中国产Tirz的质量与礼来相比如何？

[keangkong]

As long as you don't sell crypto for fiat currency I don't think you create a taxable event. Like, buy crypto, spend it, -poof- gone. it's when you buy it and then sell it you create a capital gain or loss, and they're MOSTLY interested in your gains. But what do I know, I've only been studying taxes my whole life...

Are you sure? That's not how I read IRS Publication 544. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p544.pdf. That publication states, in part: "Amount realized. The amount you realize from a sale or exchange is the total of all the money you receive plus the FMV (defined below) of all property or services you receive."

 

[Labcat]

Are you sure? That's not how I read IRS Publication 544. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p544.pdf . That publication states, in part: "Amount realized. The amount you realize from a sale or exchange is the total of all the money you receive plus the FMV (defined below) of all property or services you receive."

Thank you for weighing in also! I’m completely ignorant… but is this referring to the monetary value received by a seller (businesman) rather than the consumer? Or are both sides of a transaction taxed?

 

[MsGizmo]

As long as you don't sell crypto for fiat currency I don't think you create a taxable event. Like, buy crypto, spend it, -poof- gone. it's when you buy it and then sell it you create a capital gain or loss, and they're MOSTLY interested in your gains. But what do I know, I've only been studying taxes my whole life...

If you realize a profit when you spend crypto then you ARE creating a taxable event. Just because you aren't caught because the dollar amounts are to low for the IRS to be bothered with doesn't mean that tax laws haven't been broken.

 

[Labcat]

If you realize a profit when you spend crypto then you ARE creating a taxable event. Just because you aren't caught because the dollar amounts are to low for the IRS to be bothered with doesn't mean that tax laws haven't been broken.

Does realizing a profit apply to getting a good deal? Isn’t a simple purchase of a noninvestment object net zero? Like buying groceries, even with crypto. Or am I too naive

 

[deleted.user.18]

Are you sure? That's not how I read IRS Publication 544. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p544.pdf . That publication states, in part: "Amount realized. The amount you realize from a sale or exchange is the total of all the money you receive plus the FMV (defined below) of all property or services you receive."

Nothing in life is sure, except that fear is overpriced. Technically, yes you are converting an asset. Practically, no I don’t treat it like that personally or for my clients and am comfortable defending the position to the IRS. (…and have successfully.) Similarly, what if you fix a friends car and in return they install a window in your house? Do you report the income on the exchange? Technically, yes; practically no. There is of course a point where the action becomes so frequent or so large that it is material and will need to be handled differently. You cannot avoid all taxes by functioning only on the barter system. Do you realize a profit when you buy food and consume it? What if you do so using barter at the farmer’s market? Do you drive 10mph over the speed limit on the freeway? Especially with stable coins and small transactions it is a non-issue.

Like I said, however, I am a licensed tax professional but I’m not YOUR licensed tax professional. Hire one for yourself and they will take your money, advise you the same or differently, and then if you get audited take your money again to defend you; all the while having no actual liability! It’s a great field to work in, almost as good as law. The good ones know what’s a red flag and what’s water under the bridge. I believe I am one of the good ones, as do my clients, but you may have a different opinion.

 

[Labcat]

Nothing in life is sure, except that fear is overpriced. Technically, yes you are converting an asset. Practically, no I don’t treat it like that personally or for my clients and am comfortable defending the position to the IRS. (…and have successfully.) Similarly, what if you fix a friends car and in return they install a window in your house? Do you report the income on the exchange? Technically, yes; practically no. There is of course a point where the action becomes so frequent or so large that it is material and will need to be handled differently. You cannot avoid all taxes by functioning only on the barter system. Do you realize a profit when you buy food and consume it? What if you do so using barter at the farmer’s market? Do you drive 10mph over the speed limit on the freeway? Especially with stable coins and small transactions it is a non-issue.

