wall.

If I were you, I would do an exhaustive search for things you cannot take. Use AI and verify the answers but that said, enhancing your thermogenesis should be a mild but safe place to start. AAS is there, but that's extreme. I'm using adipotide right now, though I dont think you may want that.

 

[ussop]

Just wondering if you've had a Dexa scan and are sure that your abdominal fat is visceral?

The only reason I ask is that I was convinced that I would eventually use tesa, but it turns out that my thick belly is mostly SQ and not visceral, and that tesa primarily helps with the later rather than the former.

I can't help with the contraindications of tesamorelin and your current medications or provide other possible peptides to help with reducing abdominal fat. I think that the best thing for making your abs show is just reaching a certain overall body fat level (cutting).

I’m sure there are some, and even if there aren’t, it might reduce any extra fat along with that cutting won’t effectively spot focus on that. I would want my abs defined, and based on what I know, it’s either lemon or Tessa.

 

[bay_area_schizo]

Just wondering if you've had a Dexa scan and are sure that your abdominal fat is visceral?

The only reason I ask is that I was convinced that I would eventually use tesa, but it turns out that my thick belly is mostly SQ and not visceral, and that tesa primarily helps with the later rather than the former.

I can't help with the contraindications of tesamorelin and your current medications or provide other possible peptides to help with reducing abdominal fat. I think that the best thing for making your abs show is just reaching a certain overall body fat level (cutting).

SQ? squishy? squared? sry I'm not well versed on the different types of belly fat

 

[ussop]

If I were you, I would do an exhaustive search for things you cannot take. Use AI and verify the answers but that said, enhancing your thermogenesis should be a mild but safe place to start. AAS is there, but that's extreme. I'm using adipotide right now, though I dont think you may want that.

What do you think I’ve been doing the last 3 days?

That’s how I even found out Tesa was unsafe.

Check my post history. I’ve done entire reports on vendors and peptides.

 

[lessthanhalf]

If you are trying to make abdominal muscles more visible, then what you need to do is reduce subcutaneous fat, that overlays those muscles, not intrabdominal. The fat inside your gut does not obscure the muscles on the outside, it just makes the overall abdomen larger.

So tesa is not going to help get more defined abs, reta will. And obviously trying to get levels of fat that low is not really for health purposes, more for looks, so maybe consider the risk benefit equation.

 

[Grogu]

SQ? squishy? squared? sry I'm not well versed on the different types of belly fat

Yes, sub-Q fat is soft and squishy and can be pinched. Visceral abdominal fat lies around organs and behind the abdominal wall musculature. You can't pinch visceral fat.

Lie flat on your back, if things get flatter, then probably mostly SQ.

 

[bay_area_schizo]

thank you... ok I'm basically all SQ fat

 

[Smiter]

Alright, then apart from adipotide, look at all the non-estrogenic/non-aromatizing AAS. I dont know if you wanna go down that route. But Sameday supplements has some excellent products. I love Cloma Pharma in there. Though, in your case, you need to check the ingredient list for the products. So the principle is build more metabolically active tissues aka muscles, increase your TDEE, use fat burners with capsaicinols to enhance thermogenesis. Oh and see if you can get Hungarian sweet paprika powder, use it on everything. It's not the perfect Ch-19 sweet, but it'll do the job...here's the AI.

The CH-19 Sweet pepper supplement uses a specialized non-pungent cultivar of red chili pepper. It is primarily taken to boost metabolism and promote weight management. The extract delivers the thermogenic benefits of regular hot peppers—without causing stomach burning or spikes in heart rate or blood pressure.

How It Works

Active Compounds: The supplement contains capsinoids (specifically capsiate ), which are molecularly similar to capsaicin but lack the fiery burning sensation.

Theriogenesis: Capsinoids activate the sympathetic nervous system, which slightly raises body temperature and increases the rate at which your body burns calories.

