Why is group testing a baron wasteland?

[Airborne Daddy]

You're missing that what Jeep send to Jano is not necessarily what Jeep sends to customers.

You're missing that Jeep might be discarding any test results that have turned out to be unfavorable.

You're missing that second-party testing has nearly no value whatsoever, at least for the end-customer. Hopefully a vendor uses them for keeping their suppliers honest and competent.

Happens constantly on Meso. Vendor test cyp 250 comes in at 252mg..... user jano test says 213mg.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

He arranged it so you can't say the word b e e without it being changed to Brutus thE Enforcer.... I posted about a glutathione injection stinging like a b e e for 20 seconds and it tags Brutus lol.

Ironically, I just turned that off earlier today while adding some new twists to the swear filter...

 

[Airborne Daddy]

I did think so! Bloody newbies!

I am just background scrolling at the moment, but trying to find somebody UK based who knows decent sources/ accepts other payments other than crypto!

I shall be around for much longer, eager to get started, but I definitely need to brush up first.

You'll be fine. Give it a little bit... you'll find sources and fellow citizens to hook you up. They gotta make sure your not a glp1 agent.

 

[Airborne Daddy]

Ironically, I just turned that off earlier today while adding some new twists to the swear filter...

I thought it was hilarious. At first I was puzzled, then realized it was a tribute or an inside joke between you two....

 

[Peptidedudez]

What youre missing is that a vendor has an incentive for the test to be good. If they have a bad test they won’t release it, therefore you should only expect good vendor tests. They can also cherry pick which vials they send, or say a test is from one batch when it is in fact from another. Vendor tests are basically useless.

This. Gold standard is for you the individual send in a lab test. You know what you send, which lab you send to and results get sent straight to you. No detours, scams or shady process. A bit pricey yes.

 

[littledragon25]

Gettem Mama....when do we add a few vendors? Gotta keepem straight...

Testing peps from 5 vendors YD, ZJ, Jeep, HXNet, and LN right now. Ever expanding! And you get to be one of the special few who was involved in our first ever tests

 

[littledragon25]

I did think so! Bloody newbies!

I am just background scrolling at the moment, but trying to find somebody UK based who knows decent sources/ accepts other payments other than crypto!

I shall be around for much longer, eager to get started, but I definitely need to brush up first.

I am UK based. Plenty of us here and in LS so keep doing what you're doing and engaging and you will find we are all pretty helpful!

Unfortunately, you're not likely to find a vendor who takes other payments anymore. Those halcyon days are behind us now!

 

[Myfathersbastard]

That's because you are brand new to the forum and haven't yet been around long enough to earn DM privileges. As a general rule, that's also a good indicator that you still have some learning to do before jumping into the deep end of group buying and testing.

Hang around and do lots of reading and engaging on here. DM privileges will open up soon and it's a sign to me someone has done the minimum engagement to be a good candidate for LS membership.

That seams reasonable. Seems like there’s a lot that goes into it behind the scenes. So probably nice or have some form of bare minimum requirement to look on before bothering with new people.

Your comments were informative and well thought out. I’ll keep an eye out for more of your posts.

Cheers.

 

[Phoenix_Vixen]

You'll be fine. Give it a little bit... you'll find sources and fellow citizens to hook you up. They gotta make sure your not a glp1 agent.

Cheers! Hopefully, because I refuse to pay what pharmacies are asking! I want to improve my health, not line their pockets.

 

[Phoenix_Vixen]

I am UK based. Plenty of us here and in LS so keep doing what you're doing and engaging and you will find we are all pretty helpful!

Unfortunately, you're not likely to find a vendor who takes other payments anymore. Those halcyon days are behind us now!

Thanks, and yeah - my partner has crypto so I might have to hit them up about it

 

[Goonwise]

I have been mainly sending one vial to Janoshik individually to test from the batch I receive. Its been adding up as I have started doing NAD+, SS31 and Mots C protocol recently. I just became aware of group testing after seeing this post lol.

 

[Estarossa19]

I have been mainly sending one vial to Janoshik individually to test from the batch I receive. Its been adding up as I have started doing NAD+, SS31 and Mots C protocol recently. I just became aware of group testing after seeing this post lol.

I'm thinking of doing this too when I eventually dive in and get my first purchase. How's the process for sending it over to Jano?

