Tesa vs CJC/ipa VS Tesa/ipa someone have tested the 3 combo?

[Itankstuff]

LOL, I'd be wondering if their machine might be out of calibration or something else might be wrong there. I'd assume those results are estimated by measuring your respiratory quotient. Seems less likely that your body is metabolising 100% fat and 0% carbohydrate and more likely that their machine is screwed up.

The test has to be performed in a fasted state and 80% is optimal and given I had not had anything to eat in 12 hours it doesn't seem too far fetched. The place I had mine done also does the testing for professional teams for AFL (Australian sport kinda like the NFL I guess) so I trust their calibration.

The technician monitors your respiratory effort to ensure you have normal tidal volume and respiratory rate to normalise the results. You also have to do it three seperate times.

 

[tubby]

The test has to be performed in a fasted state and 80% is optimal and given I had not had anything to eat in 12 hours it doesn't seem too far fetched. The place I had mine done also does the testing for professional teams for AFL (Australian sport kinda like the NFL I guess) so I trust their calibration.

The technician monitors your respiratory effort to ensure you have normal tidal volume and respiratory rate to normalise the results. You also have to do it three seperate times.

The result (as you note) is saying that after a 12 hour fast you're primarily burning fat. Obviously 100% fat burning is a nonsense idea. At 12 hours faster, you've still got some glycogen in your liver and there's probably still going to be some deamination happening.

 

[Rickcaps]

I agree we have a lot of glycogen. Like for example, depending on the body composition it takes up to 3 days to get fat adapted (switch to a keto diet).

On a side note I heard of a dosing protocol which said 2mg of tesa, 200mcg of cjc without dad and 200mcg of ipa before bed followed by 200mcg of ipa in the morning. This was deemed as the perfect fat loss protocol.

I don't know if anyone tried it and what the results were like.

The result (as you note) is saying that after a 12 hour fast you're primarily burning fat. Obviously 100% fat burning is a nonsense idea. At 12 hours faster, you've still got some glycogen in your liver and there's probably still going to be some deamination happening.

 

[tubby]

I agree we have a lot of glycogen. Like for example, depending on the body composition it takes up to 3 days to get fat adapted (switch to a keto diet).

On a side note I heard of a dosing protocol which said 2mg of tesa, 200mcg of cjc without dad and 200mcg of ipa before bed followed by 200mcg of ipa in the morning. This was deemed as the perfect fat loss protocol.

I don't know if anyone tried it and what the results were like.

I mean I'd expect most people to lose fat on such an approach, with the unknown being if juicing GH production in such a manner might lead to other consequences longer-term. Presumably (similar to GLPs), if someone stopped that dosing after a while, they would trend towards regaining the previous weight they lost, assuming their lifestyle stayed constant.

I suspect the reason nobody has run a trial on that is because there wasn't a clever indirect way of getting there. You'll recall with GLPs, they were initially approved under the guise of "diabetes treatment" (which they're highly effective at) and industry pretended that weight loss was a "surprising" side effect. When the diabetics weren't dropping dead or facing different sorts of disaster after years on GLPs, it seemed sensible to run trials on a healthier population. With GH secretagogues, even if they proved safe enough for weight loss purposes in a general population, it would be much harder for pharma to monetize as it would have to compete with GH in general.

 

[RadicalCrimson]

I found this online, I don't know if this has any validity.

Note that this is CJC with DAC.

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[RadicalCrimson]

On a side note I heard of a dosing protocol which said 2mg of tesa, 200mcg of cjc without dad and 200mcg of ipa before bed followed by 200mcg of ipa in the morning. This was deemed as the perfect fat loss protocol.

My plan is to run Tesa+Ipa for a month or so, and then check my IGF-1 Z-score.

If it's less than 2, I'll consider adding CJC this way.

I started at 0.7.

 

[tubby]

I do find myself wondering if there's a strong case to be made for stacking a GHRH with ipamorelin. I know it's commonly done and seems to be standard practice, but is it delivering a superior result (VS a higher dosage of the same GHRH alone)? If one were paying retail for sermorelin or tesamorelin, it would be a no-brainer from a cost standpoint, but when everything is relatively cheap does that change the analysis?

Guessing based off very limited information I would think it smooths things out over a longer period of time (vs a larger sudden dosing), but then you're also fiddling with one more pathway with its own potential risk and side effect profile to get that result.

 

[Rickcaps]

My plan is to run Tesa+Ipa for a month or so, and then check my IGF-1 Z-score.

If it's less than 2, I'll consider adding CJC this way.

I started at 0.7.

What's the process of checking the score? Do we have any devices or a proper blood test is needed?

 

[pilsnermagnus]

What's the process of checking the score? Do we have any devices or a proper blood test is needed?

You get an IGF1 test. Some labs will include the precalculated z-score Lab Corp did not for me. I found the calculation and a table it would be based on, z-score is just s statistical calculation based on your measurements against a population.

I can’t post a link yet or I would share a calculator. If you search “igf1 sds app” you should find the web app calculator on biodaas gaslini.

 

[RadicalCrimson]

You get an IGF1 test. Some labs will include the precalculated z-score Lab Corp did not for me. I found the calculation and a table it would be based on, z-score is just s statistical calculation based on your measurements against a population.

I can’t post a link yet or I would share a calculator. If you search “igf1 sds app” you should find the web app calculator on biodaas gaslini.

That site reports 1.7 for me (both methods), but my lab report clearly states +0.7.

Z SCORE (MALE) 0.7 -2.0 - +2.0 SD

 

[pilsnermagnus]

That site reports 1.7 for me (both methods), but my lab report clearly states +0.7.

Z SCORE (MALE) 0.7 -2.0 - +2.0 SD

For the sake of comparison.

My Igf1 was 215ng/dl I am early 40s. That calculator put me at 1.8 I believe.