Fat Loss: Clinical studies suggest that regular supplementation can aid in suppressing body fat accumulation and slightly reducing resting energy intake.

Safety & Usage

No Burning or Irritation: Unlike standard capsaicin supplements, CH-19 Sweet extracts do not cause oral or gastrointestinal irritation.

Cardiovascular Safety: Research has shown that these supplements do not adversely affect systolic blood pressure or heart rate, making them a safer alternative for those sensitive to spicy foods.

Where to Find It

Capsiate Natura is the most notable trademarked formulation of CH-19 Sweet extract. Historically, this medical-grade supplement has been distributed primarily through physicians and specialized weight management clinics. You can explore authorized distributors or discuss incorporating this into your health regimen by reaching out to wellness centers or checking out health product platforms like the National Institutes of Health or clinical trial data published on ClinicalTrials.gov.

ALSO- FAT BROWNING:

Browning of white adipose tissue (WAT) is the process where white fat cells (which store energy) turn into thermogenic beige/brite fat cells (which burn energy). This phenomenon, triggered by cold exposure, exercise, and diet, increases Uncoupling Protein 1 (UCP1) expression, increasing energy expenditure and potentially counteracting obesity. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Key Aspects of WAT Browning

The Process: White fat transforms into "beige" or "brite" (brown-in-white) cells, which have high mitochondrial density and the ability to dissipate energy as heat.

Inducers: Primarily stimulated by sympathetic nervous system activity (norepinephrine acting on $\beta$-3 adrenergic receptors), but also by cold exposure, physical exercise (via myokine irisin), and diet.

Beneficial Effects: It improves metabolism by increasing energy expenditure, reducing fat accumulation, and improving glucose homeostasis.

Drawbacks: Excessive browning has been linked to cachexia (muscle wasting), atherosclerosis, and liver issues in extreme conditions.

How to Induce Browning

Cold Exposure: Regular exposure to cold temperatures (e.g., cold showers, cold baths) increases UCP1 expression in adipose tissues.

Exercise: Regular physical activity induces the release of factors that stimulate this transformation.

Nutritional Factors: Certain bioactive compounds, such as capsaicin (spicy foods),

resveratrol

(grapes/wine),

curcumin

(turmeric), and

green tea

, are known to support the browning process.

Metabolites: Studies suggest lactate can trigger this process, acting as an adaptive mechanism.

 

[Grogu]

I’m sure there are some, and even if there aren’t, it might reduce any extra fat along with that cutting won’t effectively spot focus on that. I would want my abs defined, and based on what I know, it’s either lemon or Tessa.

I seriously don't think tesa is going to give you a ripped mid-section. That's going to happen by reducing overall body fat %. Below is the percentages that AI says are general body fat thresholds for men and abs showing.

Even still, there could be some benefits from using tesa even if your fat is primarily SQ since visceral is the "bad" belly fat. And reducing that is probably a good thing. I'm thinking that tesa will probably reduce the overall circumference of your midsection and provide an overall leaner look.

 

[Grogu]

thank you... ok I'm basically all SQ fat

Me too! When I lie down, my belly really flattens out and I'm like, "why can't it be like this when I stand up" .

 

[bay_area_schizo]

<shakes fist angrily> "dam you gravity!"

 

[5byfive]

Hold on a second while I get my soapbox.

Seems like every other post is something about how to shortcut something. Just doing the work is always 99% of the answer. If you want abs, get lean. If you want muscle, eat protien and lift the round heavy things. Peps are not magic wish granting elixirs (those are called steroids).

What can peps do? GLPs can make it substantially easier to do what is biologically necessary to lose weight but you still need to be at a calorie deficit, it can feel like weight loss magic but its not. Otherwise, we are generally talking small effects (if any, in some cases) and usually around things like recovery, inflammation, etc. Usually its the kind of thing where if you are doing all the right things to have a good foundation, it may give you an extra couple of percent to your results.