 

[desinr-gal]

Barren.

There's a big chasm between how many buyers view the buy/test process, and how it works in reality.

We go in thinking we want to buy what's already been third-party tested and we know the results.

In reality, all that matters (and it's no guarantee of consistency anyway) is what is from the same batch (usually a run of "canning," meaning mixing the API raw material with fillers, adding colored caps, and lyophilizing them).

By the time something's been third-party tested, the vendor is almost always shipping the next batch (or later); additionally, the salesperson is not with the inventory and has no control over which batch ships (although they'll happily lie to you about it).

Add to this the fact that most vendors won't use meaningful batch numbers or dates, won't change cap colors with each batch, will print out small runs of kit labels with recent dates, regardless of the batch, etc. etc. etc. and it's a very frustrating scenario. But still generally worth relying on third-party testing rather than jabbing blind.

Where third-party testing really matters is to get a sense of the vendor overall. There have been some who sold zero-peptide vials...how did they handle those post-sales? There have been some who usually overfill by a significant margin ... do you want to use your kit and adjust based on "feelz" if it might be 30% overfilled?

There are third-party testing communities which you should join and support financially (even if you haven't bought the specific product being tested). The easiest one to start with is Flying Purple Pep Guild ... I'm not sure if link-posting in the Public Square sub-forum is allowed.

please DM me with link, I had a tab but lost it

 

[Blindman]

Barren.

There's a big chasm between how many buyers view the buy/test process, and how it works in reality.

We go in thinking we want to buy what's already been third-party tested and we know the results.

In reality, all that matters (and it's no guarantee of consistency anyway) is what is from the same batch (usually a run of "canning," meaning mixing the API raw material with fillers, adding colored caps, and lyophilizing them).

By the time something's been third-party tested, the vendor is almost always shipping the next batch (or later); additionally, the salesperson is not with the inventory and has no control over which batch ships (although they'll happily lie to you about it).

Add to this the fact that most vendors won't use meaningful batch numbers or dates, won't change cap colors with each batch, will print out small runs of kit labels with recent dates, regardless of the batch, etc. etc. etc. and it's a very frustrating scenario. But still generally worth relying on third-party testing rather than jabbing blind.

Where third-party testing really matters is to get a sense of the vendor overall. There have been some who sold zero-peptide vials...how did they handle those post-sales? There have been some who usually overfill by a significant margin ... do you want to use your kit and adjust based on "feelz" if it might be 30% overfilled?

There are third-party testing communities which you should join and support financially (even if you haven't bought the specific product being tested). The easiest one to start with is Flying Purple Pep Guild ... I'm not sure if link-posting in the Public Square sub-forum is allowed.

Okay thanks. I kinda was thinking the same from the info ive gathered. No guarantees but if a vendor consistently passes test that is useful knowledge in decision making.

Barren, lol. I didnt really even consider which word it was.

Anyways im looking for a test group but forums are so hard to navigate and just find information by category. The one you mentioned is it easy to find?

Id like to join and just contribute money to a well respected group. I was under the impression you wouldnt be let in any group until your well known for some reason. Either is fine to me

LS Testing currently has 796 members and is growing every day. We have received results on 15 tests since October 23rd and have 22 in recruitment or awaiting results as of this moment. We started as 2 people who wanted to test our own NAD+ from Jeep. Not all our results are public as they belong to our members. Those that have been released are listed here for the community's benefit. We also do not post to recruit for tests of vendors that are not forum sponsors, out of respect for Zip and the forum, though these tests are happening more and more.

As a platform, we were the first given access to the area of the forum as we have proven to Zip that we are running strictly on a non-profit basis for the good of the community, which isn't something all GBOs and group test organisers do.

Many group tests are done as a result of group buys so you'll find them there rather than posting on forums - I personally have an issue with the ones where they charge 5-10% 'fees' to all participants and then claim they're in it for community safety while pocketing a few grand. Summer and I were determined to never be that - we want to keep group testing costs at their lowest whilst testing a broad range of things. We have set up deals with Janoshik and Liquilabs to bring testing prices down, and credit deals from a variety of vendors to support group testing where results are shared after the fact with the vendors. All this means people can participate without being ripped off by some GBP who wants to make a pay cheque out of their members.

