someone is pissed about their zepbound copay

[Sunflower]

the U.S. government hunt down and kill lots of people who do bad things. is it murder?

i mean don't you watch Navy Seals or Lioness?

Yes, it’s murder, but remember: just bc we are told they did “bad things” doesn’t mean it’s true. It’s a narrative created by anyone’s government to perpetuate support for their agenda to amass power and wealth. Also, thousands of non-militants are getting murdered by the US and Israeli militaries.

Unfortunately, it has become impossible for anyone to join the military and not contribute to violent oppression. Same with health insurance careers.

 

[brentm]

Saying this in the forum devoted to people who can't afford life saving medication due to the actions and greed of men like Brian Thompson is deliciously ironic.

Keep on licking that boot.

This forum is devoted to people who "can't afford life saving medication"? Are we all just 'poors'?

I can comfortably afford retail prices for peptides. It doesn't mean I'll pay them and not think twice. I think many of us on the forum who have had some time to accumulate wealth can afford them.

Here you are in another forum thread justifying murder and calling everyone on this forum poor. Nice look.

 

[penewbie]

This forum is devoted to people who "can't afford life saving medication"? Are we all just 'poors'?

I can comfortably afford retail prices for peptides. It doesn't mean I'll pay them and not think twice. I think many of us on the forum who have had some time to accumulate wealth can afford them.

Here you are in another forum thread justifying murder and calling everyone on this forum poor. Nice look.

It's nice for you to be able to afford the $500-1000 a month this medication costs, I'm happy for you. Don't have to rub it in everyone's faces but I digress.

I can't afford it.

I am part of the poors.

Not ashamed of it either.

I'm also not sad that Brian Thompson was killed. Not ashamed of that either.

I find it hilarious that 20 minutes after you wrote "I'm done responding to you" in another thread, you went to find me in this thread.

lol

 

[brentm]

It's nice for you to be able to afford the $500-1000 a month this medication costs, I'm happy for you. Don't have to rub it in everyone's faces but I digress.

I can't afford it.

I am part of the poors.

Not ashamed of it either.

I'm also not sad that Brian Thompson was killed. Not ashamed of that either.

I find it hilarious that 20 minutes after you wrote "I'm done responding to you" in another thread, you went to find me in this thread.

lol

Maybe spend less time trolling on the Internet, and put that energy into a side hustle and you'll be in a better financial position someday.

1 in 12 Americans are millionaires. You do the math. Not all of us are broke. And you can't spend yourself rich.

No one asked if you were sad about Brian Thompson. Justifying murder is just wrong. Insane. Bonkers.

 

[penewbie]

Maybe spend less time trolling on the Internet, and put that energy into a side hustle and you'll be in a better financial position someday.

1 in 12 Americans are millionaires. You do the math. Not all of us are broke. And you can't spend yourself rich.

No one asked if you were sad about Brian Thompson. Justifying murder is just wrong. Insane. Bonkers.

Arrogant, smug, and a bootlicker.

Well these traits do tend to go hand in hand.

You really couldn't contain yourself after promising not to respond to me in the other thread. Gotta laugh at that. No self control.

 

[brentm]

You really couldn't contain yourself after promising not to respond to me in the other thread. Gotta laugh at that. No self control.

Typical troll response.

My intention was to stop responding to you in that thread. Which I've done.

Keep laughing troll.

 

[penewbie]

Typical troll response.

My intention was to stop responding to you in that thread. Which I've done.

Keep laughing troll.

Yes, you've done it, you've stopped responding to me in that thread, only to then immediately go out and find another thread to respond to me in.

I will continue laughing at you. You make it easy.

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

it's something i can't help. but when i see a scumbag get shot i get really happy and even pee myself.

just a little bit. this guy also did insider trading. a 360 degree scumbag

there are some really good scenes in Lioness where a helicopter wipes out hundreds of cartel in a few seconds. i have to wear a diaper.

 

[keangkong]

it's something i can't help. but when i see a scumbag get shot i get really happy and even pee myself.

just a little bit. this guy also did insider trading. a 360 degree scumbag

there are some really good scenes in Lioness where a helicopter wipes out hundreds of cartel in a few seconds. i have to wear a diaper.

Yes, anyone one believes another is a scumbag, then it's okay to kill the scumbag. What could go wrong?