I'm not anti-pep at all (I'm here obviously) but, GLPs aside, I think they are best viewed as optimization tools. Something where I have done the 98% of what I can reasonably do and I'm looking to just get that extra 1-2%.

End of rant.

 

[redsaint]

There is no magic peptide to give yourself abs. Otherwise everybody would be walking around with abs!

The answer is a combination of getting leaner + resistance training + genetics. You can't change the structure of your abdominal muscles, but you can train them via progressive overload just like any other muscle, which will help them pop more once you are lean.

If you are struggling to cut down with Reta, maybe give Tirz a try. Most people agree that it is more effective at appetite suppression.

 

[Gt3294a]

Hello, I am currently taking RETA 10 mg. Along with that, I take Adderall, Keppra, and Lamotrigine for seizures (something genetic, I’m pretty sure).

Right now, I’m on RETA, and I want to get my abs more defined. Tesamorelin seems like a very good option because it reduces abdominal fat. Now I’m trying to figure out if there’s an alternative or something else I should do. The other option is the “lemon bottle” thing, but it doesn’t directly reduce the inside fat and the unseen fat, and that can affect your health. Besides looking good, I also want to feel good.

Basically, I will seize out if I don’t take my seizure meds.

Now, I know the first thing people will say is, “Don’t take risks with your health,” but I do controlled risk.

So, I want to get my abs defined. I’m already taking RETA, and there was a risk associated with RETA. Luckily, I realized that and went on a controlled dosage.

(I increased RETA slowly based on my comfort level.)

But apparently, Tesamorelin directly counteracts my Keppra and Lamotrigine usage.

• Drug Interaction Mechanism: Keppra and Tesamorelin act on the same glutamate pathway in the brain but with opposite effects, leading to a counteracting action.

• Tesamorelin’s Effect: Increases brain receptor sensitivity to electrical signals, potentially lowering the seizure threshold.

• Stack Risk with Stimulants: Combining these drugs with stimulants like Adderall further increases the risk by adding another accelerating force to the brain’s electrical activity.

So, I’m basically looking for some advice here, if possible, or some general guidance. I’ve tried to do a lot of research on this topic, but I’ve hit a wall.

One way to look at it, people that do cuts naturally don’t really use tesa or HGH to cut belly fat. Albeit, they may use HGH and insulin for growing. They cut with a calorie deficit (and often stuff like clen or DMP). They use AAS on cuts to retain muscle. It’s really the Reta that does it and HGH is more around the edges.

 

[lessthanhalf]

Thanks Grogu for that table of Abs and fat percentages. I never realised fat percent needed to get that low for abs. 6-12% is just not realistic for the majority of the population to sustain, let alone the ones starting from being obese. The body is going to fight you if you try to get fat levels that low, making you feel bad and tired and dropping energy expenditure to maintain fat stores. The hollywood actors who get to ridiculously ripped states for movies only get there short term.

I find it hard to believe there are any health benefits is getting fat percentage that low , so you get all the adverse effects of drug or peptide therapy without the benefits ( unless you start out obese )

 

[sheilarae74]

Alright, then apart from adipotide, look at all the non-estrogenic/non-aromatizing AAS. I dont know if you wanna go down that route. But Sameday supplements has some excellent products. I love Cloma Pharma in there. Though, in your case, you need to check the ingredient list for the products. So the principle is build more metabolically active tissues aka muscles, increase your TDEE, use fat burners with capsaicinols to enhance thermogenesis. Oh and see if you can get Hungarian sweet paprika powder, use it on everything. It's not the perfect Ch-19 sweet, but it'll do the job...here's the AI.

The CH-19 Sweet pepper supplement uses a specialized non-pungent cultivar of red chili pepper. It is primarily taken to boost metabolism and promote weight management. The extract delivers the thermogenic benefits of regular hot peppers—without causing stomach burning or spikes in heart rate or blood pressure.

