The “10x Stronger” Epitalon Myth — Let’s Clear This Up

[Fordhayes]

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[CNCCurrency]

If they aren't equivalent, and Epitalon is 10x, then the 1 mg dosage is still valid and effective. That's the great thing about studies, they allow for different interpretations. I wouldn't say don't take 10 mg, just that you don't need to in order to enjoy the benefits. Good luck on your research wit

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[5byfive]

My tone was exactly as intended. You’re right I’m a random voice on the internet with zero credibility. But if my arrogance inspired even one person to actually research this instead of just repeating what they read on a forum, then it did its job.

If that tone got one person to do anything except roll their eyes I'd be surprised.

 

[cheaperseeker]

I'm not seeing the "tone" people are saying the OP had. I only noticed confidence in what they read and interpreted from the studies. Perhaps there were some specific words or phrases that someone was triggered by, but I didn't find the post offensive.

Honestly, having just said yesterday that I am going to try the lower dose, I was inspired to have a look at the studies. It actually reminded me that I already did look at one of the studies a while back and came to my own conclusion that the larger dose is closer to what they used. I had forgotten, and let the internet and ai sway me.

I have to say, I was disappointed by how petty the responses to the OP were, with memes and GIFs, rather than just debating in a civil way.

 

[Dos-Dox]

I'm not seeing the "tone" people are saying the OP had. I only noticed confidence in what they read and interpreted from the studies. Perhaps there were some specific words or phrases that someone was triggered by, but I didn't find the post offensive.

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I have to say, I was disappointed by how petty the responses to the OP were, with memes and GIFs, rather than just debating in a civil way.

The OP wanted attention and I truly believe he thrives on the negative attention just as much as any positive attention. He intentionally worded his post the way he did to illicit responses, and he got them.

He is the only one speaking in (over-confident) absolutes here, especially for a compound he’s never personally utilized. Most of us on the other thread stated how we chose our protocols, but didn’t state anyone else was wrong for how they went about choosing theirs. The OP, however, painted everyone else with a broad brush and insinuated that anyone who doesn’t dose at 10 mg has never bothered to do any of their own research and is simply relying on Reddit threads for advice, which I think you’ll agree that most who are on THIS site would be insulted by. He even had a condescending tone with Chili with the “hey, you read the research,” which give a very “Good boooooooooy” impression.

Yes, tone and intent can be hard to always interpret in written text, but if the OP wants more positive response in the future, he should take the feedback that this particular tone wasn’t received especially positively by the broader audience so he can make adjustments going forward. However, I don’t believe that’s the case with him and stand by the belief that he was intentionally brash, arrogant, and condescending because he wanted to illicit strong responses (both positive and negative). Time will tell as he continues to post on the forum about which case is true.

 

[cheaperseeker]

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The OP wanted attention and I truly believe he thrives on the negative attention just as much as any positive attention. He intentionally worded his post the way he did to illicit responses, and he got them.

He is the only one speaking in (over-confident) absolutes here, especially for a compound he’s never personally utilized. Most of us on the other thread stated how we chose our protocols, but didn’t state anyone else was wrong for how they went about choosing theirs. The OP, however, painted everyone else with a broad brush and insinuated that anyone who doesn’t dose at 10 mg has never bothered to do any of their own research and is simply relying on Reddit threads for advice, which I think you’ll agree that most who are on THIS site would be insulted by. He even had a condescending tone with Chili with the “hey, you read the research,” which give a very “Good boooooooooy” impression.

Yes, tone and intent can be hard to always interpret in written text, but if the OP wants more positive response in the future, he should take the feedback that this particular tone wasn’t received especially positively by the broader audience so he can make adjustments going forward. However, I don’t believe that’s the case with him and stand by the belief that he was intentionally brash, arrogant, and condescending because he wanted to illicit strong responses (both positive and negative). Time will tell as he continues to post on the forum about which case is true.

Thank you for explaining.

It's difficult to know anybody's intentions, even when speaking to them in person. There have been a lot of times that people think I am being rude or brash when I am consciously trying to show kindness and understanding. I think your explanation above will be more productive than some of the previous posts

 

[randompersonrandom]

don't mind me, just bookmarking in case this thread becomes a new signature

 

[ftv10hb]

i don’t think we can use the existence of a market to contradict a dosing protocol; the vendors are smart enough to sell us anything we are stupid enough to pay for, they could care less about our reasons lol. The different mg vials available just reflects the fact that there are people on either side who want to buy one or the other for whatever reason they want it. You can buy SLU-PP-332 capsules everywhere, even on Amazon, despite the researchers behind it themselves saying it has 0% oral bioavailability. People will sell what people will buy lol.

 

[Fordhayes]

If that tone got one person to do anything except roll their eyes I'd be surprised.

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[anhydrous]

Thanks for clearing it up

 

[PAPoots]

don't mind me, just bookmarking in case this thread becomes a new signature

So is JEEP in the penalty box?

