Well, fuck peptide test

[brisket]

I do t get how it can even be profitable to sell something that needs 20 hours of machine time to 3d print for $30

for a vial box? Took an hour and 8 minutes to print the two part one I designed to hold 25 vials, 85cents for filament. It would be faster and potentially cheaper with some tool path optimization. Now lol where can one sell them for $30? - jesting, I'm not selling them I just needed one.

>$20hr profit per printer is certainly profitable.

 

[noteablequotable]

It’s kinda like what I tell my spouse at Costco. At some point it’s not worth the space to store some things bought in bulk.

True but in this case the filters are incredibly small. 50 of them fit in a 7 inch box. I bought mine of AliExpress

 

[brisket]

I always wondered what the margin profile looked like for these 3d printing businesses. When you factor in the cost of materials, wear and tear/maintenance on the printer plus the time to process/ship the order. On a $40 box (that probably takes a day to print) what they making $5?

Gosh you are way off. With shipping, I pay under $900usd for 100kg of my preferred ABS filament. My high speed printers run me about $1200 usd to build, they take me about 20 hours to build. Belts are fairly cheap, so is railing grease. As long as you have them tuned well, you can run them fast.

A 25 vial box will use about an hour of time and a $1 of material if well designed and optimized.

Seriously where are people paying this much? I don't sell boxes but if this is the going rate, I need to switch my customer base.

 

[MiniatureSnail]

Nope!

He has an exclusive contract with Tisch scientific to sell 4mm filters. No one else is legally allowed to sell them. This was proven on Peppys, receipts were shown. The thread isn't hard to find.

And 4mm filters are damn near impossible to find. A few months ago, I started the thread below:

Syringe Filter Recommendations

Sep 5, 2024

Do folks have recommendations on where to buy syringe filters? I’m looking for sterile filters so .22 um or less.

I’ve noticed a lot of people don’t like Amazon syringes and BAC water. Do people have similar hang ups with syringe filters from Amazon? Obviously if there are concerns about the sterilization of the filters on Amazon that would defeat the purpose.

Unfortunately I don’t see a lot of sterile filters available on the reputable medical supply companies people recommended for syringes. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Chizikitide-1977

Replies: 24

Forum: Public Square

See posts from Dustycotton for Tisch 4mm filters direct from the manufacturer. This was literally the ONLY place to buy them anyone in the community knew of. And the link now goes dead.

And this also is a major conflict of interest with his filtering impact studies. His conclusions funnel the community into a product that is near impossible to find That he sells. Furthermore his conclusions from that study have been refuted. Many have reported much lower losses from 13mm filters.

The amount of money he is making off them is irrelevant. Someone in a scientific lab needs to be be objective and free from commercial influences. The whole episode should at least give people pause on that front. Alot of people are justifiably concerned with his actions, and I think it is wildly unfair to dismiss these concerns as drama stirring.

I'm late to this discussion but I truly do not understand why this bothers people so much. I had this same discussion with someone else on discord like a month ago.

Why aren't you mad at Tisch? PT didn't blackmail them into exclusive rights, he just asked and Tisch said "okay".

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[MiniatureSnail]

It's noteworthy that this mass email was from their marketing activities, not from the day-to-day operations. Like wtf are these sleazy assholes constantly marketing for? Just be a lab and stop with the used car sales crap. There is no reason for a lab to be mass emailing anybody. Trustpointe really needs to just break free from peptest (the marketing guy who locked them into an exclusive contract just like he did with the filter wholesaler) and let the work stand on its own.

TP just doesn't deal with individuals, there are a direct to buyer/wholesaler lab only. That's why there are vendor tests from Trust Pointe that look different than 3rd party tests through Pep Test.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Fuck that. Fucking hate people who do that type of shit.

I am thinking it wasn't peptide test that "did" it, it was Trust Pointe.

They have a lab and work with commercial clients that spend more than $300 in each transaction and don't ask the same questions over, and over and over. Dealing with individual consumers and relatively small transactions is very different than working with commercial accounts.

They hire or contract with Peptide Test to handle all of our bullshit. Peptide test collects payments coordiantes shipments answers all of the questions etc.

If you have ever ordered a test through PT they are very clear that if you are a commercial client or a reseller they will refer you to work directly with TP.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

I am thinking it wasn't peptide test that "did" it, it was Trust Pointe.

They have a lab and work with commercial clients that spend more than $300 in each transaction and don't ask the same questions over, and over and over. Dealing with individual consumers and relatively small transactions is very different than working with commercial accounts.

They hire or contract with Peptide Test to handle all of our bullshit. Peptide test collects payments coordiantes shipments answers all of the questions etc.

If you have ever ordered a test through PT they are very clear that if you are a commercial client or a reseller they will refer you to work directly with TP.

They negotiated to prevent the big discord peptide testing service, which is very professional and does a much greater volume than probably any of their “commercial” clients, from working directly with the lab. Super duper shady, obvious cash grab, bad for the community they like to pretend they’re in business to help.

 

[Peevee]

Gosh you are way off. With shipping, I pay under $900usd for 100kg of my preferred ABS filament. My high speed printers run me about $1200 usd to build, they take me about 20 hours to build. Belts are fairly cheap, so is railing grease. As long as you have them tuned well, you can run them fast.

A 25 vial box will use about an hour of time and a $1 of material if well designed and optimized.

Seriously where are people paying this much? I don't sell boxes but if this is the going rate, I need to switch my customer base.

You could probably send the design to china and get thousands of them injection molded for pennies each

There’s no way I’d run my Prusa that fast and expect the quality I would want for something I sold.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Gosh you are way off. With shipping, I pay under $900usd for 100kg of my preferred ABS filament. My high speed printers run me about $1200 usd to build, they take me about 20 hours to build. Belts are fairly cheap, so is railing grease. As long as you have them tuned well, you can run them fast.