How It Works

Active Compounds: The supplement contains capsinoids (specifically capsiate ), which are molecularly similar to capsaicin but lack the fiery burning sensation.

Theriogenesis: Capsinoids activate the sympathetic nervous system, which slightly raises body temperature and increases the rate at which your body burns calories.

Fat Loss: Clinical studies suggest that regular supplementation can aid in suppressing body fat accumulation and slightly reducing resting energy intake.

Safety & Usage

No Burning or Irritation: Unlike standard capsaicin supplements, CH-19 Sweet extracts do not cause oral or gastrointestinal irritation.

Cardiovascular Safety: Research has shown that these supplements do not adversely affect systolic blood pressure or heart rate, making them a safer alternative for those sensitive to spicy foods.

Where to Find It

Capsiate Natura is the most notable trademarked formulation of CH-19 Sweet extract. Historically, this medical-grade supplement has been distributed primarily through physicians and specialized weight management clinics. You can explore authorized distributors or discuss incorporating this into your health regimen by reaching out to wellness centers or checking out health product platforms like the National Institutes of Health or clinical trial data published on ClinicalTrials.gov .

ALSO- FAT BROWNING:

Browning of white adipose tissue (WAT) is the process where white fat cells (which store energy) turn into thermogenic beige/brite fat cells (which burn energy). This phenomenon, triggered by cold exposure, exercise, and diet, increases Uncoupling Protein 1 (UCP1) expression, increasing energy expenditure and potentially counteracting obesity. [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 ]

Key Aspects of WAT Browning

The Process: White fat transforms into "beige" or "brite" (brown-in-white) cells, which have high mitochondrial density and the ability to dissipate energy as heat.

Inducers: Primarily stimulated by sympathetic nervous system activity (norepinephrine acting on $\beta$-3 adrenergic receptors), but also by cold exposure, physical exercise (via myokine irisin), and diet.

Beneficial Effects: It improves metabolism by increasing energy expenditure, reducing fat accumulation, and improving glucose homeostasis.

Drawbacks: Excessive browning has been linked to cachexia (muscle wasting), atherosclerosis, and liver issues in extreme conditions.

How to Induce Browning

Cold Exposure: Regular exposure to cold temperatures (e.g., cold showers, cold baths) increases UCP1 expression in adipose tissues.

Exercise: Regular physical activity induces the release of factors that stimulate this transformation.

Nutritional Factors: Certain bioactive compounds, such as capsaicin (spicy foods),

resveratrol

(grapes/wine),

curcumin

(turmeric), and

green tea

, are known to support the browning process.

Metabolites: Studies suggest lactate can trigger this process, acting as an adaptive

Thanks for leading me down my latest rabbit hole.

 

[bay_area_schizo]

Hold on a second while I get my soapbox.

Seems like every other post is something about how to shortcut something. Just doing the work is always 99% of the answer. If you want abs, get lean. If you want muscle, eat protien and lift the round heavy things. Peps are not magic wish granting elixirs (those are called steroids).

What can peps do? GLPs can make it substantially easier to do what is biologically necessary to lose weight but you still need to be at a calorie deficit, it can feel like weight loss magic but its not. Otherwise, we are generally talking small effects (if any, in some cases) and usually around things like recovery, inflammation, etc. Usually its the kind of thing where if you are doing all the right things to have a good foundation, it may give you an extra couple of percent to your results.

I'm not anti-pep at all (I'm here obviously) but, GLPs aside, I think they are best viewed as optimization tools. Something where I have done the 98% of what I can reasonably do and I'm looking to just get that extra 1-2%.

End of rant.

what about the guy's from 300 Sparta they all were shredded like Jesus so I know they were peppin'

 

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This table is very pessimistic. 15% is six pack shape for average men, if they work out (hypertrophy matters too), unless very unlucky genetic.

I'm referring to DEXA (accurate) numbers, Inbody is very generous but since most people measure BF% at the gym, those ranges could be a good reference for them