It's been a lot of fun, a lot of stress, and a lot of learning for us. Anyone who wishes to join the community and get involved in testing is welcome to send me a DM.

i dont think i have privileges to send dm yet but i seen what you guys had in the group testing section of the forum. I. Fact thats what made me wonder why it was so limited.

I do understand not posting everything and was wanting to join something but then i thought i remembered something about needing to be well known and get invited.

I havnt even made a purchase strictly because i havnt sifted through all the good and bad and thought that group testing section would be a good place to start. If i needed to pay to help the group, the way i see it is i pay for insurance to drive.

Ive seen the group buys but i don’t understand how they function and the benefits.

 

[Goonwise]

I'm thinking of doing this too when I eventually dive in and get my first purchase. How's the process for sending it over to Jano?

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I followed these to a dot.

 

[ThatOneLady]

LS Testing currently has 796 members and is growing every day. We have received results on 15 tests since October 23rd and have 22 in recruitment or awaiting results as of this moment. We started as 2 people who wanted to test our own NAD+ from Jeep. Not all our results are public as they belong to our members. Those that have been released are listed here for the community's benefit. We also do not post to recruit for tests of vendors that are not forum sponsors, out of respect for Zip and the forum, though these tests are happening more and more.

As a platform, we were the first given access to the area of the forum as we have proven to Zip that we are running strictly on a non-profit basis for the good of the community, which isn't something all GBOs and group test organisers do.

Many group tests are done as a result of group buys so you'll find them there rather than posting on forums - I personally have an issue with the ones where they charge 5-10% 'fees' to all participants and then claim they're in it for community safety while pocketing a few grand. Summer and I were determined to never be that - we want to keep group testing costs at their lowest whilst testing a broad range of things. We have set up deals with Janoshik and Liquilabs to bring testing prices down, and credit deals from a variety of vendors to support group testing where results are shared after the fact with the vendors. All this means people can participate without being ripped off by some GBP who wants to make a pay cheque out of their members.

It's been a lot of fun, a lot of stress, and a lot of learning for us. Anyone who wishes to join the community and get involved in testing is welcome to send me a DM.

Once I’ve absorbed enough information to feel ready to make a purchase, I will definitely be messaging you. I’m interested in group testing.

 

[Crumplestiltskin]

I'm interested in group testing. I have a bunch of Amino Lair vials that I'd donate.

 

[mdapsey]

Great question and great conversations, I am also new so not going head first into that arena, but could see it happening down the road.

 

[Grogu]

I'm interested in group testing. I have a bunch of Amino Lair vials that I'd donate.

Try Flying Purple Pep Guild on TG

Flying Purple Pep Guild

Recruiting server for independent end-user group tests https://t.me/+wLpJL2bMgkNhMTJh

t.me

StG had a testing server on Discord, but it was nuked a few weeks ago.

StG (the resurected channel) is still on TG. You might be able to find some similarly interested folks there. If you need instructions on how to get to StG on TG, I can assist by DM. Or follow the breadcrumbs on the bottom of StG's website.

 

[Retazempic]

Barren.

There's a big chasm between how many buyers view the buy/test process, and how it works in reality.

We go in thinking we want to buy what's already been third-party tested and we know the results.

In reality, all that matters (and it's no guarantee of consistency anyway) is what is from the same batch (usually a run of "canning," meaning mixing the API raw material with fillers, adding colored caps, and lyophilizing them).

By the time something's been third-party tested, the vendor is almost always shipping the next batch (or later); additionally, the salesperson is not with the inventory and has no control over which batch ships (although they'll happily lie to you about it).

Add to this the fact that most vendors won't use meaningful batch numbers or dates, won't change cap colors with each batch, will print out small runs of kit labels with recent dates, regardless of the batch, etc. etc. etc. and it's a very frustrating scenario. But still generally worth relying on third-party testing rather than jabbing blind.

Where third-party testing really matters is to get a sense of the vendor overall. There have been some who sold zero-peptide vials...how did they handle those post-sales? There have been some who usually overfill by a significant margin ... do you want to use your kit and adjust based on "feelz" if it might be 30% overfilled?

There are third-party testing communities which you should join and support financially (even if you haven't bought the specific product being tested). The easiest one to start with is Flying Purple Pep Guild ... I'm not sure if link-posting in the Public Square sub-forum is allowed.

Some ppl might say LS Testing is way, way cooler than FPPG