 

[chmuse]

Yes, anyone one believes another is a scumbag, then it's okay to kill the scumbag. What could go wrong?

Oyster didn't kill the dude, as far as I know. He just finds it funny that an immoral millionaire asshole got taken out. It's not like mourning him will bring him back.

 

[keangkong]

Oyster didn't kill the dude, as far as I know. He just finds it funny that an immoral millionaire asshole got taken out. It's not like mourning him will bring him back.

I haven't accused Oyster of killing anyone. (I suspect he is responsible for the deaths of at least a few oysters, but that's okay with me.) When people think the way to right wrongs is violence when there are other alternatives, such as political means, to accomplish the same things, that's a real problem.

 

[chmuse]

I haven't accused Oyster of killing anyone. (I suspect he is responsible for the deaths of at least a few oysters, but that's okay with me.) When people think the way to right wrongs is violence when there are other alternatives, such as political means, to accomplish the same things, that's a real problem.

I know you didn't accuse him of killing anyone. I don't want to put words in his mouth, so this is only my opinion:

There's a difference between thinking violence is the way to right a wrong, and not having sympathy for the guy who was murdered. I don't believe in the death penalty, I don't think the right thing to do was to kill him. I'm also not upset by his death. You know what I mean? I think it was a bit of poetic justice; the way he ran the company led to the deaths of a lot of people. The right thing to do isn't to seek revenge, but it's a very human thing to want to.

But we don't know his motivations- maybe he was just crazy. We won't know more for a while. I'm not wasting any tears over it though.

Edit: My point is, feelings aren't immoral. Actions are.

 

[hexagonal]

Gross. A man was shot in the back and murdered. Anyone who thinks Luigi is a hero is delusional.

I don't think he's a hero, but I'm also not going to have a single shred of sympathy for this UHC CEO.

1) The insurance industry is a big aspect of why healthcare is unaffordable for so many in America, and UHC is bad even by industry standards. Double the industry average on denied claims

2) The CEO specifically came up through their Medicare Advantage program, and Medicare Advantage is probably the scummiest form of health insurance on the planet. Basically all of them prey on elderly people, cold calling them and trying to trick them into thinking they have to switch off their regular medicare to an advantage plan, often resulting in hugely increased costs and decreased coverage for them. UHC in specific has also been found to be scamming medicare in multiple cases as well.

3) UHC was being investigated by the DOJ, and had known it since last October. In February, shortly before the investigation was going to be announced publicly, he sold $15m in shares, outside of his company trading window, and without going through their exception process. There is no question in my mind the timing of the sale was to maximize his own personal profit before the investigation caused the share price to drop.

This man screwed over everyday people with his top-down policies to maximize denials. He screwed over the elderly in particular with medicare advantage. He screwed over the government, and thus all taxpayers. He screwed over everyone that had UHC in their portfolio, be it a regular person with it held as part of an index fund as part of their 401k or the investor class actively investing large quantities of money.

There's basically not a single portion of society that this guy wasn't cheating, and often in a way that had a direct influence on their quality of life and even length of life.

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

where is the insurance commission? aren't ins companies supposed to have at least a little oversight?

what keeps them from denying 100% of claims and make everyone go to court.

probably another thread.

 

[brentm]

The topic of murder justification is an interesting one.

One case that comes to mind was Gary Plauche. Plauche murdered Jeffrey Doucet for the molestation of his child.

Graphic warning: NSFW

Gary didn't receive any prison time for this. 5 years probation and 300 hours of community service was about the extent of it.

However, when it comes to the case of justifying murder of a CEO. I just can't get there from here.

Gary Plauche's case I struggle with as a father. In some ways I think it was absolutely justified. Others, I still struggle. Put in that position, would I do the same? I can't say.

 

[chmuse]

The topic of murder justification is an interesting one.

One case that comes to mind was Gary Plauche. Plauche murdered Jeffrey Doucet for the molestation of his child.

Graphic warning: NSFW

Gary didn't receive any prison time for this. 5 years probation and 300 hours of community service was about the extent of it.

However, when it comes to the case of justifying murder of a CEO. I just can't get there from here.

Gary Plauche's case I struggle with as a father. In some ways I think it was absolutely justified. Others, I still struggle. Put in that position, would I do the same? I can't say.

See, I see them as the same, and was thinking of the same case when I wrote my comment.