Like I said, however, I am a licensed tax professional but I’m not YOUR licensed tax professional. Hire one for yourself and they will take your money, advise you the same or differently, and then if you get audited take your money again to defend you; all the while having no actual liability! It’s a great field to work in, almost as good as law. The good ones know what’s a red flag and what’s water under the bridge. I believe I am one of the good ones, as do my clients, but you may have a different opinion.

Wait, so buying groceries counts as realizing a profit?

 

[deleted.user.18]

If you realize a profit when you spend crypto then you ARE creating a taxable event. Just because you aren't caught because the dollar amounts are too low for the IRS to be bothered with doesn't mean that tax laws haven't been broken.

I find it amusing how concerned we all get about breaking the laws in an inconsequential way… some might cry hypocrisy! Have you ever bought and sold a car? Yard sale? Clothes on consignment? It is the same. What about importing illegal, counterfeit, and/or non-approved pharmaceuticals?

 

[deleted.user.18]

Does realizing a profit apply to getting a good deal? Isn’t a simple purchase of a noninvestment object net zero? Like buying groceries, even with crypto. Or am I too naive

No. You are very practical. You probably drive 80 in a 65 zone, never questioned reporting your credit card rewards as income (legit non-taxable) and maybe just maybe even bought some questionable pharmaceuticals on the internet. You’ll live.

 

[Labcat]

I find it amusing how concerned we all get about breaking the laws in an inconsequential way… some might cry hypocrisy! Have you ever bought and sold a car? Yard sale? Clothes on consignment? It is the same. What about importing illegal, counterfeit, and/or non-approved pharmaceuticals?

See, some of us didn’t know that was technically an issue.

Some of us are not touting the pharm purchases, but crypto is on our name

 

[deleted.user.18]

See, some of us didn’t know that was technically an issue.

Some of us are not touting the pharm purchases, but crypto is on our name

It’s all on our names, unless we paid cash. Most of what we are doing is simply flying under the radar, or traveling 10mph over the limit depending on your preferred analogy.

 

[Labcat]

It’s all on our names, unless we paid cash. Most of what we are doing is simply flying under the radar, or traveling 10mph over the limit depending on your preferred analogy.

I think that’s what I mean, garage sale - petty cash. Crypto - name and taxes. Flying under the radar. It seems different somehownin the age of AI. Trying to come to terms with it, not at all opposing what you’re saying

 

[keangkong]

Nothing in life is sure, except that fear is overpriced. Technically, yes you are converting an asset. Practically, no I don’t treat it like that personally or for my clients and am comfortable defending the position to the IRS. (…and have successfully.) Similarly, what if you fix a friends car and in return they install a window in your house? Do you report the income on the exchange? Technically, yes; practically no. There is of course a point where the action becomes so frequent or so large that it is material and will need to be handled differently. You cannot avoid all taxes by functioning only on the barter system. Do you realize a profit when you buy food and consume it? What if you do so using barter at the farmer’s market? Do you drive 10mph over the speed limit on the freeway? Especially with stable coins and small transactions it is a non-issue.

Like I said, however, I am a licensed tax professional but I’m not YOUR licensed tax professional. Hire one for yourself and they will take your money, advise you the same or differently, and then if you get audited take your money again to defend you; all the while having no actual liability! It’s a great field to work in, almost as good as law. The good ones know what’s a red flag and what’s water under the bridge. I believe I am one of the good ones, as do my clients, but you may have a different opinion.

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[noggin]

What separates the gray market tirz from the Lilly Tirz in terms of quality is the risk of a bad product, not the quality of the average product. Unless there's really sufficient anecdotal evidence I struggle to believe the administration method of such a hardy peptide like tirz matters as much as something like HGH where I'm willing to believe the way the companies manufacture it makes it much more effective even when it's the same compound testing at the same levels.

Might have to do with the growth hormone sequence being almost 5 times longer than Tirz. Whereas with GH, breakdown from improper storage might cause off-effects to occur, tirz is much more selective and researchers just need to up the dose to account for broken down peptide. That's my personal thoughts about why gray market vs brand GLPs aren't as different as the HGH market.