I have yet to use the same vendor twice. Usually because I want one delivery that meets the free shipping target and my luck on finding a vendor with everything in stock is low.

Back to the OP. I did the 5mg for 20 days protocol. If I was overdosing, then I'm seriously disappointed. I got zero effects. I wasn't really expecting any because my telomere ruler is broke. But I think of it as a supplement, like a vitamin and hope I'm getting a benefit in the long run.

 

[tubby]

I think both @Fordhayes and @Chili777 made good points in this thread.

Thanks for sharing your position OP and thanks for unpacking critical information regarding the research Chili. A lot of reflexive people got butthurt for whatever reason, but in the end the matter was better flushed out than it had been before.

 

[randompersonrandom]

So is JEEP in the penalty box?

I have yet to use the same vendor twice. Usually because I want one delivery that meets the free shipping target and my luck on finding a vendor with everything in stock is low.

Back to the OP. I did the 5mg for 20 days protocol. If I was overdosing, then I'm seriously disappointed. I got zero effects. I wasn't really expecting any because my telomere ruler is broke. But I think of it as a supplement, like a vitamin and hope I'm getting a benefit in the long run.

I came SO late to that story, and by the time I got there it was rockin and rollin!

 

[Neurogroot]

Not to add more to this back and forth… I truly don’t know and can’t find any information on it… how does the Epitalon Amylate version come into play? Does it make it more potent? Just increases the half life to make it more effective? Both? Neither? Just saw this product recently and wondered if it’s a real upgrade or marketing.

 

[Chili777]

Not to add more to this back and forth… I truly don’t know and can’t find any information on it… how does the Epitalon Amylate version come into play? Does it make it more potent? Just increases the half life to make it more effective? Both? Neither? Just saw this product recently and wondered if it’s a real upgrade or marketing.

It's real and it's both. N-Acetyl Epitalon Amidate has an extended half life and resists enzymatic breakdown. It shows higher stability which may allow it to target apoptotic cells more effectively. I have some on order, if it ever gets here.

The vast majority of the NA- peptides are dosed in the same amount as the standard versions, they just last longer. They can also be used the same way, via IN or SQ. I think NA Epitalon would be great as an IN preparation and that's what I'm going to do. Someday.

 

[Neurogroot]

It's real and it's both. N-Acetyl Epitalon Amidate has an extended half life and resists enzymatic breakdown. It shows higher stability which may allow it to target apoptotic cells more effectively. I have some on order, if it ever gets here.

The vast majority of the NA- peptides are dosed in the same amount as the standard versions, they just last longer. They can also be used the same way, via IN or SQ. I think NA Epitalon would be great as an IN preparation and that's what I'm going to do. Someday.

This was a straightforward and easy to follow answer. I appreciate it! I do enjoy many of your other posts too, so thank you for just being an overall great community member!

 

[Chili777]

This was a straightforward and easy to follow answer. I appreciate it! I do enjoy many of your other posts too, so thank you for just being an overall great community member!

My pleasure and thank you.

 

[Fordhayes]

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The OP wanted attention and I truly believe he thrives on the negative attention just as much as any positive attention. He intentionally worded his post the way he did to illicit responses, and he got them.

He is the only one speaking in (over-confident) absolutes here, especially for a compound he’s never personally utilized. Most of us on the other thread stated how we chose our protocols, but didn’t state anyone else was wrong for how they went about choosing theirs. The OP, however, painted everyone else with a broad brush and insinuated that anyone who doesn’t dose at 10 mg has never bothered to do any of their own research and is simply relying on Reddit threads for advice, which I think you’ll agree that most who are on THIS site would be insulted by. He even had a condescending tone with Chili with the “hey, you read the research,” which give a very “Good boooooooooy” impression.

Yes, tone and intent can be hard to always interpret in written text, but if the OP wants more positive response in the future, he should take the feedback that this particular tone wasn’t received especially positively by the broader audience so he can make adjustments going forward. However, I don’t believe that’s the case with him and stand by the belief that he was intentionally brash, arrogant, and condescending because he wanted to illicit strong responses (both positive and negative). Time will tell as he continues to post on the forum about which case is true.

Overconfident? Sure. But it’s hard not to be when the counterarguments don’t hold up. You’re right that I was intentionally provocative, that was the point. Sorry your feelings got hurt.

 

[Fordhayes]

I think both @Fordhayes and @Chili777 made good points in this thread.

Thanks for sharing your position OP and thanks for unpacking critical information regarding the research Chili. A lot of reflexive people got butthurt for whatever reason, but in the end the matter was better flushed out than it had been before.

Appreciate that. At the end of the day, a little friction produced a better conversation than a echo chamber would have. That’s the whole point.

 

[Fordhayes]

If that tone got one person to do anything except roll their eyes I'd be surprised.

A month on the forum and already racking up likes on a nothing comment. Quantity over quality apparently. Must be liking everything in sight.