Is denying medical care to people who paid their premiums moral? He indirectly led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people by virtue of running the company the way he did. His inaction on fixing their faulty algorithm. His cutthroat practices. How much care was denied based on their series of criteria, rather than the expertise of the actual medical providers? If you ever hang out around doctors, they're very, very opinionated on the qualifications of the people they speak to on peer-to-peers. Non doctors, or doctors of the wrong specialty, or doctors with so many med-mal cases against them they can't work in their field anymore, making decisions out of their scope of practice for patients they've never examined.

Is knowingly but indirectly leading to the deaths of that many people somehow less bad than a man who did that to a child? I can't tell you which I think is worse. That's a difficult question.

The CEO, in essence, became a symbol of all of those things. I don't know Luigi's motivations. But I do know that if my nephew, who needed three surgeries in the first month of his life, died because his parents insurance denied care? My brother would be looking for someone to take that out on. I can't say it's right, I'm just saying there is very much the possibility that someone had a human reaction to a deeply unfair situation, of which the CEO became a symbol of UHC, because you can't shoot a company.

I just think it's a lot more nuanced than 'oh my God, a person DIED' and that laughing at someone with his moral caliber isn't somehow immoral if you're not the one who pulled the trigger. None of us did that. As far as I know. But he was an evil man- it's not like his family is coming out on the news crying saying how much he meant to them.

 

[Glp1judd]

Maybe spend less time trolling on the Internet, and put that energy into a side hustle and you'll be in a better financial position someday.

1 in 12 Americans are millionaires. You do the math. Not all of us are broke. And you can't spend yourself rich.

No one asked if you were sad about Brian Thompson. Justifying murder is just wrong. Insane. Bonkers.

While $1million is above most, its hardly wealthy. One million is barely enough to retire, raise a child, or weather an illness in 2025.

As for the 88% of people who don’t have that much saved or the approx 60% with less than 6 months expenses saved - truly fucked.

Edited: that stat seemed highly suspect so I looked it up. It’s inaccurate.

12% of HOUSEHOLDS have a net worth of over a million. So that million is actually spread out among 3.2 persons, or 1.8 adults.

Summary: it’s long past time that Americans rise up and take the real wealth back from the obscenely wealthy - and a million isn’t wealthy.

 

[brentm]

While $1million is above most, its hardly wealthy. One million is barely enough to retire, raise a child, or weather an illness in 2025.

12% of HOUSEHOLDS have a net worth of over a million. So that million is actually spread out among 3.2 persons, or 1.8 adults.

Summary: it’s long past time that Americans rise up and take the real wealth back from the obscenely wealthy - and a million isn’t wealthy.

Perhaps it is more accurate to state that 1 in 8 are millionaires.

I never defined "wealthy" or stated that 1M USD net worth equates to wealthy status. Wealthy is a subjective term. I simply stated that 1 in 12 are millionaires. Which more accurately is 1 in 8.33 if the percentage is 12%. I'm just repeating a stat I heard from what I considered a reliable source.

Regardless of your battle cries to take back this "real wealth" from the obscenely wealthy. The real solution to improve your situation is to become more skilled or work longer hours. A side hustle can turn into a primary source of income if you work hard and smart enough.

It is tiring watching the current generation with a generally poor work ethic think that the world owes them something. The world doesn't owe you a dime.

 

[Vicki]

It's nice for you to be able to afford the $500-1000 a month this medication costs, I'm happy for you. Don't have to rub it in everyone's faces but I digress.

I can't afford it.

I am part of the poors.

Not ashamed of it either.

I'm also not sad that Brian Thompson was killed. Not ashamed of that either.

I find it hilarious that 20 minutes after you wrote "I'm done responding to you" in another thread, you went to find me in this thread.

lol

I can afford it too. I just hate feeling like I'm being scammed.

 

[Vacation4us]

Yes, it’s murder, but remember: just bc we are told they did “bad things” doesn’t mean it’s true. It’s a narrative created by anyone’s government to perpetuate support for their agenda to amass power and wealth. Also, thousands of non-militants are getting murdered by the US and Israeli militaries.

Unfortunately, it has become impossible for anyone to join the military and not contribute to violent oppression. Same with health insurance careers.

Yeah you call Israel the murders here and I am 100% sure who you are. One sick twisted f***.