 

[Sasquatch]

What separates the gray market tirz from the Lilly Tirz in terms of quality is the risk of a bad product, not the quality of the average product. Unless there's really sufficient anecdotal evidence I struggle to believe the administration method of such a hardy peptide like tirz matters as much as something like HGH where I'm willing to believe the way the companies manufacture it makes it much more effective even when it's the same compound testing at the same levels.

Might have to do with the growth hormone sequence being almost 5 times longer than Tirz. Whereas with GH, breakdown from improper storage might cause off-effects to occur, tirz is much more selective and researchers just need to up the dose to account for broken down peptide. That's my personal thoughts about why gray market vs brand GLPs aren't as different as the HGH market.

So could I boil it down thus?

In a jar of 100 gumballs, instead of being one deadly poisonous gumball, there would be one ineffective gumball? 100 being actually an unknown number.

 

[noggin]

So could I boil it down thus?

In a jar of 100 gumballs, instead of being one deadly poisonous gumball, there would be one ineffective gumball? 100 being actually an unknown number.

I would put it more like there's 1000 gumballs. 100 aren't dosed accurately but close enough, 10 are completely tasteless, and 1 is full of meth

 

[indolent]

1 is full of meth

 

[Sasquatch]

I would put it more like there's 1000 gumballs. 100 aren't dosed accurately but close enough, 10 are completely tasteless, and 1 is full of meth

Are we still talking about Tirz, or HGH?

 

[yml1966 12231]

Is there a huge difference? On the comppunding forums they say that Lilly has better ingredients, equipment and facilities that put Chinese tirz to shame.

And tthat the gray we get is basically junk. I argued that compound tirz is all from China too, and even though there's a green list of precursors compounding pharmacies can buy from, not a single one is in the country.

Over on reddit we also saw lilly tirz pens that were made in and shipped from China. So.... how big a difference really is gray market tirz from lilly tirz when it comes down to actual brass tacks?

I have only done grey tirz. Started June 16/25 and down 72 lbs today (1.8lbs from goal) 60 yr old female. No side effects other than sleep is a little harder BUT, so much easier getting up in the am. Good appetite suppression and I can’t imagine how lily’s could be any better. Typically use t30 and have bought from 3-4 different vendors and have tried one of their vials each time I reconstituted. I am a documenter Document everything and the consistency across the board and the different vendors has been superb. Can not be more pleased with product and price and the freedom

To dose how and when you feel and to stay on whatever dose or protocol for maintenance that you choose.

 

[MsGizmo]

I have only done grey tirz. Started June 16/25 and down 72 lbs today (1.8lbs from goal) 60 yr old female. No side effects other than sleep is a little harder BUT, so much easier getting up in the am. Good appetite suppression and I can’t imagine how lily’s could be any better. Typically use t30 and have bought from 3-4 different vendors and have tried one of their vials each time I reconstituted. I am a documenter Document everything and the consistency across the board and the different vendors has been superb. Can not be more pleased with product and price and the freedom

To dose how and when you feel and to stay on whatever dose or protocol for maintenance that you choose.

IMO the only difference that matters is dosage. In the grey market we are relying on estimations for our doses. For most of us its not that big of a deal if we take a little bit more or a little bit less every week. But truth be told .. how do we know that the compounded versions aren't doing the exact same thing and just not telling people?

 

[Sasquatch]

这太让我惊讶了。EL 的价格是 8 美元/毫克，而 Grey 的价格却只有几美分/毫克。Grey 完全可以添加填充剂和缓冲剂，从而降低成本，但显然他们没有这么做。T20 和 T60 的干粉饼大小差不多？所以，虽然填充剂的剂量可能不同，但这并不会损害任何人的利益。利润率多少是别人的事，但显然，等每个人都分到一杯羹之后，他们就能按吨生产这种东西了？