Test, HGH, Var cycle

[GTS97]

Meso is garbo. Find a better forum. I’m not allowed to say it but just search for other forums of that subject. Var will do you better when you’re lower bf so just stick to trt and hgh for the time being.

 

[Tbagger]

Meso is garbo. Find a better forum. I’m not allowed to say it but just search for other forums of that subject. Var will do you better when you’re lower bf so just stick to trt and hgh for the time being.

I'm just guessing my BF. My hume pod has me at 13% and the inbody has me at 14% but I think I look higher so I just guess it's around 17%.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I'm just guessing my BF. My hume pod has me at 13% and the inbody has me at 14% but I think I look higher so I just guess it's around 17%.

Not saying it is exact but at around 15% you should have top 4 abs somewhat visible. 6 pack is probably closer to 13%. Again this isn't exact but it is generally accurate for most people.

 

[Gt3294a]

Drinking black coffee is another option for liver support, as is the oral supplement TUDCA.

Very high amounts of NAC are used for Tylenol overdose, but that can increase hematocrit levels. For drug-induced liver injury with Anavar, I used both NAC and glutathione, as well as black coffee and TUDCA and some milk thistle. But they did not seem to help much since it took several months for my liver enzymes to be normal again.

This is very true. Reta and tudca made my liver markers even under stress so much better than the past.

 

[Gt3294a]

At the very least, eat some/more avocados to help with your HDL that will only go down.

The best advice for newbies is to do even more reading than you think is necessary, since you don't know what you don't know. Like it takes a lot of reading at Meso to realize the very different opinions there, like using statins proactively (which is hard to do on oral steroids due to liver concerns).

And even doctors may not test as frequently as would be ideal, especially if they don't know everything you are running.

For steroid use outside of bodybuilding competitions, anything you want to cycle is arguably better as a cruise (as with TRT) or to just skip it completely. And if you need more of a boost, more test is best, or something else like HCG, rather than less natural orals, mast, primo, etc.

In other words, to maintain gains and health, it's better to cruise than to cycle. A lot of newbies get distracted with orals, cycles, and stacks (and vendor pricelists) compared to the guys who are "dialed in," cruising just on test (even at 200 to 350 mg/week, with EOD subq dosing seeming safer with more stable levels or using test-u).

The other newbie mistake, as I mentioned before, is to think normal lab results are good enough harm reduction for steroid use (outside of TRT for normal or high-normal testosterone). Not to mention having other blood tests done like Lp(a), which gives some hint about genetic risk. But a CT calcium scoring would be better, especially with a significant history of obesity, like even mild obesity for a decade. (Doing another CT instead called CCTA would be the gold standard since it shows soft plaque too.)

The other irony is that is it very illegal to prescribe HGH off-label, but a provider can prescribe Anavar and harsher orals for anything. It doesn't make any sense, but that is the legal situation here, even though significant use of Anavar and especially Anadrol (which was discontinued) can cause blood-filled cysts on the liver (which is another reason that imaging is ideal, along with labs, for repeating cycles).

OP - this is a good read. Var always hit lipid profile hard for me. I always thought of something to dry out the last 6 weeks of a cycle. Never really something fundamental to a cycle. I would think the cost benefit analysis of that or more test, would just say more test. But hey, I though low dose deca with TRT do those over 45 would be common by now, and it’s not quite yet.

 

[Tbagger]

Not saying it is exact but at around 15% you should have top 4 abs somewhat visible. 6 pack is probably closer to 13%. Again this isn't exact but it is generally accurate for most people.

My abs are all visible but not that tight defined 6 pack that I usually associate with low BF. Also, dysmorphia probably plays a role in my perception of my composition. I've been fat my whole life and still see it when I look in the mirror. Everyone tells me that I'm jacked and fit but I still see the fat ass I have always been. Once in a while I catch a glimpse of a fit person when I look at the mirror, but it's usually short lived.

 

[GTS97]

My abs are all visible but not that tight defined 6 pack that I usually associate with low BF. Also, dysmorphia probably plays a role in my perception of my composition. I've been fat my whole life and still see it when I look in the mirror. Everyone tells me that I'm jacked and fit but I still see the fat ass I have always been. Once in a while I catch a glimpse of a fit person when I look at the mirror, but it's usually short lived.

