一段很有意思的采访，采访对象是一组药剂师和配药师，他们谈到了替拉帕肽短缺的问题。采访内容印证了患者的许多说法，但这也是我第一次看到有医疗专业人士公开表达对“研究级”肽类药物的担忧。视频
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药剂师和配药师谈及短缺问题，并对研究用肽表示担忧
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brentm said:
Agree. I think those concerns may be valid for the average user (he mentioned Facebook), but definitely not people on forums like this.
It was a very interesting watch. I mostly decided to share because I've been closely tracking mentions of grey market/research peptides. The more attention this space gets the more likely it is that some kind of action will be taken to curb our access, and we appear to be getting closer to that point every day.
Right now compounders are Lilly's biggest problem, but researchers are a problem too insofar as we represent lost revenue. There is no incentive to buy from Lilly once everyone has met their research objectives. Those dollars will be gone forever.
Glp1judd said:
To be fair the specific person who made that comment (and most of the people on the call) is a pharmacist, so he is likely selling the official stuff from Lilly and dealing with lots of desperate patients. To traditional medical professionals who don't understand what we're doing it must look very scary, especially when it seems like most people are getting their information from Facebook and Twitter.
When it comes to health literacy, the general population is lackluster, so the concern is valid. Part of that is manipulation by corporations, part of it is lack of education, and a big chunk of it is intellectual laziness.
I teach families how to care for their loved ones as a career. Sometimes you have to dumb things waaaaaay down to get people to understand it and I guarantee a lot of them are functionally illiterate. Most people seemed confused about how masks or hand washing worked during the pandemic, so that should tell you something. If those people get a hold of research peptides, there is no way they can be safe about it.
I still don't think we should restrict things though, what it means is that we need to be open about these peptides so we can provide education like people do at this forum.
I teach families how to care for their loved ones as a career. Sometimes you have to dumb things waaaaaay down to get people to understand it and I guarantee a lot of them are functionally illiterate. Most people seemed confused about how masks or hand washing worked during the pandemic, so that should tell you something. If those people get a hold of research peptides, there is no way they can be safe about it.
I still don't think we should restrict things though, what it means is that we need to be open about these peptides so we can provide education like people do at this forum.
I think for many of these practitioners it may not be about the money. Money factors in for some providers, but I have met many physicians and pharmacists who are amazingly selfless and will do anything for their patients no matter whether it makes money or not. For example physicians that work all day 6-7 days a week and then agree to take 24/7 call for their patient who is in Hospice care. I feel selfless as a nurse sometimes but these type of people are absolute saints. So, sometimes not about the money.AndyPanda said:
mostlydamp said:
I completely agree. I think that when this space finally receives some heavy scrutiny it will be much better for us if it looks like there is a serious effort to enforce ethical behavior, safe practices, and informed decision making. There is no entity or interest group to speak for us so we are very vulnerable to public perception.
This is why I’m buying a bunch of bac water to have a hoarde. Until there’s a good enough Chinese bac, it is a weakness we have.noteablequotable said:
My dad was a pharmacist and I’ve always wondered what his take would be on glp1s and specifically on me using research peptides. He was a very caring pharmacist so I’d like to think that he’d approve as long as I was being careful and I really hope that he’s not rolling over in his grave everytime I inject myself 
It always stressed him out when there was a shortage of medication. I remember for a while, my birth control medication was on back order but I was allergic to the generic brand and my dad was on the phone everyday at work trying to get it in. I can only imagine he’d have done the same with his patients on glp1s and tried to find alternatives for them.
It always stressed him out when there was a shortage of medication. I remember for a while, my birth control medication was on back order but I was allergic to the generic brand and my dad was on the phone everyday at work trying to get it in. I can only imagine he’d have done the same with his patients on glp1s and tried to find alternatives for them.
Your Dad sounds like he was a good dude. We could really use some of his caring attitude these days.mopo89 said:My dad was a pharmacist and I’ve always wondered what his take would be on glp1s and specifically on me using research peptides. He was a very caring pharmacist so I’d like to think that he’d approve as long as I was being careful and I really hope that he’s not rolling over in his grave everytime I inject myself
It always stressed him out when there was a shortage of medication. I remember for a while, my birth control medication was on back order but I was allergic to the generic brand and my dad was on the phone everyday at work trying to get it in. I can only imagine he’d have done the same with his patients on glp1s and tried to find alternatives for them.
Thanks so much for posting this!
For many this isn't a cottage industry, it's an estate industry. Years ago my partner was a server at a high end steak house in a convention hotel and was always blown away at the crazy good tips during the annual tanning salon owner's convention... They had money to blow! I get those vibes from the local health & weight loss spas, sending you home with loaded syringes and what not.
Later in the video a speaker makes the distinction between the prescriber and pharmacy source. Basically saying the pharmacy is there to fulfill the orders from the prescriber which seems obvious. I wonder what his thoughts would be on the prescriber being the pharmacy? (or owning, or a vested interest). Whether for greed or insulation these telehealth companies that do both might be an example Lilly will use to bring down all the good intentions of those who participated in this meeting.
For many this isn't a cottage industry, it's an estate industry. Years ago my partner was a server at a high end steak house in a convention hotel and was always blown away at the crazy good tips during the annual tanning salon owner's convention... They had money to blow! I get those vibes from the local health & weight loss spas, sending you home with loaded syringes and what not.
Later in the video a speaker makes the distinction between the prescriber and pharmacy source. Basically saying the pharmacy is there to fulfill the orders from the prescriber which seems obvious. I wonder what his thoughts would be on the prescriber being the pharmacy? (or owning, or a vested interest). Whether for greed or insulation these telehealth companies that do both might be an example Lilly will use to bring down all the good intentions of those who participated in this meeting.
This whole experience has really made upset me with the US healthcare system (its not the only thing). Eli saying that compounded meds are bad while overcharging us is insane. The only reason I am moving to researching these chemicals is because of their pricing.
Semaglutide / mo
US: 936
Canada: 147
UK: 93
Why is it ten times more expensive here? Because it can be. I have held for a while now that the US is subsidizing these other countries medical costs because we do not negotiate like other countries. UK wants a lower price? Fine we will up the price in the US. They should not able to charge the US more than any G7 country.
In general a US patient cannot get these drugs through insurance unless they are diabetic. If you're pre-diabetic your're going to have to wait. If your morbidly obese but not diabetic, sorry, eat more sugar.
These drugs should be thought of as preventive care and covered as such.
Semaglutide / mo
US: 936
Canada: 147
UK: 93
Why is it ten times more expensive here? Because it can be. I have held for a while now that the US is subsidizing these other countries medical costs because we do not negotiate like other countries. UK wants a lower price? Fine we will up the price in the US. They should not able to charge the US more than any G7 country.
In general a US patient cannot get these drugs through insurance unless they are diabetic. If you're pre-diabetic your're going to have to wait. If your morbidly obese but not diabetic, sorry, eat more sugar.
These drugs should be thought of as preventive care and covered as such.
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