A 25 vial box will use about an hour of time and a $1 of material if well designed and optimized.

Seriously where are people paying this much? I don't sell boxes but if this is the going rate, I need to switch my customer base.

You’re talking about some idealized situation, printing a single box design and color over and over. The peptide box market doesn’t want that. People want to pick colors and designs, which means you don’t get to just buy 100 kilos of whatever is cheap. If you want a following you also need to do artwork on the lids which is time consuming and multicolor artwork prints are prone to defects. I had an inventory of hundreds of spools in various colors. And if you care at all about quality you’re going to have a lot of rejects, which cost money. Not to mention time spent marketing, fulfilling orders, answering questions, planning the sequence of your printing efficiently, fixing the printer when things get messed up, on and on. It was a shitload of work.

I never worked out my hourly pay but i bet it was like $15-20. I was putting on prints first thing when I got up in the morning and swapping them all day long. Assembling them, finishing them (removing brims), packing them, etc etc. It is far from set it and forget it.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Gosh you are way off. With shipping, I pay under $900usd for 100kg of my preferred ABS filament. My high speed printers run me about $1200 usd to build, they take me about 20 hours to build. Belts are fairly cheap, so is railing grease. As long as you have them tuned well, you can run them fast.

A 25 vial box will use about an hour of time and a $1 of material if well designed and optimized.

Seriously where are people paying this much? I don't sell boxes but if this is the going rate, I need to switch my customer base.

Thanks, now I understand how they make money. I thought the printers were slower than that. Most sellers are on Etsy and there are a few on Discord.

 

[zpped]

True but in this case the filters are incredibly small. 50 of them fit in a 7 inch box. I bought mine of AliExpress

Which is why you got them for 50c. The tisch filters 2-3x that much.

also

 

[noteablequotable]

Which is why you got them for 50c. The tisch filters 2-3x that much.

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You're not lying about those filters.

What is this system that will never allow the issue to happen again??? Why do people always leave out these key details?

 

[normal]

I've never filtered anything or sent anything for testing lmao

 

[noteablequotable]

I've never filtered anything or sent anything for testing lmao

Testing is important for safety, but it's also important to make sure you're not being scammed. I really wish we had more domestic testing options

 

[hexagonal]

What is this system that will never allow the issue to happen again??? Why do people always leave out these key details?

Probably just moving to mailing list software instead of manually putting emails in the CC/BCC list.

I'm big on understanding mechanisms but I was honestly surprised to see this happen since basically every mailing list service or self-hosted software wouldn't allow for this to happen to begin with. They probably moved over to using Mailchimp or something.

 

[chmuse]

I've never filtered anything or sent anything for testing lmao

Everything I've bought other than my initial Skye has coa's made public, anyway. I wish there was a way to throw in some money on testing without having to worry I might be randomly selected to mail a vial- I have ADHD, I'm never going to remember to bring a vial to the post office. But I'd be willing to help pay for the tests.

I have zero interest in filtering. Seems like a waste, it's a newer concern anyway and I have yet to hear of someone having an issue because they didn't.

 

[normal]

Testing is important for safety, but it's also important to make sure you're not being scammed. I really wish we had more domestic testing options

Oh I know haha definitely not saying it's the smartest/best approach but I'm not really stressing it tbh

It's not even a money thing, the price for a kit+testing makes perfect sense to do it but......lol idk yolo

We jump on these vendors for a mistake here and there which is great honestly because it's basically the only recourse/solution we have to make it public. No complaints about that. But with that being said, over the past yearish I've been researching/and then ordering from overseas, the amount of actual incidents I've seen reported from the reputable main vendors vs. the absolute massive volume their pumping out, idk like I said I'm not really stressing. I'm also not ordering from ABCXYZHEHE that just popped up yesterday with 50% cheaper prices than everyone else.

I trust the Chinese vendors I use more than any of those shady compounding pharmacies operating domestically. And my sources have been independently tested 1000000x more than any of those places too by the community already. I understand every batch is different ofc but again, yolo lmao

 

[normal]

Everything I've bought other than my initial Skye has coa's made public, anyway. I wish there was a way to throw in some money on testing without having to worry I might be randomly selected to mail a vial- I have ADHD, I'm never going to remember to bring a vial to the post office. But I'd be willing to help pay for the tests.

I have zero interest in filtering. Seems like a waste, it's a newer concern anyway and I have yet to hear of someone having an issue because they didn't.

Vendor coas are worthless imo - check some of the testing servers though, I think you'll find one or two with some testing setups that are more like what you're looking for.

 

[chmuse]

Vendor coas are worthless imo - check some of the testing servers though, I think you'll find one or two with some testing setups that are more like what you're looking for.

Sorry, that's what I meant- they get tested by other people buying and then everyone makes the results public anyway.

I won't use discord for peps so my main doesn't get banned (I use it for a few niche hobby updates and I can't be assed to figure out how to set up a second one on my phone.) I do have the peppy's app (revolt) on my phone and I'm part of the Nexa testing tg.

 

[normal]

Sorry, that's what I meant- they get tested by other people buying and then everyone makes the results public anyway.

I won't use discord for peps so my main doesn't get banned (I use it for a few niche hobby updates and I can't be assed to figure out how to set up a second one on my phone.) I do have the peppy's app (revolt) on my phone and I'm part of the Nexa testing tg.

Oh I didn't even read your username, yeah you already know what's up haha

I was injecting roids I got from a random email address mailed from Maldova and paid with a western union money wire in like 2010 lmfao. This glp1 peptide stuff is basically a trip to the doctors office with a legit script compared to the wild west back in the day