Man I feel that one hard. I always see myself different than I am too. I love how I look in the gym, when my muscles are full and pumped. When I’m home I definitely “see” myself differently.

Funny you say once in a while you’ll catch a different glimpse, because there’s been quite a few times when I go for a piss in the middle of the night I’ll catch a glimpse of myself in the mirror and I think, “Damn! I look buff!”

 

[Jack brown]

Can anyone explain how American doctors are allowed to prescribe literal oxandrolone?

If you are concerned about risks you can look up the trials where they treat burn victims with 20mg per day for years with no obvious permanent issues.

 

[Calm Logic]

FDA Black Box for Anavar, including reports of fatal malignant liver tumors, and warnings for fatal liver failure as well as atherosclerosis and coronary artery disease:

 

[Tbagger]

Can anyone explain how American doctors are allowed to prescribe literal oxandrolone?

If you are concerned about risks you can look up the trials where they treat burn victims with 20mg per day for years with no obvious permanent issues.

Pretty much as long as it’s not on the FDA black list, doctors can write a script for it. There’s a few exceptions that they regulate closely, like opioids and HGH. But most medications can be prescribed ”off label” which allows compounding pharmacies to fill them.

 

[Calm Logic]

And you need a compounding pharmacy in this case since the FDA took oxandrolone (aka Anavar) off the market three years ago:

Oxandrolone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In June 2023, the FDA formally withdrew approval for oxandrolone for all indications, stating that possible adverse effects of the drug were sufficiently serious to warrant removal from the US market . The FDA decision was for reasons of safety or effectiveness, following a 2019 letter from Gemini, a drug manufacturer, stating that the product was no longer being marketed.

If you had no choice but to take Anavar, you would still want liver imaging, CCTA imaging, etc., which is not cheap, along with injections of Repatha. Like the FDA warning says, one can appear clinically healthy despite structural changes to the liver.

 

[Bellypearl]

Ahh yes, kind of like we lie to our doctors about our peptide and GLP1 use, yet they too, do wonders for our bloodwork and lab results.....On paper of course!

I don't want to tell my doc about all the peptides I use, I can't see her face fall and look worried...

 

[Tbagger]

I tell my both my direct payer clinic NP and my normal PCP about everything I'm doing. I don't need their assistance to get any type of drug or peptide I could ever want but I do want them kept in the loop in case something happens. If they have a problem with what I'm doing to the point of it affecting our working relationship, I can always replace them. I let them know that as well lol. We give them too much control over our health.

 

[Superchicken1]

Can anyone explain how American doctors are allowed to prescribe literal oxandrolone?

Typically private clinics, (online or in person), that don’t accept insurance, many of which have a larger client base of testosterone users that don’t necessarily meet the criteria for clinical hypogonadism. It’s unavailable through traditional pharmacies and has to be done through a compounding pharmacy. Standard medical professionals tend to view these places as nothing but legal steroid abuse.

Eta: none of this has any reflection of my opinion on the op’s doings.

 

[d0se1]

I'm on TRT as well. 200mg a week split in two doses. I use 25mg of Anavar pre workout only. So, 3 to 4 days a week. I also take it sublingually to prevent any liver toxicity. Anavar is one of the most researched AAS and is very mild on the body in low dose's and has a short half-life.

 

[slick1]

FDA Black Box for Anavar, including reports of fatal malignant liver tumors, and warnings for fatal liver failure as well as atherosclerosis and coronary artery disease:

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WTF....talk about fearmongering!

 

[Calm Logic]

WTF....talk about fearmongering!

Talk about stupid, taking oral steroids.

If Anavar is so safe, no need for ultrasounds of the liver? At any point in time?

 

[slick1]

Talk about stupid, taking oral steroids.

If Anavar is so safe, no need for ultrasounds of the liver? At any point in time?

If society were to apply your mentality to using meds that were FDA approved for almost 60 yrs, then everyone who has used tylenol better get a liver scan.....AI fearmonger!

 

[Calm Logic]

"Science is a candle in the dark."

~ Carl Sagan

The opposite is true for bro science. It's the dominant perspective in this subforum and at Meso.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

"Bro science is 50% fact, 50% magic, and 100% results."

- Dom Mazzetti-