SS-31 + MOTs-C vs NAD+

[UKhopefull]

I have just finished a cycle of Motsc the first 2 pins caused massive welts either side of my belly and itched for days. I still have a dark spot on both sites. I increased the bac water to 2ml for 10mg mots and taking a antihistamine first plus I held a frozen pack against the i.s. for a few mins. and this helped to avoid any more welts. I have had no reaction to reta bpc or the Nad I am currently on.

 

[Chili777]

10 mg? I would have been bouncing off the walls.

 

[Nopenada]

Based on the standard protocol, is my math right? Asking before I pull out the crypto wallet.

4 × 50 mg vials for SS-31 (200 mg total), 3 × 40 mg vials for MOTS-c (120 mg total), 23 × 100 mg vials for NAD+ (2,300 mg total).

 

[Chili777]

Looks right. Did you add this up if you're doing the entire protocol? You'll have a bit left over

 

[CNCCurrency]

Looks right. Did you add this up if you're doing the entire protocol? You'll have a bit left over

Who designed this cycle? Is it based on research? Or a youtube bro? Just curious

 

[Twowheelr2]

Based on the standard protocol, is my math right? Asking before I pull out the crypto wallet.

4 × 50 mg vials for SS-31 (200 mg total), 3 × 40 mg vials for MOTS-c (120 mg total), 23 × 100 mg vials for NAD+ (2,300 mg total).

This is what’s needed if following exactly. I’m on the last week. I am older and from everything I’ve been reading, I think the people who are older than 50 or 60 benefit more than younger folks with healthy mitochondria. I have had more physical and mental energy throughout.

 

[Twowheelr2]

Based on the standard protocol, is my math right? Asking before I pull out the crypto wallet.

4 × 50 mg vials for SS-31 (200 mg total), 3 × 40 mg vials for MOTS-c (120 mg total), 23 × 100 mg vials for NAD+ (2,300 mg total).

This is the protocol I’m on. The SS-31 cycle is 6 weeks daily at 4mg per. Weeks 13 and 14 not depicted,, but the same as 10, 11, 12

 

[Twowheelr2]

Based on the standard protocol, is my math right? Asking before I pull out the crypto wallet.

4 × 50 mg vials for SS-31 (200 mg total), 3 × 40 mg vials for MOTS-c (120 mg total), 23 × 100 mg vials for NAD+ (2,300 mg total).

If you haven’t bought yet, look for NAD+ in 500mg vials

 

[Twowheelr2]

Who designed this cycle? Is it based on research? Or a youtube bro? Just curious

 

[CNCCurrency]

Interesting that some references are mentioned but I don't see an author of this protocol? Did I miss it? None of the references mention this protocol either, so it could be based off a wellness clinic and no research that this protocol is factual

 

[Nopenada]

Interesting that some references are mentioned but I don't see an author of this protocol? Did I miss it? None of the references mention this protocol either, so it could be based off a wellness clinic and no research that this protocol is factual

I’ve seen a few people on Reddit mentioning they’ve done the protocol and liked it. I figure this is all research anyway, but to your point it would at least be great to have more details as to why this protocol instead of some other.

 

[Chili777]

I’ve seen a few people on Reddit mentioning they’ve done the protocol and liked it. I figure this is all research anyway, but to your point it would at least be great to have more details as to why this protocol instead of some other.

The text and supporting studies in the full 14-week document provide the rationale for the dosage and duration. But all of the studies were done on rats, so...

 

[Twowheelr2]

I’ve got my final NAD+ dose tomorrow, then the final MOTSc Thursday. The lab rat research subject is impressed with the experience. More energy was noticed durning the SS-31 and NAD+ phase. It was a clean feeling of a boost in both mental and physical endurance. the RS never tried to talk its way out of a task. Now to monitor energy levels for the next couple of weeks. Hope it doesn’t drop to noticeably .

 

[IronPaw.]

L-theanine is the only thing that messed up my sleep recently. I had very vivid dreams that woke me up and left me with anxiety. The strange thing is, I learned to use it to calm down the jitters from the caffeine in my pre-workout.

I use 'Non-stim' pre-workout (caffeine free)

 

[trojanpeptide]

u guys think skipping weekends on that protocol is ok? I'm using 5mg ss31 but on a 5/2 schedule.

 

[PAPoots]

I use 'Non-stim' pre-workout (caffeine free)

I like to use the Gorilla non stim pre-workout if my workout is going to be later than noon.

 

[tendency]

I’ve got my final NAD+ dose tomorrow, then the final MOTSc Thursday. The lab rat research subject is impressed with the experience. More energy was noticed durning the SS-31 and NAD+ phase. It was a clean feeling of a boost in both mental and physical endurance. the RS never tried to talk its way out of a task. Now to monitor energy levels for the next couple of weeks. Hope it doesn’t drop to noticeably .

Curious as to why stop the NAD+? I know these protocols typically say to cycle it .. but, why? People taking the NR/NMN pre-cursors do not cycle.

 

[tendency]

Who designed this cycle? Is it based on research? Or a youtube bro? Just curious

As far as I can tell it's just .. folklore

 

[Chili777]

As far as I can tell it's just .. folklore

You mean this SS/31/Mots-C/NAD+ protocol? [archived internal link]

It's real, it's just extrapolated from studies that were done in vitro (rats) and adjusted for humans. I'm doing it just like it says and I'm in week 3 of Mots-C.

 

[tendency]

You mean this SS/31/Mots-C/NAD+ protocol? [archived internal link]

It's real, it's just extrapolated from studies that were done in vitro (rats) and adjusted for humans. I'm doing it just like it says and I'm in week 3 of Mots-C.

Yeah I get that there were some very limited rat studies but again, this is hardly definitive science and was done (to my understanding) as a small limited duration study to see if additional study was warranted.

From this people seem to be making large, far reaching assumptions about the need to cycle these substances, doses, etc. which is not born out by any science I'm aware of.

The particular study you referenced is passed along like it's some sort of grail doctrine on these boards that almost everyone is now using as the gold standard reference.

I get we need to start somewhere but when people keep referencing this as the reason for their protocol choices I'm left scratching my head.